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- Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:34 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Representing modality
- Replies: 33
- Views: 15910
Re: Representing modality
- auxiliary verbs ("we should do...") - passive verbs with a subclause ("we are required to do...") - active verbs with a subclause (Arabic istaTa3a 'can' which is followed by a subordinator and a subclause with a subjunctive verb) Just asking, what is the difference between them.
- Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:51 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 841942
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
and then voicing the lenis for an overabundance of voiced consonants what would trigger this tho? Assuming the lenis stop comes from English voiced stops, it's possible that they're not voiceless to begin with. In RP, voiced consonant is partially/optionally devoiced both word initially and word fi...
- Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:51 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 841942
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
and then voicing the lenis for an overabundance of voiced consonants what would trigger this tho? Assuming the lenis stop comes from English voiced stops, it's possible that they're not voiceless to begin with. In RP, voiced consonant is partially/optionally devoiced both word initially and word fi...
- Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:35 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Grammatical Sketch for Classical Sitr
- Replies: 25
- Views: 23094
Re: Grammatical Sketch for Classical Sitr
- Syllable structure: (C)V(C). Any possible medial cluster restriction? There are no definite articles, but there is an archaic definite suffix. The definite suffix is not productive and has become archaic by the time of Classical Sitr and is only seen in some set phrases or some earliest records(i...
- Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:47 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: If natlangs were conlangs
- Replies: 584
- Views: 513831
Re: If natlangs were conlangs
How is that "proper terminology"? Absolutive vs. possessed seems more consistent with how languages around Nahuatl are described whereas "construct" seems to be limited to Afroasiatic and doesn't mean the same thing as possessed in Nahuatl. Usually, absolutive means absolutive c...
- Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:55 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: If natlangs were conlangs
- Replies: 584
- Views: 513831
Re: If natlangs were conlangs
Nahuatl, you should choose a proper terminology, why is the term "Absolutive" and "Possessed" when you can use the term "Non-construct" and "Construct"?
- Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:40 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 3070
- Views: 2941500
Re: Conlang Random Thread
The term possessed is also used for describing Nahuatl noun. Although, it's not considered a case marking. However, given the other form is named absolutive, it's just waiting a unwitting person to call it "case". And in fact, I thought that as Nahuatl case until I read further.
- Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:01 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
- Replies: 1014
- Views: 500109
Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
/dɔʏtʃ/ <doücs> /m n ŋ/ <m n ng> /p b t d k ɡ/ <p b t d k g> /pf ts tʃ/ <pf c cs> /f v s z ʃ ç~x h/ <f v sz z s h h> /j l r~ʀ~ʁ/ <j l r> /ɪ iː ʏ yː ʊ uː/ <i í ü ű u ú> /eː øː oː/ <é/a̋ ő ó> /ɛ ɛː œ ɔ/ <e/ä a̋ ö o> /a a:/ <a á> /aɪ aʊ ɔʏ/ <ai au oü> (The two h is not distiguished) /aɪ̯nst ˈʃtrɪtən zɪ...
- Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:07 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 1782
- Views: 4968211
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Well, which word in English is reduced and what environment is it reduced. All I know is: Some preposition before noun Pronoun adjacent to verbs Possessive pronoun to before verb Definite and indefinite article It's stressed when In V+PP construction Emphasized Are you asking about vowel reduction ...
- Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:59 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: If natlangs were conlangs
- Replies: 584
- Views: 513831
Re: If natlangs were conlangs
It's pronounced as rising in that environment. I'm not sure I agree it's high rising (although there probably are sources that say it is). Whoops sorry, my Mandarin teacher used to say it's pronounced as the second tone. It's actually another simplification, like b and p is pronounced as each other...
- Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:55 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: If natlangs were conlangs
- Replies: 584
- Views: 513831
Re: If natlangs were conlangs
It's pronounced as rising in that environment. I'm not sure I agree it's high rising (although there probably are sources that say it is). Whoops sorry, my Mandarin teacher used to say it's prononounced as the second tone. It's actually another simplification, like b and p is pronounced as each oth...
- Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:33 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: If natlangs were conlangs
- Replies: 584
- Views: 513831
Re: If natlangs were conlangs
My first choice for tones is diacritics that match the tone contour, as in pinyin Though Mandarin is unusually suited to that approach Why do you think this is? and really only if you think of its low tone in terms of the contour it gets when spoken in isolation. This is true. But tone sandhi makes...
- Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:12 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 841942
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
I think /ʔ/ can turn into /ŋ ɴ/ through rhinoglottophilia. Apparently similiar phenomena occurs in Standard Tibetian before velar consonant. (Here, h̩ is actually h with underdot and it's originated from Proto Tibeto-Burma *ʔ) h̩č'am-pa > ñč'ampa h̩t'ag-pa > nt'agpa h̩gul-ba > ŋgul-ba However, this...
- Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:47 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
- Replies: 1782
- Views: 4968211
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Well, which word in English is reduced and what environment is it reduced. All I know is:
- Some preposition before noun
- Pronoun adjacent to verbs
- Possessive pronoun
- to before verb
- Definite and indefinite article
- In V+PP construction
- Emphasized
- Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:17 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 841942
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
No, you must either unconditionally delete the intervocalic semivowels or only /j/ for front vowel or /w/ for unrounded vowel. I’m not quite sure what to do now… Whimemsz has already said almost exactly the opposite. I think I’ll wait for now until a couple more people reply with their opinions. (A...
- Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:05 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
- Replies: 1014
- Views: 500109
Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
For East Suraic: /m p b f t̪ d̪ s̪ n t d ɾ l k g x w j/ <m p b f th dh s n t d r l k g h w i> Palatization is written <Ci> except when the trigger is the previous syllable /i ɨ u e o a/ <i y u e o> Long vowel is written by double letter. Deep - /ɨsjɨ tabja ɨngesiː, ormaːkt̪raj xeleɾuːnd̪ɨn enjtaɾ so...
- Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:52 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
- Replies: 1014
- Views: 500109
Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
/pʰ p tʰ ʈʰ ʈ kʰ k q ʔ <p b t tr dr k g q '>
m n ɳ ɴ <m n nj ng>
ʙ r ʀ <wr r gq>
θ s ʂ ç x <th s sr ch x>
w ɻ j ɰ/ <w rh j wh>
/i y u e̞ o̞ ä/ <i y u e o a>
m n ɳ ɴ <m n nj ng>
ʙ r ʀ <wr r gq>
θ s ʂ ç x <th s sr ch x>
w ɻ j ɰ/ <w rh j wh>
/i y u e̞ o̞ ä/ <i y u e o a>
- Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:50 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1333
- Views: 841942
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
1. Can the glottal stop do anything other than disappearing or turning into /h/? Yes, being treated as voiceless consonant, so if you devoice vowel between voiceless consonant, you can do that. Another way is to combine it with another stop to form an ejective. Or to combine with vowel to form a cr...
- Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:33 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
- Replies: 1014
- Views: 500109
Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
/ɨsjɨ tabja ɨngesiː, ormaːkt̪raj xeleɾuːnd̪ɨn enjtaɾ sol/ Is it really the same text as before? If not so, please give me the surface realization too. (I need both) Oh, no, this one's completely different, sorry. Deep - /ɨsjɨ tabja ɨngesiː, ormaːkt̪raj xeleɾuːnd̪ɨn enjtaɾ sol/ Surface - /ɨʃɨ tabʲa ...
- Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:06 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0
- Replies: 1014
- Views: 500109