Zompist Bboard Again

I've only ever heard /"bAnsaj/. Foreign /o/ is usually borrowed as English /Q/, which of course merged in AmE with /A/.

Is there such a thing as almond sauce? I could see turkey with peanut sauce, but all right-thinking people know the Correct sauce for a turkey sandwich is cranberry.

Amqoli lost ergativity and a lot of morphology because I kept forgetting it.

I'm more inclined to follow a theory where the palatovelars represent an innovation of the satem languages, though clearly relatively early, and probably any pre-satem dialect(s) may have co-existed during the time of PIE itself, but I am not convinced that the system currently reconstructed in a s...

alynnidalar wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:31 pm

zompist wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:16 pm I'd rhyme it with "skull".

Same.

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There are some word-initial consonant restrictions that are common in northern Eurasia -- the restriction against /N/ happens to be the most common one, but you also get restrictions against /r/ and so on. In IE, /N/ mostly comes from place assimilation of /n/ to a velar (followed by loss of followi...

Final stress, no synchronic schwa-dropping.
Falling tone.

Probably diffused from what became Balto-Slavic - cf. American English ae-breaking. (Sound changes tend to lose environmental complexity when they diffuse, and BSl seems to have the most complex conditioning.) Another possibility is widespread interdialectal loaning, of course...

About unstressed syllable, outside of ə, can other vowel exists in unstressed syllable? If it can, what other kind of vowel it can? No. Can word start with vowel? No. Can vowel hiatus occurs? No. How does upstep and downstep works? (You only give surface realization. But I need also the underlying ...

Does Ukrainian not have [v]? Belarusian merges coda -l and -v as [w], but I think still has [v] elsewhere. Ukrainian could be similar. It's probably best to think of the most-of-Eurasian u-semivowel the way we think of Japanese <r>. Japanese doesn't really have a trill, or a lateral, or whatever -- ...

/p b t c ʔ/ /f s h/ /m n/ /l~r j~dʒ w/ (/pˡ bˡ mˡ fˡ~hˡ ʔˡ/, contrasting with sequences /pl.../ [pr...]) /a ɒ e ʌ o i u ai/ + unstressed schwa Tone system: a word can have a downstep; if it has a downstep, it can also have an upstep. These can be on the same syllable. Phonetically, there are two ton...

Ahemai via fli tenaotao taa plaw tener ma ar Icente ele ye. /ʔəhəmai̯ wəjà ɬi tənʔótə̀ʔo təʔa pˡɔ tənə mʔa ʔə jcə̀nte ʔle jè/ [ʔə̥hə̥mái̯ ʋúdʒà ɬí tə̀nʔótə̀ʔò tə̥ʔá pɬɔ́ tə̥nə́ mʔá ʔə́ jcə̀ntè ʔlé dʒè/] Ahemai village TOP <LOC>mountain~PL be_in but hot <LOC>summer more to Zhjumna mountain_range STA...

Here is a phoneme inventory for a Macro-Vengic language, Ahemai /ʔəhəmai/, of the Whatic subgroup. /p b t c ʔ/ <p b t c 0> /f s h/ <f s h> /m n/ <m n> /w l j/ <v l y> /a ɒ e ə o i u ai/ <a aw e oe o i u ai> Complicated word-level tone system TBD, arising from loss of codas and stop voicing contrasts...

(For now, this will just be collecting information from the old thread.) The Macro-Vengic families are spoken in the northwest of the Large Continent . They are divided into five subfamilies. The main distinguishing features between these are the reflexes of Proto-Macro-Vengic *N and the regular str...

Many Brahmic scripts - Tocharian B has 17-20 consonants, 6 vowels (+ 4 diphthongs), and no length contrast, but orthographically it has 13 vowel signs (long vowels are used to mark stress on /a i u/), 44 consonant letters (including an incomplete series of characters for Cɨ sequences), the anusvara ...

/b t d k ʔ/ <b t d k ç> /f s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ ħ ʕ h/ <f s z c j q g x ÿ h> /m n/ <m n> /l r j w/ <l r y w> /a e o i u a: e: o: i: u:/ <a e o i u aa...> (/p g v/) /eːm w reʒeʕ ʕand bajjo || ʃeːfo bajjo ʒeːje men bʕid | w ʃefeʔ ʕale w raħ jeɣemro w jbuso || fa allo ebno | ja bajje | xtit ʕal sama w ʕalek | w...

Lebanese /b t d k ʔ/ /f s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ ħ ʕ h/ /m n/ /l r j w/ /a e o i u a: e: o: i: u:/ (/p g v/) /eːm w reʒeʕ ʕand bajjo || ʃeːfo bajjo ʒeːje men bʕid | w ʃefeʔ ʕale w raħ jeɣemro w jbuso || fa allo ebno | ja bajje | xtit ʕal sama w ʕalek | w mma bestħeʔʔ samme ʕaːle ebnak || aːl el bajj la xeddeːmo ...

Búlvee ganá platjaí augínama kultuurá, kurí Pietuú Amä́rikojä búvoo sukultuúrinta priéš kää́lätaa túukstantjuu mää́tuu. Žínoma labaí daúg veísljuu. Laukínees arbá saváiminees búlvees áuga Pietuú Amä́rikoos Anduu kalnuosä́, kuŕ joós búvoo svarbjáusjas maísto prodúktas. Bulve gana plaťaj åginama kultú...

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:56 pmThis begs the question why only back sibilants have a labialization distinction!

Why shouldn't this be the case? Gaps in labialized series are well-attested. AFAICT, /sʷ zʷ/ do not exist in Northwest Caucasian at all.

It's too bad we don't have more historical context for Gomberg. Was he 1942's equivalent of a Posadist? My impression is that, disturbingly, he was not.

Also, note that the provinces of Canada are preserved in the North American superstate, but the states of Mexico are not.