Zompist Bboard Again

Thanks! Maybe k > ʔ (as in Wutung and Gimi) > 0 [recently? only for certain speakers?] but I agree that it's a little dubious. Especially given the high functional load /k/ would have. /k/ seems to usually be the most common consonant in LP languages so it would be weird to just drop it. Although t...

where? I've been unable to find any documentation of Biritai It's in two papers by Mark Donohue. The first one co-authored with Bill Ross in 2011, which adds /j w/ to the consonants, and the second (actually a talk i think) is from 2017. I'm pretty sceptical of the claim myself given that in all th...

I just read that Biritai, a Lakes Plain language, apparently has the following phonemic inventory: /b t d/ /ɸ s/ /i ɯ u/ /e/ /ɛ ɔ/ /a/ Which means it's possibly the only language in the world with just five consonants (?) Is "Biritai" an exonym? I'd assume not. Most Lakes Plain languages ...

I just read that Biritai, a Lakes Plain language, apparently has the following phonemic inventory:

/b t d/
/ɸ s/

/i ɯ u/
/e/
/ɛ ɔ/
/a/

Which means it's possibly the only language in the world with just five consonants (?)

Nasal dissimilation

月夜見
にみ
[ɟmi]
dymi

peel [ˈpʰɪə̯ɫʷ] pill [ˈpʰiɫʷ] pull [ˈpʰʊɫʷ] pool [ˈpʰʊu̯ɫʷ] Paul [ˈpʰʊu̯ɫʷ] This surprises me a bit. I was under the impression that /l/-vocalisation was near-universal in AuE. Hmm... I'm from SA which is apparently a less strong accent than the other states. And I probably vary between [ɫʷ ~ ʟʷ ~ ...

peel [ˈpʰɪə̯ɫʷ]
pill [ˈpʰiɫʷ]
pull [ˈpʰʊɫʷ]
pool [ˈpʰʊu̯ɫʷ]
Paul [ˈpʰʊu̯ɫʷ]

Wẽ’ biho’hahãhõbote ya’hã [wɛ̃́ bìhɔ́hàhã̀hɔ̃̀bɔ̀tɛ̀ jáhã̀] we’N b-i-ho’<h>a-haNhoN-bo-te ya’haN cassowary IRREAL-3.SUBJ-hold.PL-cloth-MOVING-DAYTIME NEG “Cassowaries never wear clothes.” E’yohõ’ tu’memo’a’hãhoãbo. [ɛ́jɔ̀hɔ̃́ túmɛ̃̀mɔ̃́áhã̀hɔ̀ã̀bɔ̀] e’yoho’N t-u’-boN-e-bo’N-a’haNhoaN-bo dog IRREAL-...

I had fun too, although tbh I'm kinda surprised how little the text changed overall. For sure we should do it again.

Fortition of ʀ → χ

[d͡ʑœ̃õ̯χõ]
jeonron
'charcoal, ash'

Reduplication for emphasis, as well as spelling reform

[ɕũɕũ]
hyun-hyun
'burnt, blackened'

ɕcɕ → ɕː

[ɕːũ]
hyōbhan
'black, dark colour; burnt'

Don't want to seem pushy, but any word on how this is going?

/ɛlaʃ s̺͇uɾajekɛʃ/ ⟨élac surayégec⟩ /p~m t̪~n̪ t̺͇~n̺͇ tʃ~ɲ k~ŋ/ ⟨b dz d j g⟩ /f s̪ s̺͇ ʃ x h/ ⟨f sz s c x h⟩ /w j/ ⟨w y⟩ /ɾ l/ ⟨r l⟩ /i a e ɛ o u/ ⟨i a é e o u⟩ /ĩ ã ẽ ɛ̃ õ ũ/ ⟨in an én en on un⟩ Aa Bb Cc Dd Ee Éé Ff Gg Hh Ii Jj Ll Nn Oo Rr Ss Uu Ww Xx Yy Zz I feel like voiced plosives are probably...

Vowels denasalised before a nasal consonant

[zymˈmɑ̃]
zhiunman
"person, human"

Stress shift to the final syllable

[ⁿʑỹɴ.ˈmã]
zhiunman
"person"

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:03 am

Darren wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 12:43 am ʎʎ > ɟ͡ʝ

Is that a terribly plausible sound change?

I think so. Sicilian has /ʎː/ > /ɟː/ which is close enough as makes no difference.

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ɛ̃ > ã

[ˈɟ͡ʝyː.mã]
llyumen
Guy, dude.

ʎʎ > ɟ͡ʝ

[ɟ͡ʝy.mɛ̃]
llyuen
Guy, dude.

/iu/ → /ju/

[əˈʎju.wɛ̃]
Oliuren, oliuren
An archaic proper name; guy, dude.

atonic [ɔ] > [ə]

[əˈʎiu.rɛ̃]
Oliuren, oliuren
A proper name, (col.) guy, dude.