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Otomanguean?

I've got a /i e a u/ vowel system that I'm trying to collapse into /i a u/. The easy route is just to merge /e/ with /i/ and /a/ in various environments, but that's kinda boring. Any ideas as to something more interesting I could do?

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Here's a dilemma I've always faced as a conlanger: when describing my languages, what tense do I write in? For natural languages, the convention seems to be to write in the present tense when describing either a currently spoken language, or any language in which there is some extant body of text, e...

Would you, methru, feel compassion for a {non-binary}-bashing but destitute, rural young fundamental Christian? I am not methru, but I would like to chime in here as another non-binary(-ish/androgynous idk) person. I absolutely would feel compassion for a {non-binary}-bashing but destitute fundamen...

anteallach wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:20 am acknowledge

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In addition, if you have retroflex obstruents, some type of rhotic could be derived from one of them, for example iirc Into-Aryan has had unconditional ɖ > ɽ in some languages. From there you could also eventually get [l] via other changes.

私は大学で特別な言語練習食堂がある。あそこでは、テーブルが各々特定の言語があって、その言語の会話を練習しにそれぞれのテーブルに行ける。本当にすごいリソース（？）で、ほとんど毎日行った。でもこのコロナ事態が始まってからいけないので、言語の勉強が難しくなちゃった。 My university has a special dinning hall for language practice. Each table has a designated language, and you can go there to practice conversing in said language. It's...

Yeah, the first sound change is only meant to occur when /ɻ/ is in coda position, intervocalic /ɻ/ will simply fortify to /ʐ/ and stay that way. As for the second one, /ɻ/ → /ʐ/;/ʂ/ after consonants is something that I'm already doing, which will create a new retroflex series out of the existing co...

/kotʃaʔandʒʱama/ root-initials: /p t k f s m n r j w ʔ/ root-medials: /p t tʃ k ʔ/ /p' t' k'/ /pʰ tʰ tʃʰ kʰ/ /b d g/ /mb nd ndʒ ŋg/ /bʱ dʱ dʒʱ gʱ/ /mbʱ ndʱ ndʒʱ ŋgʱ/ /ɓ ɗ ɠ/ /mɓ nɗ ŋɠ/ /ɓʰ ɗʰ ɠʰ/ /mɓʰ nɗʰ ŋɠʰ/ /f s r m n j w/ vowels: /i u e o a/ all content roots are C₁VC₂V, with medials only occurr...

So with regards to that, would you say that Vɻ → Vh → V(low tone), but CɻV → ChV → CV (high tone) is realistic? The same will apply to the /h/ produced from /s/ debuccalisation in clusters. For the first change, it kinda depends on what you mean. Assuming that it's only meant to occur when [ɻ] (or ...

I like that and find it perfectly naturalistic. Thanks! I dont think /h/ would obey this rule. it's just a feeling .... when i say /ehi/ and try to swallow the /i/ i think the result would at the very least be something like /eç/ or /eš/. THough i could also see the /h/ dropping entirely and leavin...

Pabappa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:37 pm 1) H is a weak consonant so I'd expect it to defy this rule.

In this context 'H' refers to a heavy syllable

(I may have asked this before at some point? I work on things so sporadically I can't remember anymore) In a language with moraic trochees, how plausible is deletion of short vowels following the main stressed syllable when said syllable is light. In other words, CV́CV > CV́C, or (ĹL) > (H́). This w...

/p t tɬ ts ʈ tʂ tɕ k q ʔ/ /p’ t’ tɬ’ ts’ ʈ’ tʂ’ tɕ’ k’ q’/ /tʰ tɬʰ tsʰ ʈʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ kʰ qʰ/ /b d dɮ dz ɖ dʐ dʑ/ /ɓ ɗ/ /f ɬ s ʂ ɕ x χ/ /v ð l r j ɣ ʁ/ /m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ /i y ɨ˞ ẽ ɚ ɤ o õ ɛ œ ɛ̃ œ̃ ɜ̃ ɔ̃ a a˞ ã/ /11 23 14 54 342 512/ tones (C)(C)(C)(C)(C)CV maximal syllable structure /pðã14 ŋsrœ̃342 di23ɗɤ11 m...

According to Mutonyi (2000), in Bukusu and closely related languages, noun class is marked by a “prefix structure” which consists of a prefix and a preprefix. The agreement markers on adjectives and numerals look like the prefix, while the markers on possessive pronouns and the object markers on ver...

zompist wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:16 pm no one has provided a consensus definition!

Peano solved this a century ago. Writing is not natural because it has neither a well-defined successor function nor an obvious 0 element...

Another way of looking at it is to take the word 'natural' to mean not just part nature generally, but part of our nature. As in, a behavior humans have an inherent, cross cultural propensity to do. In which case no, writing is clearly not natural.

word-initial 'ndr' cluster in a European language gives it away

Does anyone have a reference to the assumed order of sound changes from Old Japanese to current times? If not, OJ to any later stage of would be extremely helpful, as long as they have at least a general idea of when the changes occurred. IIRC A History of the Japanese Language by Bjarke Frellesvig...