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by Pabappa
Mon May 27, 2019 9:55 am
Forum: Ephemera
Topic: Confusing headlines
Replies: 708
Views: 566264

Re: Confusing headlines

Given that tater tots are a thing I can read that two ways .... From drudge report: Impact of Trump tweets on decline ( https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-impact-of-trump-tweets-is-on-the-decline ) Turns out it's headlinese and omits the "is" after "tweets" I stopped rea...
by Pabappa
Thu May 23, 2019 6:13 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang fluency thread
Replies: 2624
Views: 1525502

Re: Conlang fluency thread

Gu gen weayeam duma anha? Idyarne oh arirged? N'oi yeamora edougoer moureuruhyo moumodonegaar moumanri? INF Q INC-FUT.ID tree NZI-what | wood PART PAT-build | POL:SBJ FUT.ID-plt.pl and-door or-gate or-furniture or-NZP-other What do you suppose the pines will become? Structural timber? Might it be d...
by Pabappa
Thu May 23, 2019 4:04 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Replies: 1333
Views: 842150

Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread

How does NP (> ⁿB) > B look? edit: oh wait, doesn't Greek have this? yes. the nasals are still there in intervocalic position. however, Japanese has done the complete shift .... http://enwp.org/Rendaku is the shift of /mp nt ns nk/ > /b d z g/, with some analogical forms later appearing where there...
by Pabappa
Wed May 22, 2019 2:16 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: A language with no questions?
Replies: 13
Views: 6385

Re: A language with no questions?

You could arguably get by without polar questions at least .... "I think you want a cookie!" .... but in a normal situation this would prob develop into a question particle even so.
by Pabappa
Mon May 20, 2019 6:40 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 3070
Views: 2943858

Re: Conlang Random Thread

I don't like using <y> for /j/ in general, and I prefer writing about diphthongs as a series of vowels instead of of vowels and semivowels whenever possible. I also tend to use <v> for /w/ if the language has no /v/-like sounds in order to save space and because I feel an alphabet with <w> but no <...
by Pabappa
Mon May 20, 2019 6:14 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang fluency thread
Replies: 2624
Views: 1525502

Re: Conlang fluency thread

na ke kotlem kipeha 1sg O pine-PL favor-AUG Pines are my favorite. Pipiabo šavo. have.a.favorite-TR-1P also-1P Mine too! This is distinguished from "I have a favorite, too!" by adding a transitivity marker, even though the transitivity marker does not explicitly specify the object. And th...
by Pabappa
Mon May 20, 2019 5:40 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang Random Thread
Replies: 3070
Views: 2943858

Re: Conlang Random Thread

How do you feel about using apostrophes as syllable breaks, as in Pinyin? I'm kind of hesitating between two possible romanizations, one using i and u for syllable-final /j/ and /w/, and apostrophes to disambiguate where needed, the other just using y and w. Apostrophes have a long history of negat...
by Pabappa
Mon May 20, 2019 5:33 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4753
Views: 2287774

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Tú is not used much. We're familiar with it because much of the media and the Internet uses it, since much of it is made in Mexico or Colombia and other such tú-using countries, or is dubbed in Peru or the like. As far as things made in El Salvador go, you can hear it and see it in advertisements a...
by Pabappa
Mon May 20, 2019 4:14 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Paleo-European languages
Replies: 808
Views: 1020670

Re: Paleo-European languages

Right, but if fortis/lenis is analyzed as gemination, we would only be putting singletons in final position anyway. /naltak/=nalttak, etc. Thus the consonant inventory of old Basque can be simplified to only 9 consonants.
by Pabappa
Mon May 20, 2019 2:01 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Paleo-European languages
Replies: 808
Views: 1020670

Re: Paleo-European languages

Consonants come in fortis-lenis pairs which contrast only medially.
I dont understand why this isnt just analyzed as gemination. sure, you have pairs like /ld/ vs /lt/ in Old Basque, but thats no problem because there are languages that have contrasts between /lt/ and /ltt/, such as Finnish.
by Pabappa
Fri May 17, 2019 1:29 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Icemannish Thread: Sails and Skins
Replies: 24
Views: 12977

Re: Icemannish Thread: Proto-Icemannic

And now, for something new. Very good reading as always, thank you. I have a few questions, I hope not too many. Since I seemed to have bumped the thread, Im just pointing out the up-arrow above links to the entire previous post for anyone who's not familiar with the new format. Proto-Icemannic Pho...
by Pabappa
Thu May 16, 2019 9:51 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Voynich manuscript deciphered again
Replies: 35
Views: 24869

Re: Voynich manuscript deciphered again

Come on guys, it was peer reviewed. Peer review means it's right. Besides, he checked his work. It took him an entire two weeks, even. Theres no question about it..... the elusive Voynich manuscript has been finally really truly definitely absolutely positively deciphered, and we are among the very ...
by Pabappa
Wed May 15, 2019 7:20 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4753
Views: 2287774

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

A little linguistic curiosity, from an article in Slate comparing war with Iran with war in Iraq: Its terrain is rougher and more mountainous; Iraq’s was flat and mostly clear desert. The curiosity is the word was . Iraq's terrain hasn't changed since the invasion. In a past narrative, it's fine to...
by Pabappa
Mon May 13, 2019 5:38 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Conlang fluency thread
Replies: 2624
Views: 1525502

Re: Conlang fluency thread

Pweppopos, vontaftamembi twofas pilži. march-in.the.woods-1P-GEN, trunk-pick-agent-PL-LOC-1P.past pine-ACC-FINAL-3p-GEN towards-walk-1P.past While I was hiking, I ran into some loggers working with pines. the FINAL morpheme is a modifier that changes the accusative ending from /p/ to /f/ when it ap...
by Pabappa
Mon May 13, 2019 3:21 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4753
Views: 2287774

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

I mean the origin of "olive-skinned ",... that cite is for red. I don't think we would coin a term based on olives for a New World people, so I suspect it goes back even further than 1684.
by Pabappa
Mon May 13, 2019 2:53 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4753
Views: 2287774

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

Apparently, native Americans were themselves described as olive-skinned (in French) in 1684: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskin_(slang) The origin of the term may not be in English. I wouldnt think that the term would be invented just for the Natives, so we should expect to see even older cites...
by Pabappa
Sun May 12, 2019 9:27 pm
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Grammaticalization Quickie Thread
Replies: 154
Views: 103154

Re: Grammaticalization Quickie Thread

Lithuanian has some cases that are derived from other cases plus a suffix. Hungarian might do this too. I like option 3.
by Pabappa
Sun May 12, 2019 1:52 pm
Forum: Languages
Topic: Linguistic Miscellany Thread
Replies: 4753
Views: 2287774

Re: Linguistic Miscellany Thread

given that we still call Native Americans "redskins" I find no trouble believing that the term "olive-skinned" comes from olives. but just as we dont know the true etymology of "redskin", i dont think we can ever find out the true origin of the olive term. i wrote much ...
by Pabappa
Sat May 11, 2019 11:39 am
Forum: Languages
Topic: Pronunciations you had to unlearn
Replies: 805
Views: 553829

Re: Pronunciations you had to unlearn

It's a re-stressed weak form: unstressed [fɹʷəm] -> stressed [fɹʷɜm] since STRUT and schwa are very close in many American accents. Ditto for was, of, because and possibly what . Hence casual spellings 'cuz or LOL WUT . Ive picked up the /kɔz/ in "because" in emphatic speech (/bi::::::kɔ:...
by Pabappa
Sat May 11, 2019 11:13 am
Forum: Conlangery
Topic: Odds and ends
Replies: 14
Views: 12313

Re: Odds and ends

ok thanks. I left my comment vague on purpose ... ive heard that a rectangular map is often derived from an earlier "map" of the writer's bedroom .