Zompist Bboard Again

Speaking of English oddities, I have noticed that I actually do not have a classic weak vowel merger. While I have merged most cases of unstressed /ə ɪ/ to either [ə] or [ɘ] or syllabicizing a following consonant with a distribution such that there is no phonemic contrast between them, unstressed /...

Deaffrication spreads in Eastern-A, which gets an orthographic update ['çeəʒi̥] hyeaji Both Eastern-B and Western have terminal schwa loss with compensatory gemination if the final consonant is not already a geminate, also orthographic updates: ['hea̯ɫːə] héall ['kɔʌ̯ɖɖʐ] koëdsz Eastern-A (maybe No...

foxcatdog wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:34 pm Eastern is beginning to split into subgroups based on the reflexes of the schwa

['cʼærːi]

k'ärri

['cʼærːu]

k'ärru

What happened to the de-ejectivization?

Travis B. wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:30 pm Cluster reduction to geminates.

['cʼærːə]

k'ärda

['kʼɒrːə]

k'årda

I'm surprised I'm even able to pronounce those.

East: De-ejectivization (did I spell that right?):
['cærːə]
Remove ejectivization mark:
kärda

West: Backing of stops:
['qʼɒrːə]
"d" removed:
k'åra

zompist wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:04 pm

WarpedWartWars wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:35 pm

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:22 am What are those funny letters like ʇ or ʘ? Clicks?

Exactly--ʘ is bilabial, ʇ is dental (I think).

There is a phonology section in the grammar...

I know, I was just going off my memory from reading it yesterday or maybe the day before.

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:22 am What are those funny letters like ʇ or ʘ? Clicks?

Exactly--ʘ is labial, ʇ is dental.

Ah. Edit: wiðer looks a lot like wither ; I wonder why... According to Etymonline , wither comes from an alteration of Middle English wydderen , itself an alternation of wederen , related to to weather , and German verwittern (compare with German Wetter "weather"). Conversely, with is rel...

zompist wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:31 pm "He said that that "that" that that "that" referred to was something else entirely"

I was struggling to find a grammatical sentence with three "that"s in a row, and you just gave one with six of them!

One interesting example is "with"--it originally meant "against". I think the LCK talks about that, but I'm not sure, and if it doesn't, it might be the ALC or David Peterson's The Art of Language Invention. That's in the Conlanger's Lexipedia; for more see here, including some ...

Otto Kretschmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:25 pm Further reduction of unstressed vowels

['saːkɾədɘ]

Even further reduction of unstressed vowels:

['saːkɾədə]

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:12 pm Shortening of unstressed long vowels, and reduction of unstressed short vowels.

['saːkɾəta]

Intervocalic voicing:

['saːkɾəda]

Edit: messed up, it's fixed now.

But such a shift could happen in the future, without us seeing signs of it because there are no signs of it yet. Edit: (why is that hard to word right?) The thing is all kinds of things could happen in the future without any signs of their happening at the present, but there is no sense in predicti...

Then again, meanings can shift over time. The thing is that there is no evidence of such a shift happening at the present, and what signs there are of such a shift probably are a misinterpretation of what native speakers actually mean. Such a shift could happen sufficiently far in the future that t...

vegfarandi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:51 pm Trills become flaps.

['saːkɾataːh]

Final [h] disappears:

['saːkɾataː]

No, because they have different meanings Then again, meanings can shift over time. One interesting example is "with"--it originally meant "against". I think the LCK talks about that, but I'm not sure, and if it doesn't, it might be the ALC or David Peterson's The Art of Language...

How do I make a sound change to remove spaces?

Edit: And how do I match one of any letter without needing to make a category for all letters used?

Development of Olarrthe is suspended, probably for a few months. Maybe up to a year, though I hope not.

Words organize themselves into trochees (except for the possibility of single unaccented initial syllables and final accented syllables) and accented syllables are lengthened. [ˌʃəːwøˈneː.θɪŋ] schełłönédhinn Germans adopt schełłönédhinn but struggle with [w] and [θ]: [ˌʃəːvøˈneː.tɪŋ] schełłönédhinn

Ok what? Do you think countries change from being francophilic to germanophilic at random? I don't know if they do, except I guess in the conworld we're all developing one word of. I mainly said that because an entire paragraph isn't usually seen here explaining an orthography change. I also almost...

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