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by Skookum
Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:33 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: What languages are you particularly interested in, and why?
Replies: 29
Views: 20848

Re: What languages are you particularly interested in, and why?

Languages of the Northwest Coast, but Salish languages in particular. Heavily verb-centric morphosyntax, large phonological inventories, complex morphophonology, and really interesting word-formation with lexical suffixes. Plus, the family is fairly well described compared to most other Indigenous N...
by Skookum
Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:56 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Paleo-European languages
Replies: 808
Views: 1023942

Re: Paleo-European languages

But seriously, I offer that example only as a cautionary tale that these kinds of chance resemblances are very likely, even when the phonetics and semantics match extremely well. Be cautious with cautionary tales. While the wider ramifications of Dene-Caucasian may be wrong, Dene-Caucasian may be u...
by Skookum
Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:42 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Paleo-European languages
Replies: 808
Views: 1023942

Re: Paleo-European languages

Now we're talking!
But seriously, I offer that example only as a cautionary tale that these kinds of chance resemblances are very likely, even when the phonetics and semantics match extremely well.
by Skookum
Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:16 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Paleo-European languages
Replies: 808
Views: 1023942

Re: Paleo-European languages

There is more to be said about the hypothetical PWC *ʁ́Iʷǝƛ̣ʷV 'iron'. Since several authors relate the Hatti language to WC (see, e.g., Ivanov 1985), it seems very tempting to relate *ʁ́Iʷǝƛ̣ʷV to the attested Hatti name for 'iron', χap/walki (with χVw- rendering *ʁ́Iʷ- and -lk- rendering the late...
by Skookum
Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:27 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Paleo-European languages
Replies: 808
Views: 1023942

Re: Paleo-European languages

It'd distance you from the disbelief that automatically greets 'proto-NC', and perhaps even get you some of the sympathy shown towards proto-Pontic. I don't support Colarusso's Pontic, although PIE has some WC loanwords, namely the numeral '2'. There's also a Wanderwort found in Hattic χa-palki , H...
by Skookum
Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:39 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Paleo-European languages
Replies: 808
Views: 1023942

Re: Paleo-European languages

I would note that the Glottalic Theory has ejectives developing into voiced stops in most of IE, so having reconstructed ejectives where one might expect plain voiced stops might not be as weird as it seems. Interestingly this is attested in the Northeast Caucasian family. But this still leaves the...
by Skookum
Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:40 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Paleo-European languages
Replies: 808
Views: 1023942

Re: Paleo-European languages

I just can't imagine a scenario where a language would borrow an alveolar ejective affricate as a palatal glide, or vice versa. I presume it's the ejectivity you're unhappy about. There are quite a few words where Thai has borrowed English /dʒ-/ as /j-/ ( German , jam and jean(s) off the top of my ...
by Skookum
Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:43 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Paleo-European languages
Replies: 808
Views: 1023942

Re: Paleo-European languages

I just can't imagine a scenario where a language would borrow an alveolar ejective affricate as a palatal glide, or vice versa.
by Skookum
Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:31 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Paleo-European languages
Replies: 808
Views: 1023942

Re: Paleo-European languages

Having "the best brain" isn't necessary if you have a useful theory and methodology.
by Skookum
Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:14 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Paleo-European languages
Replies: 808
Views: 1023942

Re: Paleo-European languages

I actually agree that the tree model is an oversimplification (for all language families, not just IE), but I'm not sure I understand the leap from that to "all modern IE languages don't descend from a single ancestral protolanguage".
by Skookum
Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:18 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
Replies: 1045
Views: 1120781

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel

My understanding is that the Ukrainian/Russian steppe was originally home to Iranian languages, which were then replaced by Turkic languages, then by Slavic. This is an oversimplification, since Gothic, Hungarian, and Mongolian speakers also lived in this area at various points, but the general answ...
by Skookum
Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:00 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Paleo-European languages
Replies: 808
Views: 1023942

Re: Paleo-European languages

As regarding the glottalic theory, I found some interesting correspondences between Starostin's Proto-Caucasian and IE. In addition to *Hnǝ̄-ttsˀwē/*ttsˀwǝ̄-nHē 'reed, cane' ~ IE *nedo- 'reed, rush' and *don- 'reed', there's *ttsˀænɁV 'new' ~ IE *ǵenh 1 - 'to gave birth; to be born'. So "Proto...
by Skookum
Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:38 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Paleo-European languages
Replies: 808
Views: 1023942

Re: Paleo-European languages

I'm not very knowledgeable on IE but I found this paper fascinating. I think he overdoes it a little bit at the end comparing Germanic *wisund 'bison' with OPruss. wissambs’ , Lith. stumbras , Latv. sumbrs, sūbrs and OCS zǫbrь . The possible link between the pre-Germanic and pre-Greek substrates sug...
by Skookum
Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:00 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel
Replies: 1045
Views: 1120781

Re: The Great Proto-Indo-European Thread's Sequel

There's no reason why we shouldn't expect proto-languages to contain loanwords, and I'm not sure why that would invalidate the existence of a single PIE that all IE languages descend from...