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- Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:27 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Neogrammarian sound change and lexical diffusion side by side
- Replies: 19
- Views: 3280
Re: Neogrammarian sound change and lexical diffusion side by side
It seems suspicious that in English, word-initial /ð/ is limited to function words, leaving /θ/ for everything else. I was going to mention English as a shockingly similar parallel, but my googling surprisingly didn't turn up anything on the historical process involved. It does seem that the Englis...
- Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:42 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Neogrammarian sound change and lexical diffusion side by side
- Replies: 19
- Views: 3280
Re: Neogrammarian sound change and lexical diffusion side by side
Posting this here because it seems to me that grammatically/morphologically conditioned sound changes can be considered a subset of lexically diffused sound changes, i.e., ones that never spread beyond a particular morphological context. Now, explanations of this type seem to have fallen out of favo...
- Fri May 13, 2022 7:12 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Do any Athabaskan languages reduce the 3 way stop contrast?
- Replies: 3
- Views: 3827
Re: Do any Athabaskan languages reduce the 3 way stop contrast?
I'm not 100% sure but I don't think there are any languages that have lost the three-way constrast. Ejectives seem to be quite stable in other Pacific Northwest Coast language families, such as Wakashan and Salishan. For instance, Proto-Wakashan is reconstructed with a voiced-voiceless-ejective dist...
- Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:27 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Growing weary of archaeogenetics
- Replies: 49
- Views: 18712
Re: Growing weary of archaeogenetics
I guess I just meant that I'm not sure how reliable the dating of protolanguages/linguistic diversification is, unless we're talking about protolanguages that have strong evidence of being spoken by a particular archaeological culture (like maybe Yamnaya and PIE). But you could really make the same ...
- Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:17 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Growing weary of archaeogenetics
- Replies: 49
- Views: 18712
Re: Growing weary of archaeogenetics
I find this is a problem when it comes to arguments about the settlement of the Americas as well, where it seems extremely difficult (or maybe impossible) to correlate the lack of genetic diversity with the overwhelming linguistic diversity. Why? Even in the lowest genetic diversity scenario, most ...
- Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:21 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Growing weary of archaeogenetics
- Replies: 49
- Views: 18712
Re: Growing weary of archaeogenetics
I find this is a problem when it comes to arguments about the settlement of the Americas as well, where it seems extremely difficult (or maybe impossible) to correlate the lack of genetic diversity with the overwhelming linguistic diversity.
- Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:39 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: So, not to sound like a crank, but... I find a lot of details about reconstructed PIE a little hard to believe
- Replies: 65
- Views: 36699
Re: So, not to sound like a crank, but... I find a lot of details about reconstructed PIE a little hard to believe
But then again, how likely is it for glottalised consonants (I’m thinking ejectives here) to become voiceless? They’re on opposite sides of the continuum, after all. Just speculation, but I don't think it's that unlikely from an acoustic point of view. In some languages ejectives are weak and can b...
- Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:58 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The oddities of Basque
- Replies: 467
- Views: 2496110
Re: The oddities of Basque
No
- Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:50 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The oddities of Basque
- Replies: 467
- Views: 2496110
Re: The oddities of Basque
It's a... vaguely plausible semantic development, which is partly-attested in Japanese — the element 焼く、焼き ( yaku, yaki ) which means "burn, cook, heat up", note 日焼き hiyaki , which can mean "sunburn" and "suntan", and also "discolouring owing to exposure to the su...
- Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:35 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The oddities of Basque
- Replies: 467
- Views: 2496110
Re: The oddities of Basque
Do you assume PIE loaned the N-D word for "warm" and then derived meh2lo- "apple" from it? That's right. What puzzles me is apparently the "laryngeal" underwent metathesis twice , one in EC and other in IE. Maybe because the words are lookalikes and actually don't have...
- Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:23 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The oddities of Basque
- Replies: 467
- Views: 2496110
Re: The oddities of Basque
As with modern IE languages, PIE had a very productive derivational morphology, and its traces are all over its modern-day descendants. So you're basically saying PIE behaves like a conlang, are you? Really confused by what you mean by this, since derivation is a process in all natural languages as...
- Sat Sep 04, 2021 3:36 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The oddities of Basque
- Replies: 467
- Views: 2496110
Re: The oddities of Basque
I know Burushaski báalt "apple, apple tree" is sometimes connected to the IE forms, but this gets us even further away from Western-IE so its probably just a coincidence.
- Sat Sep 04, 2021 10:38 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Mixtecan thread
- Replies: 21
- Views: 20476
Re: Mixtecan thread
Oh yeah I see now that theres a palatalized alveolar in the word for "slippery". It seems significant that Proto-Mixtecan plain alveolars go to Proto-Amuzgo velarized ones. Do you have any theory about the origin of the palatalized series?
- Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:19 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Mixtecan thread
- Replies: 21
- Views: 20476
Re: Mixtecan thread
I know nothing about Mixtecan but you've made me want to learn more so I'd say thats a good sign. I'm always interested in learning more about the historical linguistics of indigenous languages of the Americas but I'm much more familiar with the Northwest Coast, so some of my questions here might be...
- Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:55 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The oddities of Basque
- Replies: 467
- Views: 2496110
Re: The oddities of Basque
Well, he didn't quote any forms there, that's what I'm interested in. PNWC (Abkhaz-Adyge) *tˀqˀ w ə '2' -> PIE *dwe-h 3 (u) '2' ( *-h 3 (u) is a dual marker suffix). PNEC (Nakh-Daghestanian) *fimkˀwV 'fist' -> PIE *penk w e '5'. The NEC connection is interesting, but what is the argument that PIE b...
- Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:19 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The oddities of Basque
- Replies: 467
- Views: 2496110
Re: The oddities of Basque
Simply. There's no way the +2000 lexical items reconstructed for "PIE" actually came at once from a single protolanguage. :) I don't follow your logic here. Natural languages have tens of thousands of words. The point with most proto-languages is rather the opposite - we are only able to ...
- Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:08 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Weird sound changes
- Replies: 22
- Views: 11398
Re: Weird sound changes
Apparently *s > n is attested in Arapaho, but I don't know any theories about what the intermediate steps, if any, were. Plains Algonquian languages in general have a ton of really bizarre sound changes. https://www.academia.edu/2107195/The_sound_change_s_n_in_Arapaho Guess I should have just googl...
- Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:41 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Weird sound changes
- Replies: 22
- Views: 11398
Re: Weird sound changes
Apparently *s > n is attested in Arapaho, but I don't know any theories about what the intermediate steps, if any, were. Plains Algonquian languages in general have a ton of really bizarre sound changes.
- Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:36 am
- Forum: End Matter
- Topic: The Index Diachronica
- Replies: 221
- Views: 399144
Re: The Index Diachronica
(and probably Nivkh to the extent that that's possible) Relatedly, does anyone know the state of Dené–Yeniseian? From what I’ve heard it sounds like one of the better-accepted ‘macrofamilies’, but I don’t know how comprehensive the reconstruction is yet. Also we should consider Austro–Tai, though i...
- Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:33 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: What languages are you particularly interested in, and why?
- Replies: 29
- Views: 20640
Re: What languages are you particularly interested in, and why?
Languages of the Northwest Coast, but Salish languages in particular. Heavily verb-centric morphosyntax, large phonological inventories, complex morphophonology, and really interesting word-formation with lexical suffixes. Plus, the family is fairly well described compared to most other Indigenous N...