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by Estav
Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:27 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1735
Views: 902355

Re: English questions

Is ‘phonemic vowel length’ a well-defined term? One definition might be that long v. short is a pervasive contrast. Another seems to be that it distinguish at least one pair. My, British, English seems to be in the latter category, with the low yield contrast of bed and baird amongst morphemes. Eve...
by Estav
Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:39 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Nip and tuck
Replies: 5
Views: 4103

Re: Nip and tuck

I don't use it or hear it. I first encountered the combination in the name of the medical drama TV series Nip/Tuck (2003-2010): presumably, its title was meant to be a play on words. I wonder whether "nip and tuck" was ever used as slang for "plastic surgery" before that: it seem...
by Estav
Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:42 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 5107
Views: 2835577

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

French question - how is French liaison typically analyzed? Is it generally posited that the final consonants are in the underlying forms of words that have them, and are elided except before another vowel, or is it generally posited that word-final morphemes have two allomorphs, which are selected...
by Estav
Sat Jun 15, 2024 9:43 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Can "lice" be a collective noun for you?
Replies: 18
Views: 4876

Re: Can "lice" be a collective noun for you?

I don't get the point of this discussion! Isn't lice just the plural of louse ? But I am not a native speaker of English and may have missed something ;) The proposal in the original post is that, despite being etymologically plural, the form "lice" might be reinterpreted as a grammatical...
by Estav
Thu May 23, 2024 1:23 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 5107
Views: 2835577

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

From what can a nominative case suffix or marker develop? Esp. if there were no nominative markers so far and there's few cases to begin with. Maybe a demonstrative or an intensifier? Japanese ga (currently used as a nominative/subject marker, although there's a distinct topic marker wa ) seems to ...
by Estav
Tue May 14, 2024 8:44 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1735
Views: 902355

Re: English questions

Here’s a really interesting English sentence I was presented with recently: 1. If I hadn’t’ve had that cake, it would’ve gone mouldy. I don't know exactly how acceptable I would judge it, but I can imagine hearing it. As far as syntax goes, I remember reading that some linguists have proposed that ...
by Estav
Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:19 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: English 'not' migration
Replies: 8
Views: 2802

Re: English 'not' migration

Before I begin, I don't know if there's a correct term for the phenomenon I'm going to describe here, so I went with migration . Is it me, or is there currently a on-going change in the position of "not" in English sentences? In standard English grammar we all know that "I would not ...
by Estav
Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:56 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Voiced fricatives in Germanic
Replies: 14
Views: 5212

Re: Voiced fricatives in Germanic

I'm aware of Lass's paper and am, as I said, "sympathetic to [the] belief" that West Saxon initial fricatives were voiced, though I think the evidence is insufficient to make a definitive judgement. This is why I talk about the "mainstream belief" that initial fricatives weren't...
by Estav
Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:07 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Voiced fricatives in Germanic
Replies: 14
Views: 5212

Re: Voiced fricatives in Germanic

It has been argued that there was variation between dialects of Old English in the voicing of word-initial fricatives. I am personally sympathetic to this belief, but the mainstream view is that initial fricative voicing in the dialects of Southern England and the the south-western Midlands only oc...
by Estav
Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:43 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Voiced fricatives in Germanic
Replies: 14
Views: 5212

Re: Voiced fricatives in Germanic

As far as I know, Gothic shows no signs of voicing Proto-Germanic *s *ɸ *θ *x *xʷ. Instead, in Gothic [β ð ɣ] functioned as allophones of /b d g/, and Proto-Germanic *z was maintained as a distinct phoneme from *s (setting aside neutralization in word-final position or before an obstruent). So I'm c...
by Estav
Sun Mar 31, 2024 11:15 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Marginal distinctions
Replies: 15
Views: 2820

Re: Marginal distinctions

/ð v b/ elision [...] cannot apply to new words I'm saying I somewhat doubt that this is true, but obviously I can't be certain of that. Of course, you have a better chance of accurately describing your own accent than I do, but I think it's possible that you might not have perfect awareness of eve...
by Estav
Sun Mar 31, 2024 3:04 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Marginal distinctions
Replies: 15
Views: 2820

Re: Marginal distinctions

I have observed that at least in the English here there are complications with regard to the traditional NAE vowel distinctions. For instance, many of the distinctions merged in the Mary - merry - marry merger have been resurrected in a marginal fashion through consonant elisions and resulting vowe...
by Estav
Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:13 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: English questions
Replies: 1735
Views: 902355

Re: English questions

It is normally taken as a given that /t/ before /n/ or /ən/~/ɪn/ in most NAE varieties is realized as [ʔ]. However, I just found a major exception - the present participle* of get , getting , which is commonly /ˈɡɛtən/, which I find is normally realize as [ˈɡ̥ɜɾɘ̃(ː)n] or [ɡ̥ɜnː] in the English I a...
by Estav
Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:51 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 5107
Views: 2835577

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Reading over Hyman's universals paper, he says that he "can see no principled way to rule out" theoretical phoneme inventories like #1 #2 pʰ tʰ kʰ p t k p t k f s x Because Rotokas has /p t k b d g/ (or /p t k β ɾ g/, same thing). But that got me thinking, is it true that all languages ha...
by Estav
Fri Feb 09, 2024 4:03 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 5107
Views: 2835577

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

It's not just acc-. Here are some words in French with /ks/ or /gʒ/. (Sorry, the wordlist I grabbed had no accents.) acceder accelerer accent accepter acces accident occident succeder succes succinct vaccin suggerer These are likely all reborrowings, but that doesn't really explain anything... why ...
by Estav
Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:03 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)
Replies: 164
Views: 364938

Re: Pronunciation of Standard English in America (1919)

[*] Missouri is commonly [mɪzˈuːrɪ], but sometimes [mɪsˈuːrɪ]; the vowel may also be [ʊ] instead of [uː] — i think the only time i've heard it with [uː] is in depeche mode's cover of "route 66", where it sticks out like a sore thumb Interesting, I'd never thought about the pronunciation b...
by Estav
Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:56 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: On syllabification
Replies: 25
Views: 84742

Re: On syllabification

Why can’t we just say “English disprefers lax vowels in final open syllables”? It seems to me that if it’s word-internal and open that it doesn’t really care. You can say that. It's just not obvious that it is correct to analyze words like sitting as starting with an open syllable. The problem isn'...
by Estav
Sun Oct 08, 2023 7:27 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Language change in real time
Replies: 34
Views: 12310

Re: Language change in real time

I think the merger of CURE into FUR /ə˞~ɜ˞/ might not have been complete for my parents or grandparents, but it is for me. "CURE" is a bad lexical set to me because it treats /ʊr/ and /jʊr/ as the same when in fact they behave differently for me, and to my knowledge, for many North Americ...
by Estav
Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:24 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Language change in real time
Replies: 34
Views: 12310

Re: Language change in real time

The /il/ > /Il/ change (e.g. "I fill bad about pilling the skin off electric ills") has gone from redneck coding to almost completely universal in North American English. I can't remember the last American I've met who doesn't do this, and so far not one of them has been aware that they d...
by Estav
Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:43 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Replies: 1959
Views: 5202000

Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

miracle /'mirəkəl/ ['miˑɚ̯ɹ ʋ ɘkɫ̩] illustrate /'ɪləstret/ ['ɪˑɫɘstɹ̥ ʋ ei̯t] irritate /'irətet/ ['iˑɚ̯ɹ ʋ ɘtʰei̯t] South Africa /'sau̯'θæfrəkʌ/ [saʊ̯'θafɹ ʋ ɘkə~saʊ'θafɹ ʋ ɘkʌ] (not homophonous with *"Sow Thafrica" because I pronounce South Africa as one word, with pre-voiceless clipping-...