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by Tropylium
Tue May 28, 2024 5:04 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
Replies: 1045
Views: 1122937

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel

Does anyone have any unconventional ideas on the pronunciation of laryngeals? Since I know people here will at least get a kick out of it: here is one recent article draft / essay by Alexis Manaster Ramer on an "Efficient Theory", which seems to be suggesting vocalic values of laryngeals ...
by Tropylium
Tue May 28, 2024 4:32 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: How did Mapos Buang develop a uvular series?
Replies: 5
Views: 1561

Re: How did Mapos Buang develop a uvular series?

I know nothing about Mapos Buang, but there is an /ⁿɢ/ (and /ⁿqʰ/) also in Hmong.
by Tropylium
Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:24 am
Forum: End Matter
Topic: Uralic
Replies: 1
Views: 2322

Uralic

Since there's activity going on with the Index again, this should be a good place to note a few of my projects & plans (and to remind myself) : 1) I spent the lion's share of the last academic year assembling an overview bibliography on Uralic historical phonology: first version here . (There wa...
by Tropylium
Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:56 am
Forum: End Matter
Topic: The Index Diachronica
Replies: 238
Views: 436594

Re: The Index Diachronica

One more interesting reference I saw a few years ago was a talk Tresoldi (2020) referring to "the case of the Index Diachronica" without much further comment.
by Tropylium
Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:19 am
Forum: End Matter
Topic: Tungusic sound changes
Replies: 26
Views: 9837

Re: Tungusic sound changes

I am not even ankle-deep into Tungusic myself but, if it's anything like the research history of e.g. Uralic, the primary literature is instead going to be very piecemeal things like "I propose the existence of *x, here's what happens to it in the following eight varieties" (the fate in s...
by Tropylium
Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:47 am
Forum: End Matter
Topic: The Index Diachronica
Replies: 238
Views: 436594

Re: The Index Diachronica

Suspect yes.
by Tropylium
Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:19 am
Forum: End Matter
Topic: The Index Diachronica
Replies: 238
Views: 436594

Re: The Index Diachronica

By the way, how many of you have read / browsed Martin Kümmel's Konsonantenwandel (2007, Wiesbaden: Reichert)? At its core it's basically a 300-page Index Diachronica of consonant sound changes in IE + Semitic + Uralic, primarily in order by type of sound change, but already has also a by-language i...
by Tropylium
Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:02 am
Forum: End Matter
Topic: Tungusic sound changes
Replies: 26
Views: 9837

Re: Tungusic sound changes

how reliable is this source? It would be good if you could track down the original source where these sound correspondences were published Yeah fair question, just wanted to put out something to start with (that we might be able to later cite in more detail). And I know the conlangers of the forum ...
by Tropylium
Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:50 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4955
Views: 2354828

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

It's that time of the year again... I have heard multiple people pronounce pączki as [ˈpʰũʔtʃci(ː)] as of late. How in the world do you get from [ɒ̃], which would be close to the original Polish, to [ũ] of all things is beyond me... Spelling pronunciation from "punchkey", i.e. the "P...
by Tropylium
Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:05 pm
Forum: End Matter
Topic: Tungusic sound changes
Replies: 26
Views: 9837

Re: Tungusic sound changes

Since this was asked, here are some outlines of consonant changes, primarily from the materials of an Intro to Tungusology course I took with Janhunen. The original source seems to be some publication (or also course materials?) by Doerfer from sometime between 1973 and 1984. I do not know if the A ...
by Tropylium
Wed Feb 07, 2024 7:15 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4955
Views: 2354828

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

I'm not sure why Wiktionary stopped at 37. They might follow the principle of seeing what is accepted in both of the two published Proto-Afrasian reconstructions; like bradrn's linked paper discusses, there's a different one from Orel & Stolbova, etymology-wise it agrees about almost nothing wi...
by Tropylium
Tue Feb 06, 2024 11:54 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4955
Views: 2354828

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Isn't Afroasiatic mostly defined by shared morphology, with hardly any accepted cognates? The number of 35 is widely bandied around; I note that Wiktionary has 36 Proto-afroasiatic terms. There will probably be way more findable eventually, but it's hard to distinguish matches from noise until ther...
by Tropylium
Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:17 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
Replies: 1045
Views: 1122937

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel

I think the typological universal about the distribution of implosive POAs isn't as much of a problem as it's made out to be - there's close precedent in Maay. (Where did implosives in Maay come from? How well reconstructed is Cushitic?) And there are a few languages with /ɗ/ and no other implosive...
by Tropylium
Tue Feb 06, 2024 9:17 am
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: Random Thread
Replies: 4196
Views: 575991

Re: Random Thread

do consume carrot! is taste good and vitamin and maybe purble ^_^

yes I grew up on Internet forums circa 2000 and I still always think "random" threads are intended to work like this
by Tropylium
Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:22 am
Forum: End Matter
Topic: The Index Diachronica
Replies: 238
Views: 436594

Re: The Index Diachronica

various thoughts I have about how it might be turned into a serious academic resource Straight off it's easy to say though that the most important point for more-than-conlanging usability would be improved sourcing . And I don't mean settling just for giving or requiring "a" source for a ...
by Tropylium
Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:44 am
Forum: End Matter
Topic: The Index Diachronica
Replies: 238
Views: 436594

Re: The Index Diachronica

Does anyone know how to contact Tropylium? I want to ask them what the capital I in the Finnic sound changes means but their last activity here was 2 years ago. I do check back here every … few years … currently, though this would probably have been more often if I knew about this sub-forum — a gre...
by Tropylium
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:12 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Syntax random
Replies: 195
Views: 121625

Re: Syntax random

The point is that sometimes you might expect certain things to be grammatical (for whatever reason), and they aren't—and that naturally leads you to wonder why. No, I don't mean that there's anything bad with this if you already have ended up with an expectation… The original observation I made is ...
by Tropylium
Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:26 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Syntax random
Replies: 195
Views: 121625

Re: Syntax random

some sentences — e.g. ‘on cat the sitting see mat I the’ — are clearly unintelligible, and get rejected as nonsense, so clearly there must be some rule which they are violating. I do not think this follows. If "copybat" is rejected as not being a word, this doesn't mean that there has to ...
by Tropylium
Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:37 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Syntax random
Replies: 195
Views: 121625

Re: Syntax random

Consider the following sequence of sentence: I know that. I know that you know that. I know that you know that I know that. I know that you know that I know that you know that. I know that you know that I know that you know that I know that. … ad infinitum All these sentences are acceptable and gra...
by Tropylium
Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:21 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Syntax random
Replies: 195
Views: 121625

Re: Syntax random

It appears to me that most arguments in theoretical syntax have the form "sentence X is bad/ungrammatical, therefore we shall explain this happening because…". Where does this come from ? This seems to me to be unlike anything else in linguistics. Nobody thinks it needs a particular explan...