Zompist Bboard Again

It seems one thing that AusE has in common with the English I'm familiar with is significant l-coloring of vowels. E.g. /ɛ ɪ oʊ ʊ u/ (I'd synchronically consider them /ɜ ɨ o ʊ u/) all undergo l-coloring, in that /ɛ ɪ/ are retracted and fronting of /oʊ ʊ u/ is blocked before /l/ even when following ...

What Darren describes as [ɐu̯] I have only before vowels, and I perceive it as an allophone of GOAT. (I didn't even notice there was a difference between [ɐy̯] and [ɐu̯] until it was pointed out to me.) GOAL is [ɒX], where [X] is some weird rounded glide that's different from [u̯] in a way that I d...

When people speak of GOAT versus GOAL, is this really a phonemic contrast, or is this like my [ɑɔ̯] versus [ʌ̆ŏ̯] for MOUTH, which are entirely predictable, in that GOAL is pre-lateral and pre-vocalic while GOAT is found elsewhere? There's a contrast with morpheme boundaries; "holy" [ˈhɐy...

I've heard Australians with /oə/. Sometimes it sounds like it might even be /oː.ə/ (THOUGHT + schwa). That's not what's in "known", though. I've never heard anyone with that Australian has two alternants for "known"; /ˈnɐy̯n/ (with GOAT) and /ˈnɐu̯ən/ (bisyllabic, with GOAL and ...

Some Australians and New Zealanders (but not me) pronounce "known" as two syllables. I don't know if this applies to other past participles. Isn't that just a falling diphthong ending in a schwa that preceeds the "n"? JAL /oə̯/ is very much non-Australian. More a midlands sort o...

Ddy laengwidçis yf ddy Britisç Ajyls sçêr y nymbyr yf ffonolodçicyl treits wiç dywnt lend ddymsselfs ty streitffôrwyrd reprisenteisçyn in ddy Laetin aelffybet, byt wiç haef ôlredi bin ydrest in ssyç laengwidçis aes Cornisç aend Welsç. Hwai rijinfent ddy hwijl? Aet eni reit its not aidenticyl ty Wel...

There's two different things at play for me - 1) the use of he/she to reflect an animal's sex, and 2) the use of he/she as a vague sort of animacy-increasing device. (1) is pretty simple; higher animals with known sex can take he/she, although not invariably, and less often if they're a working anim...

Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:02 pm

Darren wrote: ↑Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:49 pm

Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:47 pm (After a nasal I realize initial /ð/ as [n̪] regardless of register

Can I get an example?

/ˈju.kən.ˈsi.ət.ənˌðɪsˌɪɡˈzæm.pəl/
[ˈjy.kn̩.ˈtsiː.ɘʔ.ɘ̃ːn̪ˌn̪ɪ̈sˌɪ̈ːkˈsɛ̃̆ə̯̃̆m.pɯ]
You can see it in this example.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:47 pm (After a nasal I realize initial /ð/ as [n̪] regardless of register

Can I get an example?

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 11:26 pm Any progress on this, perchance…?

I prodded Emily 17 days ago with a dm and she's seen it although not replied (I shall never recover from this)

Lērisama wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 5:48 am

Man in Space wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 7:32 pm I’m reading the SCK and the sentence “It’s their huts that the goblins want to sell near Borridge” is asterisked. That’s completely licit for me.

And for me, I think

And for me, but only if I don't think, oddly enough.

Penny's referring to the loss of the nominative plural in feminine nouns in proto-Romance. Latin -A -AM -AE -ĀS should give proto-Romance *-a -a -e -as but instead all descendants, including those that retained case, reflect *-a -a -as -as . His theory is that this happened because having a case dis...

The thing is not having plain velar but having labiovelar and uvular consonants is not the same as not having consonants back of palatal at all. The former is far less weird typologically than the latter. I was taking /pʷ mʷ/ to be [kpʷ ŋmʷ] and I've seen Klao analysed as having /p b t d c ɟ kp gb/...

Nuxalk (29 consonants and no plain velars) ‽ Well, I mean, it makes perfect sense in historical terms, but I’m slightly shocked to discover there’s a language which actually does that. (Come to think of it, there’s probably at least one Australian language which does that too.) It's areally fairly ...

The revised version makes more sense with basically a contrast of front vs. rounded velar, like Nuxalk (29 consonants and no plain velars), only the rounded velars have prominent labial articulation. And anyway if he wants a conlang without velars that's absolutely fine. In any case: /p pʲ t c pʷ/ <...

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 10:40 am

WeepingElf wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 10:05 am Where are the velars?

Seconded -- having at least one velar consonant is practically a universal.

There's a surprising amount of languages in New Guinea and South America without velars (or at least without the main ones, they often have /w/ or something boring like that)

Like most things in English it is a schwa And where's your stress if I may ask? Travis has it penultimate, but that obscures the "anti". JAL Barring dialectal differences, the same as Travis's. It's not something I'd regularly parse as anti-fa (if I did it would be more like /ˈæntiˌfɑː/ i...

How do you pronounce "antifa"? I realized I have no idea of its English realization, as "fa" is short for "fascist", but the "fa" of "fascist" can't typically end a word (in Dutch we have no such problem, as we have /fa/, for the first syllable of f...

Some pretty horrible news today. I got pulled over for speeding and now I face significant (for someone in my precarious position anyway) legal and financial trouble. The cop claimed I was driving 80 MPH (~130 KPH) in a 45 MPH (~70 KPH) zone which makes this a serious misdemeanor. Not only will thi...

The lack of aspiration is because it is not at the start of a stressed or initial syllable. Note that fortis-lenis pairs generally neutralize in the dialect here in non-initial members of obstruent clusters except where they begin a stressed syllable (as they lack a preceding vowel to undergo vowel...