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- Wed May 29, 2024 12:15 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
- Replies: 956
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Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
Well, as it happens, the post you’ve replied to is one which summarises the strong evidence that it is in fact PIE-native. I strongly recommend reading Fenwick’s papers here and here — they’re quite thoroughly interesting, and very well-worked-out. Not exactly. On the first hand, the Hittite and In...
- Tue May 28, 2024 4:06 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Resources Thread
- Replies: 99
- Views: 70710
Re: Resources Thread
Alright, disregard that question. Is anyone aware of some paper that discusses the potential grammaticalisation of French verbal clitics to morphemes? Um, French verbal clitics are already morphemes, and always have been…! Really? I thought they were still clitics. So what are some papers that disc...
- Tue May 28, 2024 3:58 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Resources Thread
- Replies: 99
- Views: 70710
Re: Resources Thread
Alright, disregard that question.
Is anyone aware of some paper that discusses the potential grammaticalisation of French verbal clitics to morphemes?
Is anyone aware of some paper that discusses the potential grammaticalisation of French verbal clitics to morphemes?
- Tue May 28, 2024 3:16 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Resources Thread
- Replies: 99
- Views: 70710
Re: Resources Thread
Discussion of polysynthetic tendencies in French - is anyone aware of some other paper on the same subject, which does something more than a passing mention that je and the like are clitics?
- Tue May 28, 2024 3:14 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
- Replies: 956
- Views: 1085933
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
Do you think there's still artifacts bearing evidence of historical Indo-European languages waiting to be found which can improve our reconstructions, or is it more likely that we have everything we'll ever get and the best we can hope for is philologists finding specks of gold in their pans? I soo...
- Thu May 23, 2024 10:39 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4731
- Views: 2098903
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Got some inspiration: reflexive markers. They only refer to the subject. So if the word order in a reflexive clause is fixed to S REFL V (and reflexion is doubly marked), that could over time be interpreted as S=NOM V, after other case suffixes have appeared. Finally, the nominative enclitic would ...
- Wed May 22, 2024 3:20 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4731
- Views: 2098903
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Got some inspiration: reflexive markers. They only refer to the subject. So if the word order in a reflexive clause is fixed to S REFL V (and reflexion is doubly marked), that could over time be interpreted as S=NOM V, after other case suffixes have appeared. Finally, the nominative enclitic would b...
- Tue May 21, 2024 2:22 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4731
- Views: 2098903
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
From what can a nominative case suffix or marker develop? Esp. if there were no nominative markers so far and there's few cases to begin with. Maybe a demonstrative or an intensifier?
- Sun May 12, 2024 2:44 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
- Replies: 956
- Views: 1085933
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
What are the s-mobile variants of *h₁yaǵ-? Wiktionary lists none.
- Sat May 04, 2024 6:11 pm
- Forum: Almea
- Topic: "Experiencer"
- Replies: 40
- Views: 4969
Re: "Experiencer"
Why do you think it's not made "with the intent to change one's native language"? Because the intent to sound cool or prestigious is a different (kind of) intent than the intent to conlang. Besides, 'coolness factor' borrowings are a subset of superstratum influence, and speakers aren't a...
- Sat May 04, 2024 5:17 pm
- Forum: Almea
- Topic: "Experiencer"
- Replies: 40
- Views: 4969
Re: "Experiencer"
To me this sounds like someone saying it's a totally different thing to draw faces from life, and to draw invented characters, so we should strictly separate "natfaces" and "confaces." Except that if you say that drawing an invented character is an analogy to conlanging, then th...
- Sat May 04, 2024 4:51 pm
- Forum: Almea
- Topic: "Experiencer"
- Replies: 40
- Views: 4969
Re: "Experiencer"
People making naturalistic conlangs are, well, trying to be naturalistic. Often that means simulating natural changes. E.g. you take a word list, run it through some plausible sound changes, and see what havoc that does to your morphology. That in turn suggests changes to the syntax. All this is pr...
- Sat May 04, 2024 3:47 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Word evolution game
- Replies: 2698
- Views: 285977
Re: Word evolution game
[j] > [c] ['œcɕ] eoisc "(to a woman of higher rank than oneself) Mrs., Ms.; (with titles of office) madam; (of judges, justices) your honour" Voiceless vowels drop with compensatory lengthening of the previous segment ['ɟ͡ʝec͡çː] giecia "(to a woman of higher rank than oneself) Mrs., ...
- Sat May 04, 2024 3:43 pm
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: The Contradictory Feelings Thread
- Replies: 666
- Views: 755589
Re: The Contradictory Feelings Thread
Whaat, why miss out on that opportunity? Is there some draconian punishment if you don't show up after having confirmed?
- Sat May 04, 2024 1:58 pm
- Forum: Almea
- Topic: "Experiencer"
- Replies: 40
- Views: 4969
Re: "Experiencer"
Another point is that conlangs' grammars are created consciously and with clear intent, whereas natlangs' grammars just sort of evolve on their own. People don't intentionally fiddle with morphemes and syntax, not with the intention of how their language "should" look like a couple of gene...
- Sat May 04, 2024 1:07 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
- Replies: 956
- Views: 1085933
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
Indeed that's it! Regarding the Kartvelian form, it's discussed in another paper by the same author.
- Sat May 04, 2024 11:57 am
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: Random Thread
- Replies: 3735
- Views: 455611
Re: Random Thread
Random musing: why do we sing a song, but not drink a dronk? Make up your mind, English!
- Sat May 04, 2024 11:56 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
- Replies: 956
- Views: 1085933
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
No, pretty sure it was positted to occur only in front of *l - something with related with the phonetics (and/or phonotactics) of the sonorant cluster [ml] made it likely to change to bl. IIRC there were examples given of ml > (m)bl in other languages. If only I could find the paper, I'd cite them. ...
- Sat May 04, 2024 11:15 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
- Replies: 956
- Views: 1085933
Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
Dunno if this has been discussed already here, but PIE *Hebl- 'apple' may not be a loanword at all, and instead just be a metastethised form of *meHlom. Can't track down the paper from academia.edu I originally read that in, but the gist is that an intermediate form *Heml- underwent ml → bl. Also, a...
- Sat May 04, 2024 10:42 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4731
- Views: 2098903
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Right, begining of the Old English period , not language. It's not like the ol' Angles went to bed one night speaking Proto-Germanic and woke up the next morning speaking Old English. "English", "Old English" and "Proto-Germanic" are all labels we arbitrarily tack on a ...