Zompist Bboard Again

zompist wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:50 pm A good person to follow if you're interested in this stuff is A.Z. Foreman. E.g. he does readings of a passage of Deuteronomy at six different periods here:

http://blogicarian.blogspot.com/2020/04 ... lical.html

Awesome! Thank you!

Yeah, my textbook is aimed at pastors and teaches a simplified Ashkenazi pronunciation, but I've been trying to learn a reconstructed Iron Age pronunciation because who doesn't love adding random challenges for oneself while getting one's master's? :mrgreen: I will check out Khan's book. Another thi...

I'm in the process of learning Biblical Hebrew--attempting to learn a reconstructed pronunciation--and first of all I want to thank Zompist for the flashcards. They've been extremely helpful for the vowels, for which my textbook was useless and Wikipedia almost useless. But I still have some confusi...

Someone needs to tell the guy who made Middle Persian that you can't just take someone else's conlang and use it as a logographic script.

Raphael wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:32 pm Would a simultaneous lengthening of stressed short vowels and shortening of unstressed long vowels be plausible?

Precisely this happened in Ancient Egyptian.

I have /ɪ/ in pidgin, /n̩/ in pigeon--but in rapid speech I probably have /n̩/ in both.

I’ve just discovered that Tlingit has /ɬ/, /ɬʼ/, /t͡ɬ/, /t͡ɬʰ/ and /t͡ɬʼ/, but no /l/. (Except for some older speakers, who have [l] as an allophone of /n/.) Admittedly, I’m not sure how reliable Wikipedia is for these things, but Omniglot seems to concur. This is correct, and it's a common feature...

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:18 am Is x → ʃ plausible? If yes, does it require multiple steps (I’m thinking x → ç → ʃ) or can it be done in just one step?

The other direction is certainly more common, but if memory serves it happened in some North American languages.

Also I know lowering is less common than raising in general, but is it possible for lowering and raising to occur at about the same time (acting on different vowels), or would one happen to some vowels and then later the other? Tuscarora had a shift where all its vowels moved counterclockwise (IIRC...

Does someone know a language that contrasts velar stops [k, g] and palatal stops [c, ɟ] (or palatalized [kʲ, gʲ])? If you do, could you give me a minimal pair? I'm trying to write a text to explain the notion of phonemes and allophones. French has noticeable allophony for /k, g/ which are indeed ve...

I also prefer -nketlo.

Salmoneus wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:56 am It's horrific. Completely ungrammatical for me. I would assume non-native, or some sort of creole...

Likewise. I had to read it twice just to understand what the writer was trying to say.

Isn't part of the confusion down to there being two main types of American English /r/ (and NURSE vowel) one of which (the "bunched" one) isn't very well described by standard phonetic terminology? The kind I have is the bunched one, and in the end it comes down to: If is syllabic it is a...

mèþru wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:35 am As an Israeli, I can say you guys sound so cute when you claim New Yorkers are blunt. Our national stereotype in our own humour is that we don't understand the phrase "excuse me"

This is why I love Middle Easterners, and Jews especially.

Yeah that bluntness/curtness is a cultural thing (which, having grown up in Massachusetts and visiting there every few years, frequently visiting family in NYC, and living in Texas for the last couple decades, I can confirm is accurate for these areas), not actually anything to do with pronunciatio...

North American English accents question: Long ago - to be precise, during the debates about passing Barack Obama's healthcare reform - I once watched the going-ons in the US Senate, and there was one reading clerk, who was tasked with calling the names of the Senators asking them to vote, who had a...

Is i a u>e o o/_C*V where V is an identical vowel. realistic Identical to the input or identical to the output? Vowel assimilation will make some sense almost always.* Dissimilation might be a harder sell in this case. If it's the former, I'd go a bit further even: if you have a change like i…e > e...

Are there any known instances of a language differentiating a pair of stops where the only differentiating feature is that one is released and the other is unreleased? one would think it would be a middle step that appears as final vowels are being lost in a language that up until then had only unr...

yac xwi ddihmun yyaw hloeycae dduesae hlichoeli na imagine going outside in the summer, lol Lū kū bi-Peloridot. :shock: not here in-Florida Not here in Florida. :shock: ddae tuesae lwetcae phueloyiddoe death to the accursed land of hellfire that is Florida ʾamin. verily Amen.

Any interesting folk etymologies in your conlangs? I have a couple from two of the languages I'm working on right now. The Lashqumite language is named for the city-state of Lashqum ( Laškūm ), which ~500 years ago was the epicenter of the culture (and eventually an empire, which has since fallen). ...