Zompist Bboard Again

Differing from Yale in <ao ang aang yen ü> and replacing the caron with an underline? Huh, is it really that close to Yale? I didn’t realise. I guess there's only so many ways to romanize Mandarin in accordance with English loan-stratum orthographic conventions. But what about the conventions of Zz...

I don't know whether drawing on various Southeast Asian languages in this debate is a good idea. I mean, each region of the world has its own "phonetic flavour": some classes of sounds are more common in some regions and rare in others. Of course, we don't know much about the "phonet...

I don't know whether drawing on various Southeast Asian languages in this debate is a good idea. I mean, each region of the world has its own "phonetic flavour": some classes of sounds are more common in some regions and rare in others. Of course, we don't know much about the "phonet...

Admittedly, Greek seems to need *T *D *Dh as an intermediate stage no matter what Why? The PIE fortis series is reflected as T, the PIE marked series is reflected as D, and the PIE lenis series is reflected as Th. How do you get Th out of the lenis series if not by *D > *Dh > Th? Maybe this is wher...

What do you mean by the "aspirate model"? The standard model, or my suggestion that *T was aspirated? If the latter, what are the "dire problems" with it? Is suspect Nortaneous means the conventional T D Dh model. I guess so, too. And I wouldn't call the problems with the conven...

Thanks to the discussion on another thread, I’ve finally managed to find a romanisation of Mandarin Chinese I’m happy with: /m n/ ⟨m n⟩ /p t k/ ⟨b d g⟩ /pʰ tʰ kʰ/ ⟨p t k⟩ /ts tʂ tɕ/ ⟨dz j j⟩ /tsʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ/ ⟨ts ch ch⟩ /f s ʂ ɕ x/ ⟨f s sh sh h⟩ /w l ɹ j/ ⟨w l r y⟩ [ɹ̩ əɹ] ⟨r er⟩ [ɤ ɐ ei ae oʊ ɑo] ⟨e a...

Yes. And the argument that some languages with ejectives (such as the Semitic languages) lack a labial ejective doesn't work with implosives - because in languages with implosives, the labial implosive tends to be the most frequent of them all. Indeed, there are languages, such as Mayan, where the ...

Complicated by Winter's Law in Balto-Slavic and Lachmann's Law in Latin (thus reconstructable for Italic), in which the *D series under certain conditions (preceding a *T-series consonant in Latin and in closed syllables[?] in Balto-Slavic) does something indistinguishable from excreting a precedin...

4. *Dh is clearly distinct from *D, though they merge with *D in most languages. Of the languages where they don't, Indo-Aryan (but not Iranian, which belongs to the many languages with a *D/*Dh merger) has breathy-voiced stops, also some Armenian dialects, and there is some evidence for such refle...

okay, once more on Rau historical phonology since it's changed a lot and H13 has unjustly accused me of making Arve again >:( So! In the earliest written records of Rau (ca. -500 YP), the consonant inventory is superficially similar to that of Old Kangshi, the source of the Rau script. All Old Kangs...

morpheme boundary reanalysis (what was the exact term?) Metanalysis? Isn't tonal theory for pre-PIE generally accepted? The analogy to Yabem? Not really. PIE is known to have had a mobile pitch accent, but contrastive tonal contours haven't been established. Could be interesting to see if there are...

Thanks! Maybe k > ʔ (as in Wutung and Gimi) > 0 [recently? only for certain speakers?] but I agree that it's a little dubious. Especially given the high functional load /k/ would have. /k/ seems to usually be the most common consonant in LP languages so it would be weird to just drop it. Although t...

where? I've been unable to find any documentation of Biritai It's in two papers by Mark Donohue. The first one co-authored with Bill Ross in 2011, which adds /j w/ to the consonants, and the second (actually a talk i think) is from 2017. I'm pretty sceptical of the claim myself given that in all th...

Darren wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:25 pm I just read that Biritai, a Lakes Plain language, apparently has the following phonemic inventory:

where? I've been unable to find any documentation of Biritai

peel: /pijəl/ [pçij.l̩ˤ] pill: /pil/ [pʰɪlˤ] pull: /pul/ [pʰʊˤlˤ] pool: /puwl/ [pʰuˤlˤ] Paul: /pol/ [pʰɔˤlˤ] fool: /fuwl/ [fuˤlˤ] poopː /puwp/ [pʰʉwˀp] accrual: /əkruwəl/ [əkʰɹuˤ(wˤ).l̩ˤ] pailː /pejəl/ [peəˤlˤ] (not sure if this contrasts with 'betrayal' - would be a difference of vowel height if an...

But I’m not quite sure why you say there’s no search — I can see a search bar right at the bottom: I think it only applies to the current view, which is odd. (Although in general being able to search within an already-selected view - presumably the result of a past search - is a nice theoretically ...

and Pyysalo's "System PIE" web app, built around the idea that the sound changes from Pyysalo-Indo-European to the various languages were complete enough that the program could compute the regular form and highlight irregularities. I’m even less familiar with this one, though I confess th...

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 9:48 pm Also note that historical */auk/ derived from an earlier /uːk/ does not seem to occur in native words (though I imagine some people pronounce /alk/ in this way now).

GVS didn't apply to ū before noncoronals.

How much else is there? SIL has some papers on Sikaritai and Obokuitai (and maybe Doutai and Edopi), but I don't think they get into much (if any) historical detail. Yoder has published a grammar of Abawiri. Glottolog says there's a sketch grammar of Duvle, but it's probably sitting undigitized in a...

However, I think we have some room to include less well-vetted sources too. This is why I like the idea of a ‘tiers’ system so much: it lets us include more data, while still maintaining reliability. Then, if the user only wants vetted sources, they can filter for ‘most reliable’ or whatever we end...