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by Nortaneous
Sun Jul 09, 2023 12:54 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1425
Views: 471765

Re: English questions

(or are there varieties where the vowel quality of PALM and START is different and they're not just distinguished by the /r/?) Yes - for me the onset of START is closer to THOUGHT than to PALM. Anyway, my point was that, even if you learn these rules and tendencies, when it comes to monosyllabic wo...
by Nortaneous
Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:16 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
Replies: 144
Views: 337435

Re: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)

After all this is applied, then the vowels' lengths are further conditioned by stress, word length, and like. Note that I normally would analyze "short vowels" after consonants and before other vowels as actually /j w/, considering that their distribution is not really predictable (i.e. w...
by Nortaneous
Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:47 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 1782
Views: 4965689

Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

idempotent
by Nortaneous
Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:18 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4751
Views: 2190440

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Fieldnotes, so low confidence. May be worth seeing if there's anything to supplement this in Laycock's Ninggera notes on PARADISEC... This has some Ninggera material. What are <p̃ b̃>? (in e.g. p̃wusɛm 'night', wimb̃inis 'sand', b̃u 'water', eyomp̃w ) I could believe *mbu *mbuV > (ᵐ)bu (ᵐ)bV - or ev...
by Nortaneous
Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:25 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: The Allosphere
Replies: 86
Views: 88148

Re: The Allosphere

Pnwq maercae dỳg ʼeemfrks tʼenggihʼ zahlks. [pʰnɯχ mæɹɣæ dʕəɣ ʔeɛmɸ˞ə̆ɺə̆ks tʼeɪŋgiʔ zaɬks] pʰnɯχ m-aer-ɣE=dʕəɣ ʔeɛ<m>ɸ-r-k-s tʼeɪ-ŋ-giʔ zaɬk-s heaven PRES-CONT-VEN=<3O>bear good<INDEF>-CAUS-COLL.INAN-ACC man-COLL.ANIM-BEN many-ACC Tʼeng twmzwcdw qʼvlfi nà pnwgqihʼ. [tʼeɪŋ tɯmzɯɣdɯ qʼl̩ʷɸi nʕa pʰnɯ...
by Nortaneous
Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:06 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang fluency thread
Replies: 2589
Views: 1520515

Re: Conlang fluency thread

Sainggihʼ tʼwmcwry kʼui nà bvltoa tʼaomqtfs cynʼ tseu. [sɑɛŋgɪʔ tɯmɣɯrə kʼy nʕa bl̩ʷtʰoə tʼɔomχtɸs ɣənʔ tsʰeɪɔ] sɑɛɣ-ŋgɪʔ tɯ-m-ɣI-rE kʼy=n<ʕ>a bl̩ʷtʰoə tʼɔo<m>χ-t-ɸ-s ɣə<n>ʔ tsʰeɪɔ town-ILL 1SG-PRES-NEG-shoreward go=<3>NEG today soup<INDEF>-1POSS-CAUS-ACC.INAN eat<NSEQ> at_home Instead of going to ...
by Nortaneous
Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:51 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
Replies: 144
Views: 337435

Re: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)

I'd never heard of Americans having a vowel other than /ɑ/ or /ʊ/ in water before the last time this came up. I know someone for whom warm and worm are homophones. I'm not sure if this extends to war and were , or if there are any other words a /worC/-/wʌrC/ merger would affect, since most people pr...
by Nortaneous
Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:52 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
Replies: 1010
Views: 496687

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Àmqt /pʰ pʼ b tʰ tʼ d tsʰ tsʼ dz tɬʰ tɬʼ dɮ kʰ kʼ g qʼ ʡ ʔ/ <p pʼ b t tʼ d ts tsʼ dz tl tlʼ dl k kʼ g qʼ xʼ hʼ> /ɸ s ɬ ɮ χ ħ ʕ h/ <f s hl l q x ` h> /z r ɣ/ <z r c> /m n̪ n ŋ/ <m n ņ ŋ> /i y ɯ u/ <i ui w u> /æ œ ə a/ <ae x y a> /iɛ yœ/ <ie uie> /eɪ əʊ/ <e o> /eɛ ɤɐ oə/ <ee yy oa> /ɑɛ øɛ ɔø ɔo ɛɪɔ/ ...
by Nortaneous
Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:05 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
Replies: 144
Views: 337435

Re: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)

can go either way (with [ɑ] being more general) in ... produce Produce ? The noun? People used to say [ˈprɑdus]? bowie-knife could be either [ˈboːɪ-] or [ˈbuːɪ-] even in 1919, so the hates can shut it [dejvɪd buwi] is a common error for Marylanders due to the name of the town. "In Eastern New ...
by Nortaneous
Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:44 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
Replies: 1010
Views: 496687

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Here is a typical language of the Swampish Far East. The ɬ ɮ series is palatal, but the relevant extIPA characters don't display for me. /ʕamχt/ /pʰ pʼ b tʰ tʼ d tsʰ tsʼ dz tɬʰ tɬʼ dɮ kʰ kʼ g qʼ ʡ ʔ/ /ɸ s ɬ ɮ χ ħ ʕ h/ /z r ɣ/ /m n̪ n ŋ/ + Ph Pħ Bʢ /i y ɯ u/ /æ œ ə a/ /iɛ yœ/ /eɪ əʊ/ /eɛ ɤɐ oə/ /ɑɛ ø...
by Nortaneous
Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:42 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
Replies: 1010
Views: 496687

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

/ɠ̥ɵ́kʰlɪ̃̀ɟɵ̀ʛwʉ̀/ /b͡pʰ tʰ ɟ͡cʰ kʰ/ <pp tt cc kk> /t ɟ k q/ <t c k q> /ɓ ɗ̥ ʄ ɠ̥ ʛ/ <b d j g qq> /ɓ~w~ŋ͡m~ŋ͡ʘ ɗ~l~n ʄ~j~ɲ/ <bb~w~u~m dd~l~n jj~y~i~ñ> /f s x/ <f s h> fioruvx +ATR /i ʉ u e ɵ/ <i v u e x> –ATR /ɪ ʊ ɔ ɵ a/ <y o c x a> nasal /ɪ̃ ʊ̟̃ ɞ̃/ <in on xn> /ì í î/ <ip i if> /wékwɵ́ ʛà=fwɪ̃̀=kɪ...
by Nortaneous
Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:16 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1425
Views: 471765

Re: English questions

I'm still confused by doll/dal/Dahl. I feel like "dal" should be homophonous with "Dahl" but not "doll", but I also can't imagine what "doll" would be if not homophonous - [dɔɫ] feels too New England. But I've spent a lot of time in the father-bother-unmerged ...
by Nortaneous
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:49 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4751
Views: 2190440

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Germanic except Afrikaans, right? For example, here , "kind" sounds to me like "gunt". Are you referring to the word at 1:08? It sounds like [kɨnt] to me, so unaspirated and with final devoicing — but hard to tell since they’re all singing together. (And singing in and of itself...
by Nortaneous
Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:48 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4751
Views: 2190440

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

In Spanish, though, don't you natively have [β ð ɣ] intervocalically for /b d g/, meaning you don't actually have a native intervocalic contrast between [p t k] and b d g ? (And knowing NAE doesn't help either as in NAE the perceived voicing of intervocalic stops is heavily informed by preceding vo...
by Nortaneous
Mon May 29, 2023 2:00 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1425
Views: 471765

Re: English questions

FWIW this must be an old sound change, not an ongoing one, because it's not hard to get an actual [al], e.g. in doll . Are "doll" and "dal" (as in "dal makhani", etc.) homophones? I actually don't know. If there's a pom-palm split, "doll" has the "palm&q...
by Nortaneous
Wed May 24, 2023 6:47 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
Replies: 144
Views: 337435

Re: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)

words such as moral and towel , where he contrasts "popular" [mɔɹl], [tɑʊl] with "standard" [ˈmɔrəl], [ˈtɑʊəl]—this is sort of mindblowing to me, since i can't even figure out how to pronounce these words as one clear syllable unless i pronounce the /l/ as a clear, "light&q...
by Nortaneous
Sat May 20, 2023 5:05 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang fluency thread
Replies: 2589
Views: 1520515

Re: Conlang fluency thread

Nniaxjot tqpbbv fup mthzxpvp hapya. Dqtdqt nha fup chip.
[ɲ̩˧ɲæ˥˩dʑo˥ tɒ˩mbʙʉ˧ ɸu˩m̩˥xə˥˩pʙ̥ʉ̥ xa˩jæ˧ || dɒ˥dɒ˥ n̩˧xa˧ ɸu˩ tɕi˩]
CLF-cat=TOP house PST=DIR-move\EGO-CAUS like_that || quality CLF-3 PST bring_forth
We got a cat that way once. He was a good cat.
by Nortaneous
Tue May 16, 2023 8:59 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang fluency thread
Replies: 2589
Views: 1520515

Re: Conlang fluency thread

Dvtwqnpjet yet katchanlpiat wunlczlxi? [dʙʉ̩̃˥w̃ɒ̃˩dʑe˥ je˥ ka˥tɕæ̃˧pɕæ˥ wũ˧tsə̥ɕi̥] weave-language=TOP.Q E.TOP three-consonant difficult-AUG Are glosses for triconsonantal languages so difficult? official register: Mxljitye yinlwqnpye dvtnyixnyixmqpjet yinwqnpchix yinpiatye katrhyp yinrhzpye yinch...
by Nortaneous
Sat May 13, 2023 5:52 pm
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: Annual Eurovision thread
Replies: 6
Views: 827

Re: Annual Eurovision thread

It is no longer trivial to watch from the US (I do not "pay" for "streaming services") but I've already forgotten all the other entries and don't care. Even the twinks were boring. When will they bring back Achille Lauro? When will Georgia renew trade relations with Colorado and ...
by Nortaneous
Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:14 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Experiences in non-intelligiblity in your native language
Replies: 22
Views: 2956

Re: Experiences in non-intelligiblity in your native language

Every time I say "countable nouns" [ˈkʰæɔ̯nəbʊ ˈnæɔ̯nz], some of my colleagues hear it as "cannibal nouns" [ˈkʰænəbʊ ˈnæɔ̯nz]. Once I was talking to a linguistics grad student (from a few hours north of me - had the /æ/-/eə/ contrast) about the syllabification of words in <ow(e)...