Papua Indonesian:
dong (from de+orang he+human) they
kitong (from kita+orang we+human) we
These are similar to Tok Pisin mipela and yupela, I think.
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- Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:04 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
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- Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:41 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
Supposing that the class marker is some kind of noun class/gender/theme vowel that depends on the root in question, I think it should be closer to the root. But theme vowels in particular are known to show up in unexpected places. I wouldn't worry to much about the neutralization in the construct st...
- Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:52 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
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Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
A word tone system I don’t believe this is all that common either. I seem to recall that the van Zanten & Dol chapter on Stress and pitch accent ( here ) made that conclusion, but I might be wrong. Rich morphology (concatenative/non-concatenative) This is the case for many families, but not TNG...
- Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:52 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
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Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
My personal Papuan prototype includes the following: Small consonant inventory (no/few fricatives) Prenasalized voiced stops or weak implosives (might be allophones) One super-rare consonant (like a bilabial trill, a velar lateral) Five vowels + length A word tone system Simple to moderately simple ...
- Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:19 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
Also bound verb (root)s is a term sometimes used for verb roots that cannot occur without affixes.
- Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:41 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Tamil as an Indic language
- Replies: 31
- Views: 14094
Re: Tamil as an Indic language
Turksprachen (Turkic) -> Indsprachen (Indic)
- Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:49 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Tamil as an Indic language
- Replies: 31
- Views: 14094
Re: Tamil as an Indic language
What does Indic mean? Is it a Sprachbund/linguistic area?
- Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:39 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
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Re: Conlang Random Thread
The construction looks very sensible. I am almost 100% sure there is a natlang precedent. What's the problem?
- Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:26 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Topolects and "Standard" Language
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Re: Topolects and "Standard" Language
IIUC, maybe Egyptian Arabic is what you are looking for?
- Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:47 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
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Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
I recently read a paper that described the emergence of new phonemes by first deriving allophones and then stabilizing them through loanwords (amongst other). Looks like this is happning for geminates in your lect.
- Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:13 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Creoles' Morphology
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- Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:09 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Graphemic space
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- Views: 5270
Re: Graphemic space
I think graphemes and vowel phonemes are similar in that they are not points in space but clouds. Each realization is a bit different. And vowel clouds frequently overlap even in languages with three vowel phonemes, e.g. Kabardian. Of course, but I wasn’t claiming that vowel clouds never overlap. J...
- Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:49 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Graphemic space
- Replies: 15
- Views: 5270
Re: Graphemic space
I think it's similar for graphemes and vowel phonemes. There is a tendency for them to be as different as possible (by exploiting given parameters) but it's just a tendency. Vowel phoneme clouds overlap (even in languages with small vowel phoneme inventories) and graphemes are somtimes surprisingly...
- Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:42 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Graphemic space
- Replies: 15
- Views: 5270
Re: Graphemic space
I think it's similar for graphemes and vowel phonemes. There is a tendency for them to be as different as possible (by exploiting given parameters) but it's just a tendency. Vowel phoneme clouds overlap (even in languages with small vowel phoneme inventories) and graphemes are somtimes surprisingly ...
- Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:53 pm
- Forum: Ephemera
- Topic: Random Thread
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- Views: 565534
Re: Random Thread
Some countries seem to escape this, but I don't know how. (For instance Germany manages to keep the AfD under control. It's worryingly high but under control. Well, there's still the 1933-1945 experience. This still helps to concentrate minds, especially not to underestimate seemingly crazy people ...
- Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:06 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: So, not to sound like a crank, but... I find a lot of details about reconstructed PIE a little hard to believe
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Re: So, not to sound like a crank, but... I find a lot of details about reconstructed PIE a little hard to believe
I was thinking about a grand compromise, but it's a bit tongue-in-cheek:
Thorn: [-voiced,-glottalized]
Tyr: [-aspirated,-long]
Dag: [-glottalized,-long]
Thorn: [-voiced,-glottalized]
Tyr: [-aspirated,-long]
Dag: [-glottalized,-long]
- Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:36 pm
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Questions of nomenclature
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- Views: 3968
Re: Questions of nomenclature
1. A 'paradigm cell' is what I have seen, but also simply a 'member' of a paradigm.
2. I have seen the term 'lexical category' used for nouns and verbs. This leaves 'inflectional category' for case.
2. I have seen the term 'lexical category' used for nouns and verbs. This leaves 'inflectional category' for case.
- Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:01 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
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- Views: 2344637
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
If by vowel breaking you mean diphthongization, I am pretty sure it happened in some Bantu language.
- Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:38 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: The oddities of Basque
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Re: The oddities of Basque
Just to interject, why are reconstructions like *(mb,p)(i,u)t(iu)C 'fingernail', *k(a,o)nd(a,o)[C] 'foot, lower leg', *[si]si, *siti, *pisi 'urine' entertained or even accepted for Proto-Trans–New Guinean, but we are nitpicking Talskubilos for some metathesis here and there? Put differently, why ar...
- Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:30 am
- Forum: Languages
- Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
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- Views: 2344637
Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Depends. In phonological or broad transcription, most people use the high tone mark on the accented syllable, IINM. Depending on the analysis, some people also use full blown tone marks on all syllables, the primary stress mark before the accented syllable or the downstep symbol after the accented. ...