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- Thu Sep 14, 2023 1:32 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Modern Gothic
- Replies: 44
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Re: Modern Gothic
I also worked on a Modern Gothic descendant, except I derived it from what is known of crimean gothic. So I'm interested to see where this goes. You're very cautious here; AFAIK most people who accept the source call it Crimean Gothic and assume that it's a descendant of Wulfila's Gothic. Minor quib...
- Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:52 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1423
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Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
That's what I was thinking. My hidden worry is that I am going too unrealistically far in fitting ON into a Native American language. Outside of turning the language into a creole I may not need to turn every /kl/ into /tʃ/, or make the language perfectly in line with the languages around it. I'll h...
- Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:05 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1423
- Views: 860814
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
I am wondering what I should do with clusters involving /r/ in my Vinlandic conlang. Right now I have a sound change which turns most /r/ into /l/, mimicking the development in several native american languages of the region, perhaps with an intermediate stage of /ɽ/. Compare many Scandinavian diale...
- Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:49 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Vinlenzka (Vinlandic)
- Replies: 1
- Views: 3203
Vinlenzka (Vinlandic)
Vinlandic or Vínlenzka (conservative spelling, IPA: [ˈwɑ̃j.lẽt.skɑ]) is the majority language of Vinland [ˈwɑ̃j.lɑ̃t], a sovereign nation east of the Republic of Quebec in North America. Beginning with the Norse exploration of North America in the 11th century, the Norse language there became a Ling...
- Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:28 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Random Conlang Grammar Ideas Thread
- Replies: 59
- Views: 61140
Re: Random Conlang Grammar Ideas Thread
Speaking of romance... I am tempted to go back to my old romlang idea, which I named either Pelsodian (Lacus Pelsodis, or Lake Balaton in Hungry), or Castellese (Named after Keszthely, or the city it survives in). I envisioned the language being halfway between Rhaetoromance and Romanian, with certa...
- Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:41 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1423
- Views: 860814
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
As an addendum to that, Icelandic also turned the old norse voiceless geminate consonants /pp tt kk/ into preaspirated clusters /hp ht hk/. This is how I derived my Vinlandic h+plosive clusters.
- Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:48 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 3268
- Views: 2999117
Re: Conlang Random Thread
I call one of my a-posteriori conlangs Crimean Gothic (not to be confused with the actual Crimean Gothic) because I have yet to settle on an endonym. Though I suppose there is less confusion for dead languages.
- Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:10 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Critique Thread
- Replies: 61
- Views: 51440
Re: Sound Change Critique Thread
I’ll post my full sound changes once I’ve answered this question: if I have a series of palatilised and labialised consonants, can they be analysed as being viable codas, or if they occur in a coda-esque position should they be analysed as really short CV sequences? Look towards none other than Rom...
- Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:52 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Grammaticalization Quickie Thread
- Replies: 161
- Views: 112525
Re: Grammaticalization Quickie Thread
I'm not sure what relative clauses have to do with this anyway. There is no relative clause in "I made that"! As for marking... is there marking normally? North sea west germanic languages (as this clearly seems to be, despite being called 'crimean') aren't noted for their super-strong mo...
- Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:14 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1423
- Views: 860814
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
I think you can go either way with the phonemic analysis, but for the orthography you've got French as a precedent for spelling the silent sounds and (i think) Manx as a precedent for not doing so. A lot of languages allophonically nasalize all vowels before nasals and so you could say that the nas...
- Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:03 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Grammaticalization Quickie Thread
- Replies: 161
- Views: 112525
Re: Grammaticalization Quickie Thread
Maybe it just comes from having the 3rd person be the only form available to use in such a position in the first place. I typed the example in English because I dont actually know a language that uses person marking inside of a relative clause. My understanding is that in e.g. Spanish, all such cla...
- Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:43 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Grammaticalization Quickie Thread
- Replies: 161
- Views: 112525
Re: Grammaticalization Quickie Thread
Didn't some Romance dialects develop gender marking on their verbs? That's an interesting idea, Pabappa. Though in my case, all the verb forms are the same, I'm just unsure how person is marked for (assuming it is.) The three phrases I am going off of in question (nb not my conlang, rather from the ...
- Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:42 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Quickie Thread
- Replies: 1423
- Views: 860814
Re: Sound Change Quickie Thread
Vinlandic has a sound change in which liquids and nasals were deleted in syllable coda, causing vowel lengthening, lenition, or a combination of both. So, using a conservative orthography: barn ['pãː] /'parn/ "child" barnit ['paː.nit] /'parnit/ "the child" As shown, the consonant...
- Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:42 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Grammaticalization Quickie Thread
- Replies: 161
- Views: 112525
Re: Grammaticalization Quickie Thread
I can't answer the above question, which actually I would like answered as well, as I have a similar issue in my Crimean Gothic conlang which has criticized -thata to verbs (c.f. varthata, malthata). However, whether it replaces marking for person, as it seems to have done, or simply add onto it, I ...
- Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:04 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Critique Thread
- Replies: 61
- Views: 51440
Re: Sound Change Critique Thread
If some of the falling diphthongs feel out of place, here are a few alternative suggestions for them: - */øː yː/ could break into rising diphthongs instead, giving either /we wi/ or */jo ju/ (with the latter then shifting to /jə jo/) - similarly, */oː/ could break into /wo/ or /wə/ - */ei ey ɔu/ co...
- Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:05 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Sound Change Critique Thread
- Replies: 61
- Views: 51440
Re: Sound Change Critique Thread
I'm somewhat satisfied with consonants in modern Wąylętska (< Old Vínlenzka) or Vinlandic. Now I am toying with the vowels, deriving them organically from Old West Norse: ɛ > e ɛː > ja e > e eː > je i > i iː > aj ø > e øː > ew y > i yː > iw ɔ > ə ɔː > wa o > ə oː > ow u > o u > aw ei > ej ey > oj ɔu...
- Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:42 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 3268
- Views: 2999117
Re: Conlang Random Thread
I think there are a few mistakes you made (although others were introduced by Moose, e.g. I neglected to mention the outcome of Faroese glides before and after consonants, which is usually deletion and fortition respectively. So birjaji should be birgaji or birdaji or whatever the original consonant...
- Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:40 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 3268
- Views: 2999117
Re: Conlang Random Thread
Niri īčīnǫ hā lēhtarānī hąka wak ītį piryayi, lwąkri niri, hā čēmānī čāla, opahtō čōhpari, ǫtī itēnonǫ hā plįto irōnā hāta tī hayani kǫ hą. Hramičis riht hą ī čihtonǫ, ī hrahkanǫ sǫ lōtā aw šikā wak ęsimi, hąsara hakra pwąhka wąkamānaląt, hit čihnahta ī wahkara pwāhmįtǫ. Takānī wāro parakrahā nahtō...
- Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:03 am
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 3268
- Views: 2999117
Re: Conlang Random Thread
Mishta-miam tshitishi-tuten! Something giant? I figured out how to get a very Cree-esque (Creesque?) phonology for my Vinlandic conlang. Faroese (a sister language to this) has a sound change v,ð,ɣ -> j,w depending on whether the following vowel is a back one or a front one, eliminating these phone...
- Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:32 pm
- Forum: Conlangery
- Topic: Conlang Random Thread
- Replies: 3268
- Views: 2999117
Re: Conlang Random Thread
I figured out how to get a very Cree-esque (Creesque?) phonology for my Vinlandic conlang. Faroese (a sister language to this) has a sound change v,ð,ɣ -> j,w depending on whether the following vowel is a back one or a front one, eliminating these phones. Faroese also palatalizes k > tʃ and sk > ʃ b...