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by akam chinjir
Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:38 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4753
Views: 2262627

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Did you ever use "rubber" for erasers?
by akam chinjir
Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:47 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Sinitic Thread
Replies: 49
Views: 40444

Re: The Sinitic Thread

But when the tests work... So even when both "verbs" and "adjectives" can stand alone as predicates, form relative clauses or become attributive with 的 b de /b But, as I said, not all Mandarin adjectives can stand alone as predicates, and many get a comparative sense when they do...
by akam chinjir
Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:53 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Sinitic Thread
Replies: 49
Views: 40444

Re: The Sinitic Thread

There isn't really a whole lot to report so far, other than a reminder that Mandarin (all of Sinitic? can anybody who knows Canto chime in?) adjectives are really just stative verbs. There are, afaik, virtually no real tests to distinguish the two that aren't strongly contrived. There remains an im...
by akam chinjir
Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:23 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 1782
Views: 4967460

Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

Xwtek wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:41 am I wonder how do you pronounce my profile name. I pronounce it: [xʷtɛ̀k]
Exactly as I clicked on the thread to check your comment, I wondered if it was supposed to be something like [xɯ.tek].
by akam chinjir
Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:10 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4753
Views: 2262627

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Yeah, that's the sort of phonetic background I'm thinking of. Do you think it could make a difference that those are cases where it's an alveolar that's getting retroflexed? Which is to say, they're apical → apical. (Assuming I've got RUKI right.) (Possibly relevant: Mandarin, which does about this,...
by akam chinjir
Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:16 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4753
Views: 2262627

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Is vowel-conditioned retroflex~palatal allomorphy something lots of languages do, or am I too much under the influence of Mandarin? (You might prefer to say "postalveolar" or something rather than "palatal"; however you think of ɕ . E.g., maybe you'd have ɕi and ʂu , but not ɕu o...
by akam chinjir
Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:14 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: If natlangs were conlangs
Replies: 584
Views: 513675

Re: If natlangs were conlangs

That's fair.
by akam chinjir
Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:49 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: If natlangs were conlangs
Replies: 584
Views: 513675

Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Interesting! Looking into this a bit further, it seems that Niger-Congo consists of Atlantic-Congo (which comprises the vast majority of languages in it) plus Dogon, Mande, Ijoid, Kordofanian and a few others. Wikipedia and Glottolog both imply that Atlantic-Congo is fairly widely accepted, which w...
by akam chinjir
Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:40 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1333
Views: 841775

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Thank you!
by akam chinjir
Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:38 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1333
Views: 841775

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

Does nʷ → n̪, tʷ → t̪, sʷ → s̪ → θ make any kind of sense?`
by akam chinjir
Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:21 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Akam's scratchpad (two speedlangs)
Replies: 30
Views: 21164

Re: Akam's scratchpad (currently maybe Nðɑħɑɑ̯)

I seem to like Nðaḥaa enough that it might be a while before I have it sorted out enough for more posting, so much for a little sketch. One thing is that I'm fairly set on having most noun and verb stems include nominalising and verbalising morphology, the nominalisers specifying gender and the verb...
by akam chinjir
Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:49 am
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: Confusing headlines
Replies: 708
Views: 565310

Re: Confusing headlines

by akam chinjir
Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:11 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4753
Views: 2262627

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Some more checking. The Bowern grammar of Bardi doesn't hint at what those might be. j̪ appears to be a laminodental approximant in the Pama-Nyungan languages I was able to check (e.g., in Blevins's grammar of Nhanda). The wikipedia page on alveolar approximants has a bunch of false positives, and I...
by akam chinjir
Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:50 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1333
Views: 841775

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

If the question was about my suggestion, the suggestion didn't really involve tone. The idea was that if lower pitch is one of the phonetic cues to voicing, then if something else results in lower pitch, then that could be misinterpreted as a voicing cue. Or something like that, not really sure how ...
by akam chinjir
Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:55 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Shortest words for complex concepts
Replies: 51
Views: 47655

Re: Shortest words for complex concepts

You can get 加拿大 abbreviated too, at least in 加幣 (Canadian dollar). I'm pretty sure I've also seen it in a shop name or something like that.
by akam chinjir
Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:52 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4753
Views: 2262627

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Those first few examples break my IPA. But will risk checking further.

Checking Xumi quickly finds that /ʐɹ̩ / is a possible syllable (RPlɐ-ʐɹ sleep; RP is a "right-prominent" tonal melody). (Chirkova et al, Upper Xumi.)
by akam chinjir
Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:27 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1333
Views: 841775

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

I wonder if it could be a factor that pharyngeal consonants, like voiced consonants in general, tend to lower pitch on neighbouring vowels. Maybe that could lead to the cluster as a whole being heard as voiced? ...If at the same time aspirated plosives tend to raise pitch, you could also see how the...
by akam chinjir
Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:15 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4753
Views: 2262627

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Are there languages with 'plain' apical alveolar approximants? I mean without retroflexion or pharyngealisation/uvularisation/bunching or rounding. Update . I shouldn't have posted without checking at least the obvious. PHOIBLE has just one language contrasting ɹ and ɻ ; the Reichard grammar indicat...
by akam chinjir
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:30 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 3069
Views: 2939913

Re: Conlang Random Thread

TurkeySloth wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:39 am Though, please be careful when you separate phonemes or phones with a tilde because it, actually, symbolizes free variation, which was never true of the family's /i, y/ phonemic pair.
The tilde is also regularly used in cases of conditioned alternation.
by akam chinjir
Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:58 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 3069
Views: 2939913

Re: Conlang Random Thread

Interesting. The fact that they're in complementary distribution, at least in Spanish, maybe makes it a bit complicated, but the argument looks pretty good to me.