Zompist Bboard Again

jal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:47 pm Dutch has phonemic length only in loans (e.g. <beige> [bE:Z@]), otherwise it's tense/lax and lengthening before r (for some vowels).

How did Dutch end up with a phonemic long vowel in beige when, from what it seems, French never had one in that word in the first place?

starting to (when pronounced like a single word)

I wonder how common trisyllabic realizations of schedule are; it is normally trisyllabic here, reflecting /ˈskɛdʒuəl/, but I have no clue how the trisyllabic pronunciation came to be (especially since /u/ normally does not undergo breaking before coda /l/ here). I am almost thinking that this could ...

I've heard a number of pronunciations for <oe> in German-derived names here in the States: /ɚ/ (Goethe, Goebbels), /ei/ (Boehner), /ɛ/ (a friend whose surname is Boecke, which she pronounces homophonous with Becky ), and a spelling pronunciation of /ou/. I would guess that the vowel in Boecke is di...

schedule: [ˈskɜːtɕuːwʊ(ː)]

Offhand I can't think of any unconditioned mergers of historically long vowels with the corresponding short vowel phonemes. Uh, wasn't THOUGHT historically long? The THOUGHT set is a bit of a mixed bag anyway. I guess "historically" wasn't the best word choice. Perhaps "etymologicall...

Kind of relevant rant: it's annoying that not all research is publicly available for free like it IMHO should be, but that could well cause a collapse of societal order since few people would be motivated to do any kind of research if they couldn't sell their findings, leading to stalling of progre...

Related question: is there a variety of English that merges THOUGHT with GOAT? Many non-native speakers do, but I've never heard of such merger in a native accent. With all the weird mergers that happen in English, this is almost surprising. Offhand I can't think of any unconditioned mergers of his...

I should note that it is traditional to pronounce StG final /ə/ in names as /i/ here (but word-internal StG /ə/ stays as /ə/).

Apparently anglophones pronounce "Goethe" with a rhotacized vowel, sometimes two. Why? Because to many rhotic Anglophones, Standard German /œ øː/ sound something like their native /ɝ/ or /ɚ/. However, here in southeastern Wisconsin the traditional pronunciation of StG /œ øː/ in names is /...

Zju wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:04 pm Is there a dialect in which ore oar or awe are all pronounced the same?

I presume any NORTH-FORCE-merged non-rhotic variety? And I'm not certain, but shouldn't ore and oar both be FORCE words anyways?

Some people here have restored /ju/, or shall I say, [i̯ʉ] or even [i̯y] in words like new and stupid through fronting and breaking of /u/ after a coronal. This would then presumably include also words like too , do , noose ? Fronting of /u/ occurs after all coronals, and breaking, with or without ...

How does this relate to the situation in NAE, which unlike English English does not appear to have undergone processes you mention? Yet at the same time almost all the <h> words here have /h/ and take a not an , aside from herb and sometimes homage (and I don't mean just the Frenchy loan-pronunciati...

I was thinking yesterday about my pronunciation of Birne , which in Standard German is something like [bɪɐ̯nə]. Since it's weird for me to have a diphthong beginning with [ɪ] I used to raise this to [ i ] or lower it to [e]. I didn't think about what I was doing until my acting teacher in Germany g...

Some people here have restored /ju/, or shall I say, [i̯ʉ] or even [i̯y] in words like new and stupid through fronting and breaking of /u/ after a coronal.

I used to pronounce velar as [ˈvɜːɰʁ̩(ː)].

fracas : [ˈfʁʷɛkɘs] isle : [a(ː)ɯ̯], carefully [ˈaːjɯ(ː)] vile : [va(ː)ɯ̯], carefully [ˈvaːjɯ(ː)] vial : [va(ː)ɯ̯], carefully [ˈvaːjɯ(ː)] I'll : [a(ː)ɤ̯] mile : [ma(ː)ɤ̯], carefully [ma(ː)ɯ̯] we'll : [wʊ(ː)], carefully [wi(ː)ɯ̯] (I should note that the [a] in [a(ː)ɯ̯] and [ˈaːjɯ(ː)] is quite fronte...

bulletin: [ˈpʊːɰɘˌtʰɘ̃(ː)(n)]~[ˈpʊːwɘˌtʰɘ̃(ː)(n)]
hall: [hɒ(ː)o̯]

* the northern Mid-Atlantic split isn't present in MD, but [æj eə] contrast before /nk ng/; so either /eə/ is marginally phonemic, /æj/ is marginally phonemic, or /nk ng/ contrast with /ŋk ŋ(g)/. What are some examples showing the contrast? I presume that normally TRAP and BATH are [eə] before /n/ ...

nightingale: [ˈnəe̯ʔŋ̍ːˌɡe(ː)ɯ̯]