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by Nortaneous
Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:35 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Innovative Usage Thread
Replies: 572
Views: 672289

Re: Innovative Usage Thread

Two years ago a British transgender women sook asylum in New Zealand
by Nortaneous
Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:04 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Spread of Indo European video accuracy
Replies: 16
Views: 9377

Re: Spread of Indo European video accuracy

I'd follow Adams and Fellner and have a later split of Tocharian from somewhere around Germany or Poland with a Slavic-like rapid eastward expansion. The Balkan thing is a little weird. the balkan/germanic connection is interesting .... i've seen it before, but it's definitely a minority view. inter...
by Nortaneous
Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:38 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 1782
Views: 4968872

Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

Space60 wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 4:58 pm How do you pronounce "idea"? I am American and I pronounce it with two syllables. The last syllable sounds like a nonrhotic pronunciation of the word "dear".
three syllables for me but two is well enough attested that Shavian has a single letter for /iːə/
by Nortaneous
Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:09 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Proto Chinese
Replies: 4
Views: 5893

Re: Proto Chinese

No. There's still no consensus on where Sinitic falls within Sino-Tibetan, so it's unclear what it should be compared with. Aside from Chinese-internal evidence, there are early Sinitic strata in Bai (which are probably not of much comparative use yet because Bai is highly eroded) and pre-MC sesquis...
by Nortaneous
Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:07 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Proto Sino Tibetan
Replies: 3
Views: 4763

Re: Proto Sino Tibetan

The amount of verbal morphology to reconstruct is one of the major points of debate in the reconstruction of PST. Rgyalrongic and Kiranti have some verbal person marking affixes that look cognate, which, assuming it isn't a huge coincidence, means that either PST had verbal person marking or Rgyalro...
by Nortaneous
Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:00 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
Replies: 1019
Views: 501090

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

/p t ʈ c k q/ <b d ḍ j g q> /pp tt ʈʈ cc kk qq/ <p t ṭ c k x> /(b d)/ <bh dh> /m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n ṇ ny ng> /r/ <r> /θ s ʂ/ <th s ṣ> /w l j/ <v l y> /i ɨ u e o æ a/ <i ue u e o ae a> short high, short low, long high, long low, long rising and long falling <á à áá àà aá áa> All vowels (both unstressed an...
by Nortaneous
Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:46 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciations you had to unlearn
Replies: 805
Views: 553898

Re: Pronunciations you had to unlearn

Linguoboy wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:11 am I often bring up to folks who stigmatise "liberry", "Febuary", etc.
"Febuary" as opposed to what, [ˈfɛbruːeri]? I don't think I've ever heard that.
by Nortaneous
Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:17 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
Replies: 1019
Views: 501090

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

it's close enough to Rau that it can be written as it, right (wrong) p~f pˤ~fˤ t tˤ ʦ ʧ k q ʔ <p pr t r ts c k q '> b bˤ d dˤ ʣ ʤ ɡ <b̠ b̠r d̠ d̠r j̄ j ḡ> m mˤ n nˤ ɲ <m mr n nr ñ> r rˤ <z zr> s sˤ ʃ x χ ħ h <s sr sh kh h hr h̠> z zˤ ʒ ɣ ʕ <d dr s̠h r̠ r> w l lˤ j <b l lr g> i ɨ u ə a <i ou o u a> i...
by Nortaneous
Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:20 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
Replies: 1019
Views: 501090

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

p~f pˤ~fˤ t tˤ ʦ ʧ k q ʔ <f fħ t tħ c č k q j> b bˤ d dˤ ʣ ʤ ɡ <b bħ d dħ dz dž g> m mˤ n nˤ ɲ <m mħ n nħ ñ> r rˤ <r rħ> s sˤ ʃ x χ ħ h <s sħ š x xħ jħ h> z zˤ ʒ ɣ ʕ <z zħ ž gh għ> w l lˤ j <w l lħ y> i ɨ u ə a <i ee u e a> i: u: a: <ii uu aa> /á à â/ <á à â> /inə̀ʔχːɨrt nɨ̀ɣmɨjtːɨ̂mʃ || tːˤə̂rfɨt j...
by Nortaneous
Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:12 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Accented standard language varieties versus dialects
Replies: 5
Views: 4851

Re: Accented standard language varieties versus dialects

I don't think I have any such constructions, but I live in enough of a bubble that I wouldn't know.

AmEng is very lexically innovative, but its lexical innovation is much less geographically localized than its phonological innovation.
by Nortaneous
Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:25 pm
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: Random Thread
Replies: 3850
Views: 515996

Re: Random Thread

zompist wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:14 pm My question is, especially for our French members: is there anything to this? I just looked at the Wikipedia article on rosé, and I didn't see anything about wine snobs looking down on rosé.
I haven't heard of this before, but rosés are heavily marketed, so it's not that surprising
by Nortaneous
Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:19 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciations you had to unlearn
Replies: 805
Views: 553898

Re: Pronunciations you had to unlearn

i've never heard "salmon" with an /l/ or "catalpa" in general (evidently some botanist's misspelling of "catawba"?)
by Nortaneous
Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:50 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Why are clicks so rare?
Replies: 29
Views: 12589

Re: Why are clicks so rare?

FWIW, this is George, not his father. Are their views particularly different though? He strikes me as more cautious. I read one of his Khoisan papers yesterday and it was a lot more sober than I remember him being, but I haven't looked into the details of the proposed cognates / correspondences yet
by Nortaneous
Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:49 pm
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: Random Thread
Replies: 3850
Views: 515996

Re: Random Thread

Is it normal for bumblebees to appear in large numbers? Because right now there are really a lot of bumblebees at a particular stretch of flowers in my neighbor's/landlady's garden. yes - I have a lot, and haven't tried to optimize my garden for bees. they seem to like plants in the mint family. (m...
by Nortaneous
Tue Aug 03, 2021 7:39 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Why are clicks so rare?
Replies: 29
Views: 12589

Re: Why are clicks so rare?

Oorlams reportedly does, but that’s a creole. Source? What circumstances were there for Dahalo? The clicks are preserved from a non-Cushitic substrate. Haven’t read the paper (link please?), but that last proposal sounds reasonable to me, except I think Tuu–Kxʼa is more likely a Sprachbund than a c...
by Nortaneous
Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:41 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Why are clicks so rare?
Replies: 29
Views: 12589

Re: Why are clicks so rare?

As for clicks, they probably were an areal feature widespread in sub-Equatorial Africa before most of the languages there were displaced by the Bantu languages. I see no reason to assume that Proto-World (if that ever existed) had clicks and all non-"Khoisan" languages have lost them. But...
by Nortaneous
Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:21 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Phrase evolution game
Replies: 742
Views: 318071

Re: Phrase evolution game

1) iĕ yø̆ uŏ > iə øə uə; ʉi̯ > øj 2) ɥ > j 3) Most cases of liaison are generalized to linking and intrusive ʁ, but some remain 4) ɸC- > Cw- 5) VC: > VˀC (probably via V̆C) 6) pl > tɬ 7) Educational standards decline; a hardly-standardized social media orthography takes over [li wɔ dʒy nuəʁ‿i li suə...
by Nortaneous
Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:41 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Why are clicks so rare?
Replies: 29
Views: 12589

Re: Why are clicks so rare?

Given 1000 years, who knows? But remember that Damin is restricted to warama -initiated men — as such that exerts a pressure against Damin words and sounds being borrowed into everyday language. It's only taught to initiates, but my impression is that they didn't try to stop non-initiates from deve...
by Nortaneous
Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:02 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Weird sound changes
Replies: 22
Views: 11429

Re: Weird sound changes

Of course the above implies kr > kʰ as well. *dr was a unit *ⁿdʳ, the prenasalized equivalent of /r/. I can't recall any sources or languages, but there were those two random sound changes in two different oceanic languages, without any apparent motivation or intermediate steps: 1. b > c / #_, nc /...
by Nortaneous
Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:57 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Weird sound changes
Replies: 22
Views: 11429

Re: Weird sound changes

Apparently *s > n is attested in Arapaho, but I don't know any theories about what the intermediate steps, if any, were. Plains Algonquian languages in general have a ton of really bizarre sound changes. https://www.academia.edu/2107195/The_sound_change_s_n_in_Arapaho I can't recall any sources or ...