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- Sun Jul 09, 2023 12:54 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: English questions
- Replies: 1425
- Views: 471765
Re: English questions
(or are there varieties where the vowel quality of PALM and START is different and they're not just distinguished by the /r/?) Yes - for me the onset of START is closer to THOUGHT than to PALM. Anyway, my point was that, even if you learn these rules and tendencies, when it comes to monosyllabic wo...
- Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:16 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
- Replies: 144
- Views: 337435
Re: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
After all this is applied, then the vowels' lengths are further conditioned by stress, word length, and like. Note that I normally would analyze "short vowels" after consonants and before other vowels as actually /j w/, considering that their distribution is not really predictable (i.e. w...
- Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:47 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 1782
- Views: 4965689
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
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- Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:18 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4751
- Views: 2190440
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Fieldnotes, so low confidence. May be worth seeing if there's anything to supplement this in Laycock's Ninggera notes on PARADISEC... This has some Ninggera material. What are <p̃ b̃>? (in e.g. p̃wusɛm 'night', wimb̃inis 'sand', b̃u 'water', eyomp̃w ) I could believe *mbu *mbuV > (ᵐ)bu (ᵐ)bV - or ev...
- Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:25 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: The Allosphere
- Replies: 86
- Views: 88148
Re: The Allosphere
Pnwq maercae dỳg ʼeemfrks tʼenggihʼ zahlks. [pʰnɯχ mæɹɣæ dʕəɣ ʔeɛmɸ˞ə̆ɺə̆ks tʼeɪŋgiʔ zaɬks] pʰnɯχ m-aer-ɣE=dʕəɣ ʔeɛ<m>ɸ-r-k-s tʼeɪ-ŋ-giʔ zaɬk-s heaven PRES-CONT-VEN=<3O>bear good<INDEF>-CAUS-COLL.INAN-ACC man-COLL.ANIM-BEN many-ACC Tʼeng twmzwcdw qʼvlfi nà pnwgqihʼ. [tʼeɪŋ tɯmzɯɣdɯ qʼl̩ʷɸi nʕa pʰnɯ...
- Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:06 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang fluency thread
- Replies: 2589
- Views: 1520515
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Sainggihʼ tʼwmcwry kʼui nà bvltoa tʼaomqtfs cynʼ tseu. [sɑɛŋgɪʔ tɯmɣɯrə kʼy nʕa bl̩ʷtʰoə tʼɔomχtɸs ɣənʔ tsʰeɪɔ] sɑɛɣ-ŋgɪʔ tɯ-m-ɣI-rE kʼy=n<ʕ>a bl̩ʷtʰoə tʼɔo<m>χ-t-ɸ-s ɣə<n>ʔ tsʰeɪɔ town-ILL 1SG-PRES-NEG-shoreward go=<3>NEG today soup<INDEF>-1POSS-CAUS-ACC.INAN eat<NSEQ> at_home Instead of going to ...
- Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:51 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
- Replies: 144
- Views: 337435
Re: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
I'd never heard of Americans having a vowel other than /ɑ/ or /ʊ/ in water before the last time this came up. I know someone for whom warm and worm are homophones. I'm not sure if this extends to war and were , or if there are any other words a /worC/-/wʌrC/ merger would affect, since most people pr...
- Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:52 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
- Replies: 1010
- Views: 496687
Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
Àmqt /pʰ pʼ b tʰ tʼ d tsʰ tsʼ dz tɬʰ tɬʼ dɮ kʰ kʼ g qʼ ʡ ʔ/ <p pʼ b t tʼ d ts tsʼ dz tl tlʼ dl k kʼ g qʼ xʼ hʼ> /ɸ s ɬ ɮ χ ħ ʕ h/ <f s hl l q x ` h> /z r ɣ/ <z r c> /m n̪ n ŋ/ <m n ņ ŋ> /i y ɯ u/ <i ui w u> /æ œ ə a/ <ae x y a> /iɛ yœ/ <ie uie> /eɪ əʊ/ <e o> /eɛ ɤɐ oə/ <ee yy oa> /ɑɛ øɛ ɔø ɔo ɛɪɔ/ ...
- Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:05 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
- Replies: 144
- Views: 337435
Re: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
can go either way (with [ɑ] being more general) in ... produce Produce ? The noun? People used to say [ˈprɑdus]? bowie-knife could be either [ˈboːɪ-] or [ˈbuːɪ-] even in 1919, so the hates can shut it [dejvɪd buwi] is a common error for Marylanders due to the name of the town. "In Eastern New ...
- Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:44 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
- Replies: 1010
- Views: 496687
Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
Here is a typical language of the Swampish Far East. The ɬ ɮ series is palatal, but the relevant extIPA characters don't display for me. /ʕamχt/ /pʰ pʼ b tʰ tʼ d tsʰ tsʼ dz tɬʰ tɬʼ dɮ kʰ kʼ g qʼ ʡ ʔ/ /ɸ s ɬ ɮ χ ħ ʕ h/ /z r ɣ/ /m n̪ n ŋ/ + Ph Pħ Bʢ /i y ɯ u/ /æ œ ə a/ /iɛ yœ/ /eɪ əʊ/ /eɛ ɤɐ oə/ /ɑɛ ø...
- Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:42 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
- Replies: 1010
- Views: 496687
Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
/ɠ̥ɵ́kʰlɪ̃̀ɟɵ̀ʛwʉ̀/ /b͡pʰ tʰ ɟ͡cʰ kʰ/ <pp tt cc kk> /t ɟ k q/ <t c k q> /ɓ ɗ̥ ʄ ɠ̥ ʛ/ <b d j g qq> /ɓ~w~ŋ͡m~ŋ͡ʘ ɗ~l~n ʄ~j~ɲ/ <bb~w~u~m dd~l~n jj~y~i~ñ> /f s x/ <f s h> fioruvx +ATR /i ʉ u e ɵ/ <i v u e x> –ATR /ɪ ʊ ɔ ɵ a/ <y o c x a> nasal /ɪ̃ ʊ̟̃ ɞ̃/ <in on xn> /ì í î/ <ip i if> /wékwɵ́ ʛà=fwɪ̃̀=kɪ...
- Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:16 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: English questions
- Replies: 1425
- Views: 471765
Re: English questions
I'm still confused by doll/dal/Dahl. I feel like "dal" should be homophonous with "Dahl" but not "doll", but I also can't imagine what "doll" would be if not homophonous - [dɔɫ] feels too New England. But I've spent a lot of time in the father-bother-unmerged ...
- Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:49 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4751
- Views: 2190440
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Germanic except Afrikaans, right? For example, here , "kind" sounds to me like "gunt". Are you referring to the word at 1:08? It sounds like [kɨnt] to me, so unaspirated and with final devoicing — but hard to tell since they’re all singing together. (And singing in and of itself...
- Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:48 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
- Replies: 4751
- Views: 2190440
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
In Spanish, though, don't you natively have [β ð ɣ] intervocalically for /b d g/, meaning you don't actually have a native intervocalic contrast between [p t k] and b d g ? (And knowing NAE doesn't help either as in NAE the perceived voicing of intervocalic stops is heavily informed by preceding vo...
- Mon May 29, 2023 2:00 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: English questions
- Replies: 1425
- Views: 471765
Re: English questions
FWIW this must be an old sound change, not an ongoing one, because it's not hard to get an actual [al], e.g. in doll . Are "doll" and "dal" (as in "dal makhani", etc.) homophones? I actually don't know. If there's a pom-palm split, "doll" has the "palm&q...
- Wed May 24, 2023 6:47 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
- Replies: 144
- Views: 337435
Re: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
words such as moral and towel , where he contrasts "popular" [mɔɹl], [tɑʊl] with "standard" [ˈmɔrəl], [ˈtɑʊəl]—this is sort of mindblowing to me, since i can't even figure out how to pronounce these words as one clear syllable unless i pronounce the /l/ as a clear, "light&q...
- Sat May 20, 2023 5:05 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang fluency thread
- Replies: 2589
- Views: 1520515
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Nniaxjot tqpbbv fup mthzxpvp hapya. Dqtdqt nha fup chip.
[ɲ̩˧ɲæ˥˩dʑo˥ tɒ˩mbʙʉ˧ ɸu˩m̩˥xə˥˩pʙ̥ʉ̥ xa˩jæ˧ || dɒ˥dɒ˥ n̩˧xa˧ ɸu˩ tɕi˩]
CLF-cat=TOP house PST=DIR-move\EGO-CAUS like_that || quality CLF-3 PST bring_forth
We got a cat that way once. He was a good cat.
[ɲ̩˧ɲæ˥˩dʑo˥ tɒ˩mbʙʉ˧ ɸu˩m̩˥xə˥˩pʙ̥ʉ̥ xa˩jæ˧ || dɒ˥dɒ˥ n̩˧xa˧ ɸu˩ tɕi˩]
CLF-cat=TOP house PST=DIR-move\EGO-CAUS like_that || quality CLF-3 PST bring_forth
We got a cat that way once. He was a good cat.
- Tue May 16, 2023 8:59 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang fluency thread
- Replies: 2589
- Views: 1520515
Re: Conlang fluency thread
Dvtwqnpjet yet katchanlpiat wunlczlxi? [dʙʉ̩̃˥w̃ɒ̃˩dʑe˥ je˥ ka˥tɕæ̃˧pɕæ˥ wũ˧tsə̥ɕi̥] weave-language=TOP.Q E.TOP three-consonant difficult-AUG Are glosses for triconsonantal languages so difficult? official register: Mxljitye yinlwqnpye dvtnyixnyixmqpjet yinwqnpchix yinpiatye katrhyp yinrhzpye yinch...
- Sat May 13, 2023 5:52 pm
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: Annual Eurovision thread
- Replies: 6
- Views: 827
Re: Annual Eurovision thread
It is no longer trivial to watch from the US (I do not "pay" for "streaming services") but I've already forgotten all the other entries and don't care. Even the twinks were boring. When will they bring back Achille Lauro? When will Georgia renew trade relations with Colorado and ...
- Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:14 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Experiences in non-intelligiblity in your native language
- Replies: 22
- Views: 2956
Re: Experiences in non-intelligiblity in your native language
Every time I say "countable nouns" [ˈkʰæɔ̯nəbʊ ˈnæɔ̯nz], some of my colleagues hear it as "cannibal nouns" [ˈkʰænəbʊ ˈnæɔ̯nz]. Once I was talking to a linguistics grad student (from a few hours north of me - had the /æ/-/eə/ contrast) about the syllabification of words in <ow(e)...