Zompist Bboard Again

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:32 amI think Talskubilos meant that **perḱ- looks like it’s a NW regional word.

That's right, but this is a bad reconstruction, because this lexeme is only attested as *prḱ- in nouns derivated from it. Correct me if I wrong, but there's no such verb **perḱ- 'to dig' in IE.

so most likely a substrate loanword. Wow, I'd heard rumors that the Piraha could keep their words unchanging for 400 years...how did the NW people manage to keep this word (and perhaps others) unchanging from an age before Latin, all the way to the modern day when & where we can record the word...

I think on the contrary, the "PIE internal etymology" is likely a chance resemblance. :) and this is based upon...? First of all, the purported protoform **perḱ- 'to dig' isn't attested as such but only as noun derivatives from a 0-grade *prḱ- , namely Latin porca 'ridge between two furro...

There aren't enough other intermediates to make it clearly a Wanderwort (PST is far from NEC), it's short enough and matching is loose enough that some coincidences would be expected, and the PIE internal etymology is convincing. I think on the contrary, the "PIE internal etymology" is li...

ah, I see -- Rounin Ryuuji is being paid lavishly by those isolationist evildoering IE-ists! why else would you refuse to give proper, civil explanations to Rounin Ryuuji? and obviously those IE conspirators who are so obscenely wealthy they can afford to pay people to try to shut down random peopl...

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:57 pmEmoji aren't evidence.

You'll see.

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:27 pmI would more likely suppose the Austronesian word to be a coincidence when we have a good Indo-European one, again, staring us right in the face.

I disagree.

keenir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:27 pm

IMHO, *kapr-o- isn't a PIE word.

then what is it?

A loanword from one of the substrate languages embedded in IE, probably related to *weper-o-.

keenir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:28 pmif I lost my car keys yesterday, and today I find them next to my cereal bowls...do I need to then go across the street to search for my car keys?

Sorry, I can't get it.

*h₁ep-r- is specifically a wild boar, which are in my understanding somewhat different in appearance and temperament to domesticated pigs. *kápros is "he-goat" in every branch except Hellenic. Just because there's no reconstructible word doesn't mean the ancestral language the reconstruct...

so, because pigs can't pull carts (since when??), you don't believe a Kurgan or slightly-post-Kurgan people could have encountered pigs and boars in the forests of Anatolia, the Middle East, and Europe? Actually, we've got at least 2 different protoforms with that meaning: *(w)eper-o- and *kapr-o- ...

Chance resemblances are quite probable among +2000 lexical items. isn't that what everyone else has been telling you? Apparently, not for you (plural) in this case. :? well if you hate IE scholars so much, why are you going through their isolationist papers for Austronesian reconstructions? :?: I d...

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:45 pmSo you're just going to keep saying "But I don't believe this thing staring me in the face" and making emoji?

A pig is a pig and a digging is a digging.

We apparently see the pork -cognate word in Baltic, Slavic, Germanic, Iranian, and Italic, which is pretty broad, in my mind; we also have apparently a fairly broad range (including again Germanic, Iranian, and Italic) attestation of the form probably meaning "dig". If it isn't native, it...

I would have to ask why you would expect this not to be the case. That a probable internal etymology is not the case certainly requires a higher standard of proof. I'd rather say "possible" than "probable". Among other things, *prk- 'to dig' is a 0-grade lexeme restricted to a f...

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:15 pmA plausible internal etymology will generally be more probable than an external one.

Why so? Chance resemblances are quite probable among +2000 lexical items.

In fact, 'apple' happens to be a Wanderwort found in several families, including IE itself (although somewhat disguised). :) What families? Why is the loanword hypothesis better than the idea that *h₂ébl̥/*h₂ébōl is an irregular metathesis of *méh₂lom, which has much the same relationship to *méh₂-...

so... wanderworter basically can be invoked as "it jumped the length of a small continent"? because thats what it seems you said, just now, when I mentioned reasons of distance. Actually, Wanderwörter can travel across an entire continent. For example, IE *porḱ-o- 'piglet' is a Wanderwort...

PNWC *tˀ- looks like a fossilized prefix, so *qˀʷə would be the lexeme, corresponding to Daghestanian '2' (but Nakh '3', because in this group '2' was apparently borrowed from Semitic). That seems...unlikely, at the very least for reasons of distance....without going back to the days of Akkadian, w...

Northwest Group words like *h2ebol- and *bhabh- are reconstructed for PIE even though the mainstream position is that they were not inherited from the common ancestor of IE languages. In fact, 'apple' happens to be a Wanderwort found in several families, including IE itself (although somewhat disgu...