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by Creyeditor
Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:04 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4924
Views: 2344637

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Papua Indonesian:
dong (from de+orang he+human) they
kitong (from kita+orang we+human) we

These are similar to Tok Pisin mipela and yupela, I think.
by Creyeditor
Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:41 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 3231
Views: 2989369

Re: Conlang Random Thread

Supposing that the class marker is some kind of noun class/gender/theme vowel that depends on the root in question, I think it should be closer to the root. But theme vowels in particular are known to show up in unexpected places. I wouldn't worry to much about the neutralization in the construct st...
by Creyeditor
Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:52 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4924
Views: 2344637

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

A word tone system I don’t believe this is all that common either. I seem to recall that the van Zanten & Dol chapter on Stress and pitch accent ( here ) made that conclusion, but I might be wrong. Rich morphology (concatenative/non-concatenative) This is the case for many families, but not TNG...
by Creyeditor
Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:52 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4924
Views: 2344637

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

My personal Papuan prototype includes the following: Small consonant inventory (no/few fricatives) Prenasalized voiced stops or weak implosives (might be allophones) One super-rare consonant (like a bilabial trill, a velar lateral) Five vowels + length A word tone system Simple to moderately simple ...
by Creyeditor
Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:19 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 3231
Views: 2989369

Re: Conlang Random Thread

Also bound verb (root)s is a term sometimes used for verb roots that cannot occur without affixes.
by Creyeditor
Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:41 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Tamil as an Indic language
Replies: 31
Views: 14094

Re: Tamil as an Indic language

Turksprachen (Turkic) -> Indsprachen (Indic) :lol:
by Creyeditor
Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:49 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Tamil as an Indic language
Replies: 31
Views: 14094

Re: Tamil as an Indic language

What does Indic mean? Is it a Sprachbund/linguistic area?
by Creyeditor
Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:39 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 3231
Views: 2989369

Re: Conlang Random Thread

The construction looks very sensible. I am almost 100% sure there is a natlang precedent. What's the problem?
by Creyeditor
Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:26 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Topolects and "Standard" Language
Replies: 12
Views: 5296

Re: Topolects and "Standard" Language

IIUC, maybe Egyptian Arabic is what you are looking for?
by Creyeditor
Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:47 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4924
Views: 2344637

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

I recently read a paper that described the emergence of new phonemes by first deriving allophones and then stabilizing them through loanwords (amongst other). Looks like this is happning for geminates in your lect.
by Creyeditor
Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:13 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Creoles' Morphology
Replies: 42
Views: 17318

Re: Creoles' Morphology

Yes
by Creyeditor
Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:09 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Graphemic space
Replies: 15
Views: 5270

Re: Graphemic space

I think graphemes and vowel phonemes are similar in that they are not points in space but clouds. Each realization is a bit different. And vowel clouds frequently overlap even in languages with three vowel phonemes, e.g. Kabardian. Of course, but I wasn’t claiming that vowel clouds never overlap. J...
by Creyeditor
Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:49 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Graphemic space
Replies: 15
Views: 5270

Re: Graphemic space

I think it's similar for graphemes and vowel phonemes. There is a tendency for them to be as different as possible (by exploiting given parameters) but it's just a tendency. Vowel phoneme clouds overlap (even in languages with small vowel phoneme inventories) and graphemes are somtimes surprisingly...
by Creyeditor
Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:42 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Graphemic space
Replies: 15
Views: 5270

Re: Graphemic space

I think it's similar for graphemes and vowel phonemes. There is a tendency for them to be as different as possible (by exploiting given parameters) but it's just a tendency. Vowel phoneme clouds overlap (even in languages with small vowel phoneme inventories) and graphemes are somtimes surprisingly ...
by Creyeditor
Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:53 pm
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: Random Thread
Replies: 4015
Views: 565534

Re: Random Thread

Some countries seem to escape this, but I don't know how. (For instance Germany manages to keep the AfD under control. It's worryingly high but under control. Well, there's still the 1933-1945 experience. This still helps to concentrate minds, especially not to underestimate seemingly crazy people ...
by Creyeditor
Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:06 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: So, not to sound like a crank, but... I find a lot of details about reconstructed PIE a little hard to believe
Replies: 65
Views: 37209

Re: So, not to sound like a crank, but... I find a lot of details about reconstructed PIE a little hard to believe

I was thinking about a grand compromise, but it's a bit tongue-in-cheek:

Thorn: [-voiced,-glottalized]
Tyr: [-aspirated,-long]
Dag: [-glottalized,-long]
by Creyeditor
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:36 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Questions of nomenclature
Replies: 8
Views: 3968

Re: Questions of nomenclature

1. A 'paradigm cell' is what I have seen, but also simply a 'member' of a paradigm.
2. I have seen the term 'lexical category' used for nouns and verbs. This leaves 'inflectional category' for case.
by Creyeditor
Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:01 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4924
Views: 2344637

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

If by vowel breaking you mean diphthongization, I am pretty sure it happened in some Bantu language.
by Creyeditor
Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:38 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: The oddities of Basque
Replies: 471
Views: 2506906

Re: The oddities of Basque

Just to interject, why are reconstructions like *(mb,p)(i,u)t(iu)C 'fingernail', *k(a,o)nd(a,o)[C] 'foot, lower leg', *[si]si, *siti, *pisi 'urine' entertained or even accepted for Proto-Trans–New Guinean, but we are nitpicking Talskubilos for some metathesis here and there? Put differently, why ar...
by Creyeditor
Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:30 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4924
Views: 2344637

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Depends. In phonological or broad transcription, most people use the high tone mark on the accented syllable, IINM. Depending on the analysis, some people also use full blown tone marks on all syllables, the primary stress mark before the accented syllable or the downstep symbol after the accented. ...