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by Creyeditor
Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:20 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Yes, and there are some lexical differences between the audio and the subtitle, as you might have noticed.
by Creyeditor
Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:55 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Try listening to "upin&ipin" (e.g. here) vs. the Indonesian dub of Doraemon (e.g. here). I did not do any measurements, but impressionistically there is a stronger prasal stress and more utterance final rising in the former than the latter.
by Creyeditor
Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:22 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

I can only speak for the Indonesian side here. Standard Indonesian (SI) is similar enough to Standard Malay to allow Indonesians to read Malay texts (apart from a few false friends that cause a lot of laughter). The well-known children cartoon 'Upin dan ipin' which uses some kind of standardized col...
by Creyeditor
Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:54 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Transitive form of intransitive verbs
Replies: 10
Views: 3425

Re: Transitive form of intransitive verbs

Not really sure if there is a clear natlang precedent, but an applicative could also add an experiencer. "It blues me" would mean something like "It looks blue to me" or "I see it being blue."
by Creyeditor
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:09 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

You should have a look at Bantu tone languages. All have H (and L), a lot have additional HL and some allow LH. Alternatively, you could look at West African tone languages in general.
by Creyeditor
Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:34 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

And Medieval Korean lost vowel harmony! Man, those Europeans really got around. You're being ironic, but Richard W's post is unironic and serious... You're all ignoring the null hypothesis, or "pulling a Taskubilos." There are three ways that a non-European language exposed to European la...
by Creyeditor
Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:24 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

And Medieval Korean lost vowel harmony! Man, those Europeans really got around. You're being ironic, but Richard W's post is unironic and serious... Also serious is Arabic gaining a high use of a preposition meaning "by X" with passive verbs (من قبل min qabli X, literally "from befor...
by Creyeditor
Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:10 am
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: Another one for the sf fans
Replies: 6
Views: 3280

Re: Another one for the sf fans

tvtropes.org says: A typical plot involves the humans fighting the Proud Warrior Race Guys until one or the other stumbles upon the ruins of the Neglectful Precursor civilization and unleashes the evil third race. Then a bunch of people die, there are lots of cool explosions, and the first two races...
by Creyeditor
Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:22 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

At any rate, I’ve heard that at least Standard Indonesian is very heavily influenced by IE (especially Germanic) languages, but I’m not sure to what extent that’s true for Papua Indonesian. Do you have a source for that? I'm now doing advanced lessons of Bahasa Indonesia, and while there are lots o...
by Creyeditor
Thu Jan 06, 2022 6:09 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

The Mee examples are much less clear than what I remembered. Page 64 for example shows a complex verbal construction (with strange glossing). It's not really clear if it involves auxiliary stacking. woo kei tai epi continue make do know Auxiliary verbs are described in section 8.1.2 starting on p. 7...
by Creyeditor
Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:03 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

I recall that Mee has a do-support-like construction with tai which can be combined with other verbs. Of course you could debate the status as an auxillary, but I will probably find time to look at some examples tomorrow.
by Creyeditor
Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:39 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Papua Indonesian stacks at least two auxilliaries: Sa mo dapat pukul. I FUT PASS beat I will get beaten up. Maybe you can do more than that, idk. mo also means want and dapat also means get . But isn’t Papua Indonesia a creole? At any rate, I’ve heard that at least Standard Indonesian is very heavi...
by Creyeditor
Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:48 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Papua Indonesian stacks at least two auxilliaries:

Sa mo dapat pukul.
I FUT PASS beat
I will get beaten up.

Maybe you can do more than that, idk. mo also means want and dapat also means get. Just out of curiousity: which languages don't allow any stacking here?
by Creyeditor
Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:15 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

What exactly do you mean by having the same phonotactics?
by Creyeditor
Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:39 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Bantu mutual intelligibility
Replies: 11
Views: 4550

Re: Bantu mutual intelligibility

If you are looking for closely related languages in contact you could look at Nguni languages in more detail.

Also, for me as a German, spoken Icelandic is gibberish.
by Creyeditor
Sat Dec 18, 2021 4:06 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Bantu mutual intelligibility
Replies: 11
Views: 4550

Re: Bantu mutual intelligibility

Might be difficult because some areas where Bantu languages are spoken exhibit varying degrees of multilingualism.
by Creyeditor
Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:15 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Personally, I guess I'm fine with calling Das Auto von Mama a type of genitive, but I'd draw the line at using that term for Die Mama ihr Auto , since that's a dative construction, even though it fulfils the function of the genitive. I'd kind of wonder what else you'd call Das Auto von Mama , if no...
by Creyeditor
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:18 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Usage is not uniform: Here is a random example from the Internet: "Nomen und Eigennamen ohne Artikel bilden den Genitiv mit von."
by Creyeditor
Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:57 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4747
Views: 2141648

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Coming back to the German genitive case: I think there is some terminological vagueness involved. The genitive case proper in German is part of the case paradigm and does not involve any analytic construction. Some people only use genitive to refer to this construction, e.g. das Haus der Mutter . So...