Surely in the IPA ʝ˕ just is j.
Is the idea that you've got i~y and j~ɥ, and are wondering if you could write them both as ɩ? I don't see why not.
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- Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:24 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
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- Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:45 am
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
And once again I find myself wishing I knew more about Arabic. Some of the cases exemplify a different sort of pattern that's interesting to me---the cases in which (as far as I can tell) the past-active and the present-passive are distinguished only by the agreement affixes. It's sort of a combinat...
- Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:44 am
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I'd actually be curious to know more about what markers tend to fuse with what. Like, I'm pretty sure it's most common to have subject agreement and tense (or tense/aspect?) marking fuse; and I'm pretty sure that having all of agreement, TAM, and valency markers get fused is pretty unusual; but it w...
- Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:05 am
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
Just to add slightly, it's a bit easier to see how you get a suffix in a verb-final language like Japanese, since whether "do" (or "suru") is a suffix or a light verb, it'll come after the thing it's verbalising. I was also thinking about "throw"---like you could take t...
- Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:41 am
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
One possibility would be to borrow only nouns, and then use them in a light verb construction (e.g., with a verb meaning do---Japanese mostly does this, for example).
- Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:16 pm
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Is it 'unrealistic' for people across hundreds of miles of China to have been speaking Chinese for thousands of years? I was going to say this is wildly unrealistic, but I don't know how restrictive that "hundreds of miles" is supposed to be. But the real reason to mention this is that th...
- Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:51 pm
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- Topic: SCA questions (cult initiation)
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Re: SCA questions (cult initiation)
Didn't chris_notts also have one? The documentation I found for IPA Zounds ( here ) doesn't suggest a way to handle stress. I've managed it fairly neatly in Phonix ( here ), though it's still not directly supported. Something that parsed words into syllables the way Phonix does, but then allowed you...
- Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:21 am
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- Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:49 am
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- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
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Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Do you have stress? If you do, that should provide some ways to get what you want. Something like: target unstressed syllables, but exempt initial or final syllables. E.g., suppose you've got primary stress on the second syllable. Then you could have a change that deletes the vowel in the third syll...
- Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:35 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
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Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Another possibility is "archiphoneme," maybe.
- Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:34 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Akam's scratchpad (two speedlangs)
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Akam's scratchpad (currently maybe Nðɑħɑɑ̯)
I'll give it a try! (Soon, I promise.) But first you get this post about nouns. Maybe it includes some implied word-building? Oops, and also: I've made up my mind about tone, there's a marked high tone, which I'll transcribe with acute accents. There's some funny business, which I'll be trying out i...
- Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:23 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Akam's scratchpad (two speedlangs)
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Akam's scratchpad (currently maybe Nðɑħɑɑ̯)
Vowels Okay, I've decided. Nðaḥaa̯ has four vowel phonemes, which I'll mostly transcribe as i e a o . (Maybe ɐ would be more accurate for a .) o has u as a fairly common allophone, especially word-finally and next to velars. Pharyngealised alveolars, along with q , lower a preceding high vowel, mer...
- Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:34 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Akam's scratchpad (two speedlangs)
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Akam's scratchpad (currently maybe Nðɑħɑɑ̯)
Okay, forget about ɴ . It was silly to try contrasting it with ŋ . And I used the symbol ʕ̞ , which doesn't make any sense (whatever a pharyngeal approximant is, it's not a lowered pharyngeal fricative). When I want to transcribe a pharyngeal approximant, I'll just write it as a̯ or ɑ̯ . I'm still f...
- Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:44 pm
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If I had to choose between relative clauses and participles I think it's more common to say that a language uses participles as relative clauses, rather than instead of relative clauses. (I'm pretty sure I've seen relative clauses defined as verb forms that get used like adjectives, especially attr...
- Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:38 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Akam's scratchpad (two speedlangs)
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Re: Akam's scratchpad (currently maybe Nðɑħɑɑ̯)
Thanks! Akiatu itself was actually supposed to be fairly peripheral to the main goings-on in the conworld. (It's still a bit peripheral, though a lot less so, both geographically and world-historically.) The project as a whole has a fairly broad geographic spread (I generally say "subcontinent,...
- Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:57 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Akam's scratchpad (two speedlangs)
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Re: Akam's scratchpad (currently maybe Nðɑħɑɑ̯)
Yeah, that paragraph was there largely because I was struck by the fact (if it's a fact) that pharyngeal vowel lowering doesn't pattern nicely with ATR distinctions. Not really surprised, I so far don't know enough that any of this stuff can be really surprising, but I did find it striking. (Fun fac...
- Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:41 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Akam's scratchpad (two speedlangs)
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Akam's scratchpad (Nðɑħɑɑ̯)
I seem to have run out of steam with Vædty Qyṣ. Here's an inventory I'm liking at the moment. Let's say for now that the language is called Nðɑħɑɑ̯ . lab dent alv alv+phar postalv vel uv phar glot m n̪ð n nˤ ɲ ŋ ɴ p t̪θ t tˤ t̠ɕ k q ʔ b d̪ð d dˤ d̠ʑ g θ s sˤ ɕ χ ħ h β~ʋ ð~l z~ɹ xˤ~ɹˤ ʑ~j ʁ~ʁ̞ ʕ~ʕ̞ T...
- Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:02 am
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: Language Telephone - TEAM 1 RESULTS AND TEAM 2 RESULTS!
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Re: Language Telephone
That reminds me, still have to send you my English translations---so you'll know what I thought I was reading in Vijay's Turkish, and what I thought I was writing in my Chinese. (But I can't see getting to it tonight.)
- Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:21 am
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: Language Telephone - TEAM 1 RESULTS AND TEAM 2 RESULTS!
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Re: Language Telephone
We'll see! In the end I think I figured it out reasonably well.
- Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:58 pm
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: Language Telephone - TEAM 1 RESULTS AND TEAM 2 RESULTS!
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Re: Language Telephone
Some bits were definitely odd---I'm very curious to see what you made of them!