Zompist Bboard Again

1. What is the origin of the duals in -u in Sanskrit, Lithuanian and Proto-Celtic? The handbooks I know do not reconstruct such duals for PIE. The numeral *Hoḱte-h 3 (u) '8' has a fossilized dual suffix *-h 3 (u) which I guess it's related to the Caucasian numeral '2', although a deeper research wo...

Otto Kretschmer wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:07 pmWere there any IE languages in Western Europe before the arrival of Celtic and Italic?

There're some traces of an IE-satem Baltoid (i.e. akin to Baltic) language in loanwords into Gaulish and Basque.

My personal belief is Italo-Celtic doesn't exist as such, but there would be instead an Italic substrate/adstrate in Proto-Celtic.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:02 pmYou need actual evidence, especially considering that a small shift in meaning from an identical word referring to fish in Latin that could have easily been borrowed is far more plausible.

Letting aside this isolated Basque word, how about the others I mentioned?

[Then give some evidence rather than your perennial "I don't think so". And note that in Latin sarda means "European pilchard", the same species referred to by sardina , and it would be safe to presume that the two words are linked. Edit: Turns out Latin sarda is uncertain as to...

Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:04 pmIf anything, I would suspect Biscayan sarda to be a loan from Latin sardina;

I don't think so.

1. Sardinia has its name from the š3rdn , one of the "Sea Peoples" of Egyptian chronicles, settling in Sardinia. It looks like an IE-satem output of *k´erdh- 'herd' (cfr. Sanskrit śárdha- 'host, troop'). In fact, Basque has the isolated word sarda 'school fish' (Biscayan), in addition to ...

Hi, welcome to this thread! I see you didn't receive your orientation pamphlet, so I'll bring you up to speed. In here, there is no scientific method, no null hypothesis, no evidentiary burden, and no productive discourse. Instead, we find words that are "similar," in some non-quantifiabl...

keenir wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:53 pmwait, i thought you said most of those were Basque words to begin with.

That's right, but the only thing in common is they've got a Berber-like prefix *i-.

Zju wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:05 amHow do we know that any one of those four words is cognate? It's all speculation based on one or few phonemes.

As pointed out by keenir, they've got all similar meaning.and the same vocalism, the only differences being consonants.

keenir wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 3:18 pmstill not seeing a problem, sorry.
and if i fall into a marsh, you wouldn't expect me to have dirtied my clothes? they all seem conceptually and chronologically/behaviorally related to one another.

That's OK, but the thing is Basque iturri 'spring' doesn't belong here, unlike proposed by Zju.

At most there may be something going on with itu-/ido- of iturri 'source, spring' and idoi 'marsh', but even that is pure speculation. I don't think so, because *doi would be related to lohi 'mud', both from an earlier *dokki or something like that. That seems pretty plausible to me...they're all g...

Zju wrote: ↑Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:54 pmAt most there may be something going on with itu-/ido- of iturri 'source, spring' and idoi 'marsh', but even that is pure speculation.

I don't think so, because *doi would be related to lohi 'mud', both from an earlier *dokki or something like that.

much less could anybody make much sense of the texts. There are some words which look like some Basque words (e.g. a set of what appear to be numerals whose number values are unknown, and the place name Iliberi which looks like Basque hiri berri 'new town'), There're many lookalikes between Basque ...

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:18 amAlas, Vasco–Caucasian is a well-known theory, beloved of crackpots the world over.

Not anymore.

(To give one example, the Spanish I speak is mostly Peninsular (and influenced by Catalan) and I still remember being flummoxed by having a Mexican cashier ask me "¿Cómo fue su día?" It was lunchtime, so my day wasn't even half over. Just as in English I expect "How has your day been...

Talskubilos wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:07 amFor example, there's the anthroponym Sosin-biuŕ, which I translate as "Bull-Mare" (cfr. Aquitanian soson, Basque zezen 'bull', behor 'mare'), but no **Biu(ŕ)-sosin.

I just remembered Nalbe-sosin and Nalbe-biuŕ.

On the other hand, Iberian personal names are compounds of two words, either a noun and an adjective or two nouns, although for the most part we don't know their meaning. For example, I translate Baise-bilos and Bilos-baiser as "Solitary Eagle", from baiser 'solitary' and bilos 'eagle (or...

Indeed, it has been bugging me for long that Talskubilos claims to know much more about Iberian than the academic linguistic community! You're exaggerating! Perhaps I know a little more than other scholars, but that's all. :lol: For example, the word baides , found in inscriptions along personal na...

In general, my impression so far is that when T. quotes sources, they check out; it's his own proposals which suffer from a surfeit of fantasy and a lack of methodological rigour. Well, I think I'm improving myself over time. ;) On the other hand, I never heard about Comrie, but here is his bibliog...