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by Ephraim
Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:36 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4749
Views: 2170885

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

The first thing that comes to mind is that the Old English infinitive ended in /ɑn/ rather than the /æn/ expected from Anglo-Frisian brightening through the influence of this vowel. Do you happen to known of any sources for this idea besides Wikipedia? Unfortunately Wikipedia does not cite any sour...
by Ephraim
Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:55 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4749
Views: 2170885

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

About Ossetian cases Are Ossetian genitive and dative descended from PIE cases or a separate creation? The dative is certainly a separate creation, there is no PIE dative in *-n . The genitive doesn't look PIE, either. Looking at the table in Wikipedia , I have the impression that all Ossetian case...
by Ephraim
Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:21 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4749
Views: 2170885

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

I always understood coarticulations as phones with multiple simultaneous articulations at different POA, such as the [kp] and [gb] found in many Niger-Congo languages. I think the term coarticulation is used in multiple, but related, ways. It can refer to the doubly articulated consonants you menti...
by Ephraim
Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:04 pm
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: Legal Question About Bee Biology
Replies: 8
Views: 2163

Re: Legal Question About Bee Biology

The German Civil Code, as a classic example of German over-meticulousness and extreme obsessive-compulsiveness, has more than 2000 sections dealing with all kinds of matters. And because it is so extremely meticulous, among its more than 2000 sections, there are four sections (961, 962, 963, 964) t...
by Ephraim
Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:34 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: English as a Scandinavian language?
Replies: 9
Views: 4190

Re: English as a Scandinavian language?

I made a conlang Yorwicks, a descendant of Old Norse that survives to the present day in the Vale of Pickering (maybe some day I'll finish and publish it here). One thing I ultimately noticed is that if you use the right sound changes and grammatical developments you can basically make Yorwicks ind...
by Ephraim
Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:30 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: English as a Scandinavian language?
Replies: 9
Views: 4190

Re: English as a Scandinavian language?

Also, see this Language log post, which is from 2012, so not in response to the 2014 monograph per se, but Faarlund’s claims had received some media attention before that. https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=4351 This extract strikes me as interesting: Parallel but independent innovations in c...
by Ephraim
Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:04 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: English as a Scandinavian language?
Replies: 9
Views: 4190

Re: English as a Scandinavian language?

There was some discussion at the time. Here’s a response by Kristin Bech and George Walkden: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/nordic-journal-of-linguistics/article/english-is-still-a-west-germanic-language/FFF1593D4EC6A2E7D9671595509F0815 Also, here’s some back-and-forth between Faarlund and ...
by Ephraim
Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:32 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4749
Views: 2170885

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

This may sound silly, but I am still somewhat confused about how the perfective aspect works. If the perfective marks verbs as completed and considered in their entirety, does that mean it generally implies past occurrence even in languages without grammatical tense marking? What about future-tense...
by Ephraim
Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:50 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4749
Views: 2170885

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

I myself have noticed that /kw/ and /gw/ for me are [kʷw̥~kʷw] and [kʷw~ɡʷw] respectively for me, i.e. they have a clear semivowel component but the plosive component is also labialized, but this is such a phonetic detail I rarely bother to mark it in transcriptions. That makes sense. A fun exercis...
by Ephraim
Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:43 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Early PIE stops
Replies: 29
Views: 10756

Re: Early PIE stops

Speaking of typology, my understanding is that a system with voiced fricatives contrasting with voiced stops but not with voiceless fricatives at the same point of articulation is very rare, although maybe not unattested. This is from WALS: Approximately another third (33.4%) of the languages survey...
by Ephraim
Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:20 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4749
Views: 2170885

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

You might as well try to say /uu/ and /wu/ are the same. Well, of course they aren’t! However, in narrow transcription, [uu] and [wu] are the same, for precisely the same reason that [ii] and [ji] are the same. I think it's true that there is no well-defined (and generally agreed-upon) language-ind...
by Ephraim
Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:50 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4749
Views: 2170885

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

i'd expect that if this happened, it would soon resolve itself back to having stress on the stem, or towards a stressless language (Ive seen French described as stressless). Stressing the least grammatically salient part of a word is unnatural. imagine if in english we said "THE crew OF four H...
by Ephraim
Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:59 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4749
Views: 2170885

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Did Proto Norse keep the strong initial stres of Proto Germanic? AFAIK, yes. Was it the reason behind phonological changes between Proto Norse and Old Norse? What is the difference between strong initial stress and regular initial stress? Is it just that with a 'strong' stress, the stressed syllabl...
by Ephraim
Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:37 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4749
Views: 2170885

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

How is pitch accent indicated in IPA? IIRC, for Swedish people use either acute/grave accent on the stressed syllable, or they precede the word with 1 / 2 . For Japanese people often use the downstep symbol after the accented syllable. There are many alternative ways. For Swedish I have also seen t...
by Ephraim
Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:42 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Understanding perfective aspect
Replies: 64
Views: 49005

Re: Understanding perfective aspect

The idea that some types of scenarios are prototypically used with the perfective or imperfective, based on their actionality, is of course not incompatible with the idea that the perfective and imperfective have some sort of prototypical semantics that's not related to the actionality of the scenar...
by Ephraim
Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:55 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1417
Views: 470892

Re: English questions

Does anyone else here pronounce initial /kw ɡw/ in English as [kʷʰ ɡʷ~kʷ], i.e. not as two distinct segments but as a single labialized consonant? I'm pretty sure my /kw/ is phonetically [kʷʰ] — it's articulated very quickly, like two sounds superposed on top of each-other, or with only a very brie...
by Ephraim
Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:03 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Understanding perfective aspect
Replies: 64
Views: 49005

Re: Understanding perfective aspect

This thread is, or was originally, about understanding perfective aspect, so I was hoping that I might be able to contribute something on this subject. However, I don't think it's possible to understand aspect without understanding actionality, so I'm going to start with this subject. Something abou...
by Ephraim
Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:28 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Understanding perfective aspect
Replies: 64
Views: 49005

Re: Understanding perfective aspect

You and others have given examples where the exact same action is described as telic or atelic, which suggests at the least that telicity involves the speaker taking a viewpoint. This can easily be conditioned by the language involved. To put it succinctly: If you ask whether or not the sentence &q...
by Ephraim
Tue Aug 31, 2021 2:11 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Understanding perfective aspect
Replies: 64
Views: 49005

Re: Understanding perfective aspect

Can I ask a related, but tangential question? Telicity is often defined in terms of presenting an action as being complete, and perfective verbs carry the meaning of completeness (or boundedness). I'm struggling to see the difference - although there obviously is one. Telicity can be marked by diff...
by Ephraim
Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:17 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Early vs Late Old Norse
Replies: 5
Views: 6189

Re: Early vs Late Old Norse

Icelandic retained -s in the copula well into the second millennium: ek em, þú est, hann/hún/þat es… The Sagas were mostly written in the 1300s and some of them have these forms vs. the -r forms. At least according to Jackson Crawford, the 2sg form *est is actually not attested in Old Icelandic man...