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Do you know any way to express "from" without adposition or ablative case? (I saw some african languages uses absence of applicative construction)

Vijay wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 10:17 pm Isn't it Anda in Standard Indonesian?

Andi is male given name

Wait- so the semantic agent of a passive verb can be expressed as a verbal affix in Indonesian!? I had never seen something like that, as usually the agent gets demoted to something that is quite clearly not like a core argument, but what would you know... In languages with Austronesian alignment, ...

Is there any tips in designing preposition sets? This is something I puzzle about, too. One thing: I'm pretty sure adpositions never agree with a subject. (They can agree, but only ever with a complement.) So it looks like you've actually got verbs, not verblike prepositions, fwiw. Well, when used ...

Do you have any resource on making a grammar. Preferably a dependency grammar one. Because it turns out that my language has much more complicated grammar than I thought. It involves nonconfigurationality, for example: Longi í-géekízen k-u-dax Fet Longi 3SG.OBV-say-3SG.OBV COMP-3SG.PROX-hunt Fet Fet...

Is there any tips in designing preposition sets? In my language, it's decided to use preposition instead of relational noun. To make the preposition more unique. I decided to make it more verbal-like. For example: Longi køǿn líén/líéh Longi 0-køøn-◌́́ líén/líéh Longi ɡbaaf køǿn líén/líé (Longi stays...

I also have a problem with B style. It's actually handwrititg-hostile. There's simply too many strokes to make a glyph. You should try to slur it into fewer strokes as possible.

It's much simpler that it sounds. You're probably already using passive to encode topicality. I don't get that impression from his examples where he just uses word order and cases instead... EDIT: Plus it's more complicated than that. Passives don't inherently imply an animacy hierarchy and have no...

Wait- so the semantic agent of a passive verb can be expressed as a verbal affix in Indonesian!? I had never seen something like that, as usually the agent gets demoted to something that is quite clearly not like a core argument, but what would you know... In languages with Austronesian alignment, ...

True enough. I guess the case system would be more to make Kala accessible, or whatever. My favorite approach is to use direct-inverse with a person/animacy/topicality hierarchy with core arguments, so as to free up word order to mark topicality, and to use a limited set of either coverbs or adposi...

I have a story where a person get lost in another world. The world is rather primitive, and speaks another language. How long it takes to learn the local language? Assuming the new person is not linguist. Also in the story, it's actually not rare for a person to get lost to this world.

Are there any natural analogues for quirk? I understand the point of case, and to some extent of gender too. I can see how some verbs might require subjects in different cases to the usual nominative, but verbs and nouns are quite different animals so a category like quirk that affects both seems i...

akam chinjir wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 3:10 am But the question was about languages in which you can't relativise obliques. If you can relativise obliques in Basque and Mandarin, then WALS is wrong about Basque, but it doesn't really help Akangka. (The Mandarin example looks strange to me, though.)

Well, WALS being false is also answer, too.

How do a language with neither oblique relativization nor applicative voice relativize on the non-subject? Using oblique relativization is simple. The child-ren for whom I read a book. Using applicative is roundabout but possible. Anak yang ku-baca-kan buku. But how it's done in Basque, for example...

In my dialect of Indonesian, it seems that possessive suffix is obligatory except for pronoun possessor. This is different from Standard Indonesian that is avoided. For example: Buku Andi (standard) Buku-nya Andi (my dialect) This is from influence from Javanese language, where possessive suffix is ...

Somebody that made Lontara' must learn how to make a conscript. So, your script is to be written on leaves, right? Why is your script full of straight lines? Isn't it tearing the leaves?

How do a language with neither oblique relativization nor applicative voice relativize on the non-subject? Using oblique relativization is simple. You could use a resumptive pronoun in the complement position of the relevant adposition: the child [ RC that I read a book [ PP for him/her ] ] That is...

Curlyjimsam wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 4:41 am It would be interesting to see this sort of reflexive marked on the preposition:

I folded it against-REFL (it) = "I folded it against itself"

Like in Takelma language?

How do a language with neither oblique relativization nor applicative voice relativize on the non-subject? Using oblique relativization is simple. The child-ren for whom I read a book. Using applicative is roundabout but possible. Anak yang ku-baca-kan buku. But how it's done in Basque, for example.

Cool technique. I'll try that method of presentation.