Ergativity for Novices

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akam chinjir wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:50 pm(Am I right to think that French allows both je le veux manger and je veux le manger? If so, that looks like the right sort of alternation, though not one involving ergative case, of course.)
As you noticed in the miscellany thread, French can't but Spanish can.

Lo quiero comer. ~ Quiero comerlo.
Je veux le manger.
'I want to eat it.'

(Actually, I think we usually say Me lo quiero comer ~ Quiero comérmelo, using comer as a transitive with a reflexive benefactive. But anyway, it's still allowed in higher registers at least, and there's lots of similar examples in neutral/colloquial Spanish like Lo quiero probar ~ Quiero probarlo 'I want to taste it'.)
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First of all, thanks for the long and interesting post!
bradrn wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:40 pmA third factor which can motivate a split is the structure of discourse. In some discourse structures, the S argument and A argument naturally go together; in others, the S argument and O argument naturally go together. This can lead to a split between nominative-accusative alignment for the former types of discourse, and ergative-absolutive alignment for the latter types. Dixon argues that this is the motivation behind splits on tense/aspect/mood, although I personally find his reasoning doubtful.
What reasoning of his are you talking about exactly, and what exactly you find doubtful? It's a bit difficult to extract that from what you wrote.
a sentence like ‘the box moved’ could either be agentive (maybe I’m pushing it) or patientive (maybe it’s slipping down a slope).
I'd say both examples are patientive (if I'm pushing the box, the box is still the patient). Only if the box moves by itself, it's agentive.


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jal wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:13 am First of all, thanks for the long and interesting post!
You’re very welcome! I tried to make it as interesting as possible, and I’m glad I succeeded.
bradrn wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:40 pmA third factor which can motivate a split is the structure of discourse. In some discourse structures, the S argument and A argument naturally go together; in others, the S argument and O argument naturally go together. This can lead to a split between nominative-accusative alignment for the former types of discourse, and ergative-absolutive alignment for the latter types. Dixon argues that this is the motivation behind splits on tense/aspect/mood, although I personally find his reasoning doubtful.
What reasoning of his are you talking about exactly, and what exactly you find doubtful? It's a bit difficult to extract that from what you wrote.
I was intentionally vague — I merely wanted to mention this motivation for split ergativity. I was planning to expand on it later in the post, but since I split it up into several parts it will have to wait for Part 2.
a sentence like ‘the box moved’ could either be agentive (maybe I’m pushing it) or patientive (maybe it’s slipping down a slope).
I'd say both examples are patientive (if I'm pushing the box, the box is still the patient). Only if the box moves by itself, it's agentive.
Thanks for pointing this out! I think this was a typo, and I had intented to put those the other way around (if I’m pushing it it’s patientive, if it’s slipping it’s agentive), but you’re right that neither example is particularly agentive. I’d better think of a better example…
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Since it was recommended to me by akam chinjir, I’ve been reading through the Oxford Handbook of Ergativity, and I’ve started to notice something which I find a bit puzzling. It seems that some authors occasionally use the term ‘ergative’ to refer to a case encompassing A and sometimes also S. For instance, here’s a Warlpiri example from Ellen Woolford:

Ngajulu-rlu
me-ERG
ka-ma-rla
PRES-1sg-3sg
jularda-ku
honey-DAT
warni-mi
look.for-NONPAST

I am looking for honey

Ngarrka-ngku
man-ERG
ka
PRES
yunpa-rni
sing-NONPAST

The man is singing

However, this usage seems very odd to me; as far as I’m aware, an ‘ergative’ case is one which covers A only, and a case covering both S and A is a ‘nominative’ case. Can anyone here who knows about this topic explain why such apparently nominative cases are so often called ergative instead?
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Generally speaking, linguists working within generative traditions don't think Dixon's S/A/P distinction goes very deep, and tend to work instead with a distinction more like agent vs undergoer, though in different terminologies.

(In relational grammar, where a lot of this comes from, I think you talk in terms of an initial 1 vs an initial 2; Chomskyans distinguish external from internal arguments; and presumably there are other terminologies.)

That's important, because one of the dominant approaches to ergativity sees the ergative case as an inherent case that's assigned to agent-like arguments (external arguments, initial 1s), and Woolford in particular subscribes to that view. So for her its natural to think of a case that's used for the subject of both agentive transitives and agentive intransitives as ergative.

The most obvious difficulty for this view is that you mostly seem to get a different pattern, the one where it's the transitivity distinction that's important, and not the agent-like-ness of the subject. (As you've mentioned, split- or fluid-S is substantially more common with agreement than with case-marking.)

Anyway, I'd bet that the ERG in question doesn't fully cover A and S, it covers A and agentive S, which is to say, the A/S distinction isn't really helpful for describing what's going on there.

(Aside: the main other approach that I know, and the one I'm more sympathetic to, is the dependent case view, which ends up sounding a lot more like Dixion's views: in some languages, when there are two core arguments, the subject gets ergative case; in other languages, when there are two core arguments, the object gets accusative case. Of course there are complications.)
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Thanks for explaining akam chinjir! I don’t know much at all about any syntactic theories (and I find myself to be a bit suspicious of all of them anyway), which explains why I didn’t understand this before, but your explanation does help with the problems I’ve been having.
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Many grammatical traditions for different languages use terminology in ways which are confusing if you're only used to the textbook definitions. "Ergative" is a major offender, as it is frequently used in contexts where something like "agentive" might be a less ambiguous term, i.e. it is found with some intransitive subjects. (Additional complication: in many of these languages any sentence with an ergative subject may be termed "transitive", even if it only has one argument and translates to an intransitive in English.) (The other big thing for people to be aware of is that "nominative" is often used to mean "absolutive", or even "patientive".)
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Split ergativity — Part 2

(I think this section will end up taking three parts, rather than two as expected. This part covers animacy-based splits; hopefully I should be able to cover the rest of split ergativity (TAM-based splits, clause-based splits, etc.) in only one more section.)

Splits by the nature of the NP

So far, we have covered one type of split ergativity: splits by the nature of the verb. In those splits, the S argument is grouped with either A or O depending on the choice of verb. However, there are several other types of split attested in the languages of the world. Here, we will cover splits on the nature of the NP, another very common type of split.

The animacy hierarchy

For splits on the nature of NPs, the key observation to make is that certain NPs are more likely to be agents, whereas other NPs are more likely to be patients. For instance, the first person pronoun I is likely to be an agent (e.g. in I moved, it’s likely that I am in control), whereas an inanimate noun like the box is likely to be a patient (e.g. in the box moved, it’s likely that the box was moved by someone else rather than deciding to move of its own volition). We might also note that for some verbs, the A NP is usually human (e.g. for ‘believe’, ‘decide’), while for others, the A NP is usually human or animate (e.g. for ‘see’, ‘bite’, ‘run’), but there are few to none verbs which are restricted to only inanimate NPs. The opposite is true for O NPs: some verbs can have any O (e.g. ‘see’), while some verbs usually have inanimate O (e.g. ‘pick up’, ‘throw’); although there do exist verbs which preferentially have a human or animate O (e.g. ‘spear’, ‘shoot’), they are less common than the other types of verb.

If we combine all these observations, we end up with a list of types of NP, where NPs on the left are more likely to be A, and NPs on the right are more likely to be O:
1st person > 2nd person > 3rd person and demonstratives > proper nouns > humans > animate nouns > inanimate nouns
This is known as the animacy hierarchy, or nominal hierarchy; I will use the former term.

It is easy to relate this hierarchy to split ergativity. NPs on the left are prototypically A, so they should have an unmarked A — that is, a nominative-accusative system — while NPs on the right are prototypically O, so they should have an unmarked O — that is, an ergative-absolutive system. We might think of accusative marking extending in from the left-hand side, and ergative marking extending in from the right-hand side. The simplest animacy-based split would simply have them meeting at some point in the middle:

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1 > 2 > 3/demonstratives > proper nouns > humans > animate > inanimate
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acc marking                                                erg marking
(Hopefully this diagram should be readable; if not, I can replace it with an actual image.)

But there do exist more complex systems, which will be covered later.

Of course, as with most topics in linguistics, there is some variation in the animacy hierarchy between languages. For instance, the hierarchy above shows demonstratives > proper nouns, but occasionally we get personal names > demonstratives. Some Algonquian languages famously have 2 > 1 rather than 1 > 2 (but see Will Oxford’s paper Algonquian Grammar Myths for a much more detailed view and partial refutation of this). There are also rare exceptions to the rule that accusative marking is used on the left of the hierarchy while ergative marking is used on the right: for example, Arrernte has an ergative paradigm in the 1s pronoun, but an accusative paradigm in the other pronouns, while the Samoyedic language Nganasan has an accusative pattern in its nouns but no case-marking in its pronouns (which could be considered to be a rare example of a ‘split accusative’ system, although I’ve never seen the term used outside this post). Suyá has a particularly clear example of this: in future and negative clauses, pronouns use an ergative paradigm but common nouns use an accusative paradigm. (Thanks to akam chinjir for this example!)

We have already seen that active-stative systems (i.e. split-S and fluid-S) most often manifest their ergativity through verbal agreement rather than case-marking, as those varieties of split ergativity depend on the nature of the verb. Similarly, animacy-based split ergative systems most often manifest their ergativity through case-marking, as this variety of split ergativity depends on the nature of the noun. However, this is certainly not a universal: Dixon lists Chukchi, Coast Salish and Chinook as having an animacy-based split system using verbal agreement. When animacy-based systems do use case-marking, they most commonly use three case-markers: the nominative and absolutive cases are usually unmarked (making them syncretic as a side-effect), as is usual for those cases, while the ergative and accusative cases each get their own case-markers. For instance, in Dyirbal, the nominative and absolutive cases are both null, the ergative case is -ŋgu, and the accusative case is -na. Of course languages can diverge from this model — especially in more complex splits, such as those outlined below — but from a conlanging perspective, this sort of system is a good place to start.

A final interesting point about these sort of animacy-based splits is their interaction with case concord. In some languages, modifiers such as adjectives and relative clauses exhibit case concord; that is, they agree in case with the modified noun. However, if the modifier and head are on opposite sides of an animacy split, then they can disagree in case even though case concord applies. For instance, in the following Dyirbal sentence, the A argument is a pronoun, which has nominative-accusative alignment and thus gets nominative marking as it is an A argument, but the adjective modifying it has ergative-absolutive alignment and thus gets ergative marking:

nginda
you.NOM
wuygi-nggu,
old-ERG
bam
NCII.there.ABS
mirany
bean.ABS
babi
slice.Imp

You, old [person], slice the beans!

(Source: Legate 2008.) This isn’t really an unexpected result — indeed, anything else would be surprising — but I think it’s worth mentioning this point. (One analysis of this situation is that Dyirbal has underlying tripartite alignment, but S/A are merged in pronouns while S/O are merged in common nouns — but this isn’t terribly relevant as anything other than a curiosity in analysis.)

(Aside: Given that NPs at the left of the animacy hierarchy are more likely to be agents, and NPs at the right are more likely to be patients, one could imagine a system where the A and O NPs are determined purely by their relative positions on the animacy hierarchy. Such systems do exist, and are known as direct-inverse systems, due to their unique set of verb affixes: when the direct affix is used, A is the NP which is higher on the animacy hierarchy and O is the NP which is lower on the animacy hierarchy, but when the inverse affix is used, A is the NP which is lower on the animacy hierarchy and A is the NP which is higher on the animacy hierarchy. For instance, ‘1s 2s see-DIR’ would mean I see you, whereas ‘1s 2s see-INV’ would been You see me. Direct-inverse systems are fascinating, but they aren’t really ‘split ergative’ systems as such, so I won’t go into detail about them.)

Splits on the animacy hierarchy

Above we mentioned one example of a split using the animacy hierarchy:

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1 > 2 > 3/demonstratives > proper nouns > humans > animate > inanimate
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acc marking                                                erg marking
This shows a split between 3rd person pronouns/demonstratives and proper nouns; the result is that pronouns get accusative marking while nouns get ergative marking. This system is used in many languages, for example Dyirbal. However, there are other possible splits. For example, another common place to have a split is between first and second person pronouns and all other nouns, as in the following diagram:

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1 > 2 > 3/demonstratives > proper nouns > humans > animate > inanimate
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acc marking                                                erg marking
Other locations for splits seem to be rarer, but they do exist; most notably, Hittite had a split between accusative marking for all pronouns, humans and animates, but used ergative marking for all neuter nouns, which of course are mostly inanimate (Garret 1990, cited in Dixon; this example suggested by Richard W). (Possibly the rarity of other split locations is due to the fact that it is rare for a language to have such a simple and clean split between accusative and ergative marking; most animacy-based splits tend to have at least a little more complexity, and these more complex languages often do show splits at other points.)

Now, these systems are pretty simple, but there certainly exist more complex systems. We know that accusativity extends in from the left of the hierarchy, while ergativity extends in from the right — but there is no reason why those paradigms have to meet at the same point! Thus it is relatively common to get systems like this one, from Cashinawa:

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1 > 2 > 3/demonstratives > proper nouns > humans > animate > inanimate
      |<────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── erg marking
────────────────────────>|
acc marking
Here, first and second person pronouns get accusative marking, while proper and common nouns get ergative marking — however, the two systems overlap at the third person, giving it tripartite marking. The idea of accusative marking plus ergative marking giving tripartite marking is borne out by the nature of the case-marking: 1/2 pronouns mark accusative case with -a, nouns mark ergative case via nasalisation of the final vowel, and the S/A/O forms of the third person pronoun are habu/habũ/haa respectively.

(Interestingly, although I said previously that Dyirbal has a split between accusative marking for pronouns but ergative marking for nouns, there is in fact one place where it has tripartite marking, this being for the human interrogative form wanʸa. This is precisely in accord with what the animacy hierarchy predicts. Additionally, proper names can take optional tripartite marking, as will be described below for Yidinʸ. But there do exist languages with a completely exclusive split between accusative and ergative paradigms with no overlap, for instance Kuku-Yalanji and Ngiyambaa.)

A similar but more complex system is found in Yidinʸ:

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1/2 > human deitics/interrog. > inanimate deitics/proper names/kin terms > inanimate interrog./common nouns
    |<───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── erg marking
────────────────────────────────┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄┄>|
acc marking                       (optional acc marking)
This system is interesting in that the accusative marking seems to ‘fade out’ towards the right of the hierarchy: this system goes from accusative marking for 1/2 person pronouns, to tripartite marking for human deitics and the human interrogative/indefinite ‘who, someone’, to tripartite marking with accusative marking optional for inanimate deitics and proper names (i.e. O can be marked either by the unmarked S form or with the accusative case), to fully ergative marking for everything else. We will discuss similar systems more fully below, in the section on ‘differential case marking’.

The Waga-Waga language has another unusual variation, with tripartite marking at the left and middle of the hierarchy and ergative marking at the right, but no purely accusative marking anywhere:

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  1 > 2 > 3/demonstratives > proper nouns > humans > animate > inanimate
|<────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── erg marking
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────>|
acc marking

Similarly to how accusative and ergative marking overlap to get tripartite marking, we might expect the opposite variety of system to be attested as well, with accusative and ergative marking never meeting, and direct marking instead of tripartite marking in the centre:

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1 > 2 > 3/demonstratives > proper nouns > humans > animate > inanimate
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acc marking                                                erg marking
But I can’t find an example of such a system (although admittedly I haven’t looked very hard). On the other hand, this sort of system can be used to explain situations such as that found in many Indo-European languages (e.g. English), where masculine and feminine nouns and pronouns have distinct nominative and accusative forms but neuter or inanimate nouns have no case-marking:

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animate (masculine/feminine) > inanimate (neuter)
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acc marking
Here there is accusative marking extending in from the left, but no ergative marking on the right.

There are also a few other factors which can influence more complex splits. Of these, the most prominent is number. For instance, Arabana shows a system in which non-singular pronouns take accusative marking, singular pronouns and proper nouns take tripartite marking, and common nouns take ergative marking. At first this would seem like a straightforward extension of the animacy hierarchy to go ‘plurals > pronouns > …’; however, Dixon suggests that it is invalid to place non-singular nouns on the animacy hierarchy, and that such systems are simply a result of the general typological principle that more morphological distinctions are made in the singular than in the plural. (Semantically, not placing non-singular nouns on the animacy hierarchy makes sense: plurals are no more or less animate than singulars, and thus cannot readily be placed on the animacy hierarchy.) This is supported by systems such as that of Kalaw Lagaw Ya; this system uses tripartite marking for singular pronouns, direct marking for dual pronouns, accusative marking for singular and dual names, ergative marking for common nouns, and direct marking for all plurals. This might be clearer as a table (adapted from Dixon):

names pronouns common nouns
singular S=A, O different (accusative) A,S,O all different (tripartite) S=O, A different (ergative)
dual S=A, O different (accusative) A=S=O (direct/neutral) S=O, A different (ergative)
plural A=S=O A=S=O A=S=O

Using a slightly different version of the animacy hierarchy, we might diagram this as follows:

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(I did try to do a textual version using box-drawing characters like all the other diagrams, but it ended up being too confusing. The above diagram is instead a modified version of Figure 2 from McGregor’s Typology of Ergativity. I’m not too sure how long the image URL will last; please tell me if it disappears!)

This makes it clear that singular, dual and plural NPs are separate with regards to the animacy hierarchy. With singular NPs, accusative and ergative marking overlap to give an area of tripartite marking; with dual NPs, accusative and ergative marking don’t meet, giving an area of direct marking; and accusative and ergative marking completely disappear with plural NPs.

Of course, this comment about plural having less distinctions than singular is only a generalisation. For instance, the Gumbaynggir language uses ergative alignment for first person dual and second person singular, but tripartite alignment for first person singular and plural and second person dual and plural. Similarly, Yimas uses accusative alignment for first person dual, but tripartite alignment for first person singular and plural.

Besides number, another factor which can influence a split is definiteness. Generally, the further left an NP is on the animacy hierarchy, the more likely it is to be definite: pronouns and demonstratives are always definite, humans are usually definite, and inanimate NPs are usually indefinite. Due to this, definite NPs are usually associated with animacy and accusative alignment, while indefinite NPs are associated with inanimacy and ergative alignment. Although the correlation of definiteness with animacy seems to be well-known, there appear to be few languages which use it as a component of an animacy-based split; however, it seems that definiteness is often a component of splits involving differential case marking (Malchukov 2017; see below for more details on differential case marking).

Finally, remember that all these tendencies — related to the animacy hierarchy, number, definiteness — are just generalisations. For instance, Diyari uses a complex split between ergative, tripartite and accusative alignments where:
  • Ergative alignment is used for male personal names and singular common nouns;
  • Tripartite alignment is used for female personal names, non-singular common nouns, singular first and second person pronouns, and all third person pronouns;
  • Accusative alignment is used for non-singular first and second person pronouns.
I suppose the lesson here is that, although the majority of languages work according to the animacy hierarchy and similar concepts, a split system can be just about arbitrarily complex (within reasonable limits, of course).

Bound-free splits

Earlier in this thread I mentioned that agreement and case-marking generally occur together only in specific ways. In particular, there is a universal: if a language has accusative case-marking, then it cannot have any form of ergative verbal agreement. At the time, I stated that ‘However, a fuller discussion of the theory behind … why the universal above is true … will have to wait until split ergativity and the animacy hierarchy are discussed later; the discussion above is probably sufficient for now.’. But now that we know about these concepts, we can explain this universal!

The explanation relies on diachronics. Consider a language with an animacy-based split between accusative pronouns and ergative nouns:

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1 > 2 > 3 > proper nouns > humans > animate > inanimate
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acc marking                                 erg marking
Now, it is fairly common for pronouns to cliticise onto the verb, and thence develop into agreement affixes. Of course, since the pronouns in this system follow an accusative system, the agreement affixes should also follow an accusative system, by using one set for S and A arguments and another set for O arguments. But now, let’s say that the noun case system undergoes levelling: the ergative case system used with nouns is generalised to pronouns as well. However, by this point, the agreement system is now fully grammaticalised and separate from the noun case system, which means that it is still accusative — so we get an accusative agreement system with an ergative noun case system! On the other hand, to get a split the other way around (ergative agreement with accusative case), a language would need to start with an animacy-based split with ergative for pronouns and accusative for nouns — but this split would be the ‘wrong way around’, so to speak, which is why such a system is never seen.

(That process of evolution is pretty much what happened in Warlpiri to get ergative case-marking + accusative agreement in that language. But there’s several other languages like this — e.g. the Papuan language Gahuku, which has S/A agreement prefixes and O agreement suffixes, but an ergative case-marking system — and I think it’s likely that they underwent a similar process. For instance, possibly another source could be word order: if an ergative language with SV/AVO word order had its pronouns cliticise onto a verb, it could get agreement prefixes and suffixes similar to those from Gahuku. I’m sure that there are numerous other processes which could yield a similar split, but for now I’ll focus on the animacy-based process as seen in Warlpiri.)

So, to summarise: in a language with an animacy-based split, pronouns are generally accusative in a largely ergative case-marking system — and agreement markers can derive from pronouns, so accusative agreement can co-occur with ergative case, but not the other way around. Now, if we state it this way, this starts to look suspiciously like a split on the animacy hierarchy, where a ‘higher’ NP can be accusative and a ‘lower’ NP can be ergative, but not the other way around. And in fact, some authors do include agreement at the very left of the animacy hierarchy: agreement affixes > 1 > 2 > 3 > .... I personally don’t think this is valid, since I don’t think that agreement necessarily is related to animacy or agentivity at the semantic level, but it’s certainly a useful way to think about things.

(Aside: Now we’ve explained almost all of the ‘unattested’ cells in that table: accusative case case and ergative agreement are unattested because they’re the wrong way round on the animacy hierarchy, and agreement with ergative only is unattested because ergative is the more marked case. But there’s one unexplained cell left: there seems to be no obvious reason why agreement with absolutive only is unattested with unmarked case. There could well be some subtle theoretical reason why that is impossible, but as I mentioned in an earlier post, I think this could simply be because there aren’t too many languages which agree with absolutive only, and it could be just coincidence that they all have ergative case. I certainly would regard a conlang with this system to be plausible, even if this particular combination isn’t observed in Earthly languages.)

Differential case marking

Occasionally, split ergative systems show differential case marking. This refers to a situation where an argument is marked in two (or more) different ways depending on the situation. In particular, there are two relatively common variations of differential case marking which occur in split ergative systems: optional ergative marking and differential ergative marking.

(Note: Differential case marking isn’t particularly closely related to animacy at all. But it is common to have ergative languages which have differential case systems distributed according to the animacy hierarchy, so I will include this section here for lack of a better place to put it.)

Optional ergative marking refers to a situation in which the ergative case may or may not be marked. For instance, consider the following three sentences from Lhasa Tibetan (Tournadre 1995):

(1)
khōng
he.ABS
khālaʼ
food.ABS
so̱-kiyo꞉reʼ
make-IMPF.GNOM


(2)
khōng-kiʼ
he-ERG
khālaʼ
food.ABS
so̱-kiyo꞉reʼ
make-IMPF.GNOM


Both of these sentences have the basic meaning ‘He prepares the meals’, but are different in connotation. (1) is a neutral statement, as would be used to answer a question ‘what does he do?’, while (2) places ‘contrastive’ emphasis (as Tournadre calls it) on the fact that it is him who prepares the meals’, as opposed to, say, Lobsang, who serves the food.

Optional ergative marking is fairly common; McGregor reports that it is found in more than 100 languages worldwide. As always, the extent of optional ergative marking varies: in some languages, like Warrwa and Gooniyandi, it can occur in any environment, whereas in other languages, it is found in only some environments. Frequently, this restriction is animacy-based: on the animacy hierarchy, optional ergative marking is usually found to the left of obligatory ergative marking, but to the right of any region of absent ergative marking, if it exists (McGregor 2010). For instance, Umpithamu shows obligatory ergative marking for inanimate NPs, but optional ergative marking for all other NPs. Adyghe has a similar but more complex split: obligatory marking is used for most nouns, some proper names, and pronouns; neutral marking is used for first and second person pronouns; and optional ergative marking is used for NPs which are between those regions on the animacy hierarchy — i.e. for some proper names and the animate interrogative ‘who/what’. And even in languages like Gooniyandi, with optional ergative marking everywhere, it is more common to omit the ergative on more animate NPs. Still, optional ergative marking doesn’t need to be animacy-based: for instance, Tsez uses optional ergative marking only in ‘a certain periphrastic construction’ (McGregor 2010). And, as with everything else, there are always exceptions: for example, Yugambe-Bundjalung has obligatory ergative marking for pronouns, optional ergative marking on human nouns and nouns for large animals, and no ergative marking on inanimates and ‘lower order animates’.

As outlined above for Tibetan, there is certainly some motivation for the presence or absence of the ergative marker in a language with optional ergative marking. However, exactly what this motivation is seems to be hard to pin down, and several different explanations have been proposed. One common explanation is that ergative is more likely to be marked when the Agent and Undergoer are likely to be confused, and is less likely to be marked when there is little chance of confusion. However, McGregor notes that there is little evidence for this, although there is evidence for the weaker proposition that if the NPs are likely to be confused, then the ergative is marked. Another explanation is that the ergative is more likely to be marked when focusing on the agent, or when emphasising the agency, volition or wilfulness of the agent; the absence of ergative can have various meanings depending on the language, including a neutral interpretation, topic continuity, or ‘downplaying individual will’ (McGregor). This seems to be the case for Lhasa Tibetan (Tournadre 1991), Folopa (Anderson and Wade 1988), and Mongsen Ao (Coupe 2007). (According to McGregor, unmarked ergative in Mongsen Ao has the interesting implication of ‘designating an Agent acting in accordance with social expectations’, and gives the example of the chickens (non-ergative) eating paddy which they have been fed vs the chickens (ergative) eating paddy which they are stealing.) This sort of distinction can have a pragmatic function, by designating a focus or topic, or a semantic function, by marking agentivity (similarly to Fluid-S systems). On the other hand, there are languages in which it is an absence of ergative marking which is meaningful, whereas the presence of ergative marking is neutral; generally the absence of ergative marking downplays agency or backgrounds the agent.

As mentioned above, another relatively common form of differential case marking in ergative languages is differential ergative marking. This is a situation in which a language has two or more distinct markers for ergative case. Note that these are separate markers rather than simply two allomorphs of the same marker; the latter is common and unremarkable, whereas the former is much rarer. Unlike optional ergative marking, differential case marking can have a variety of semantic meanings. For instance:
  • In Warrwa, one ergative marker -na-ma is neutral in meaning, whereas the other marker -nma is ‘a focal ergative marker that accords contrastive information focus to the Agent and/or focalises its agency’ (McGregor). Both ergative markers can be used for any NP. Similar notions of focus and control are used in Kaluli.
  • Kuku Yalanji also has two ergative markers — really, two sets of allomorphs determined by vowel harmony. Pronouns, human nouns, and the human interrogative ‘who’ can only take the ergative marker -(V)ngkV, and the inanimate interrogative ‘what’ and nouns denoting plants and tools can only take the other ergative marker -(V)bu-njV-dV. Nouns which are intermediate on the animacy hierarchy between these sets can take either ergative marker; use of the former marker indicates agentivity, volition and independence, whereas use of the latter marker is neutral.
  • In Wajarri, one ergative marker -lu is normally used with proper nouns, while another -ng(k)u is used with common nouns. But the speaker can use -lu with common nouns to give the connotation that they are personally involved in the event, the event is particularly relevant to them, or to show deference. (McGregor gives the example of using -lu ‘to indicate that the event involves the speaker’s spouse rather than just any woman’.)
  • Sahaptin is tripartite rather than ergative, but its ergative marker also shows a differential system. The two ergative case-markers -in and -ni-m have an unusual distribution, reminiscent of an Algonquian direct-inverse system: -in is used when O is third person, whereas -ni-m is used when O is first or second person. (DeLancey notes that this causes problems for notions of a meaningful category of ‘ergativity’, given that languages such as Sizang, Kui and Pengo have a verbal affix which marks the object in exactly the same way and derives from the same source as the Sahaptin ergative marker — but these languages are clearly not ergative! I plan to address this objection later; here I will limit myself to saying that Sahaptin is an unusual case, and the grammars of the majority of ergative languages clearly demonstrate that ergativity is a sensible category.)
It is clear from this list that differential ergative marking shows a greater variety of implications and distributions than optional ergative marking, which on the whole is generally restricted to a specific meaning (focusing or backgrounding the agent or its agentivity) and a specific distribution on the animacy hierarchy (between absent ergative marking and obligatory ergative marking). However, there are certainly some general tendencies which can be seen in the list above. For instance, there is a tendency for one ergative marker to be used on one part of the animacy hierarchy, while another ergative marker is used on another part of the animacy hierarchy. Additionally, one ergative marker usually has a more ‘neutral’ meaning, while the other emphasises the agent or its agentivity.

Finally, I will note that these forms of differential case marking are not mutually exclusive. In fact, it is possible for both to occur in the same language! For instance, Warrwa (mentioned above) has both optional and differential ergative marking.
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Fwiw, there's at least one language, Suyá, that's supposed to have erg/abs pronouns but nom/acc common nouns (in future and negative clauses). (https://benjamins.com/catalog/tsl.89.07gil.)

Some linguists argue that systems with NP splits should be understood as tripartite, but with syncretism, e.g. ERG/NOM syncretism in pronouns and NOM/ACC syncretism in common nouns. Dyirbal has an interesting data point to support this: it has case concord, and pronouns can take modifiers, and when (say) a first person pronoun is the subject of a transitive verb, it may look nominative (=unmarked), but any modifier will show ergative case.

Of course the variety of patterns you get, especially the ones in which some NPs are overtly tripartite, goes along with this view nicely.

With differential marking, one way it can work is that the subject of a transitive clause only gets ergative marking if the object is definite, or specific, or animate---depending on the language. The factors that can be relevant are exactly those that tend to be involved with differential object marking. A natural way to account for this is to suppose that in some languages, NPs that are insufficiently definite (or specific, or whatever) aren't visible for the purposes of case-marking. (In Selayarese, in a trasitive clause with an indefinite object, the verb actually takes a prefix indicating that it's intransitive.)
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akam chinjir wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:11 pm Fwiw, there's at least one language, Suyá, that's supposed to have erg/abs pronouns but nom/acc common nouns (in future and negative clauses). (https://benjamins.com/catalog/tsl.89.07gil.)
Thanks for sharing — I already included some examples of animacy-defying splits, but that one’s particularly nice! I’ll update my post to include this as well.
Some linguists argue that systems with NP splits should be understood as tripartite, but with syncretism, e.g. ERG/NOM syncretism in pronouns and NOM/ACC syncretism in common nouns. Dyirbal has an interesting data point to support this: it has case concord, and pronouns can take modifiers, and when (say) a first person pronoun is the subject of a transitive verb, it may look nominative (=unmarked), but any modifier will show ergative case.

Of course the variety of patterns you get, especially the ones in which some NPs are overtly tripartite, goes along with this view nicely.
I like this way of looking at it. Your Dyirbal example is particularly interesting; what sort of ‘modifiers’ are you talking about?
With differential marking, one way it can work is that the subject of a transitive clause only gets ergative marking if the object is definite, or specific, or animate---depending on the language. The factors that can be relevant are exactly those that tend to be involved with differential object marking. A natural way to account for this is to suppose that in some languages, NPs that are insufficiently definite (or specific, or whatever) aren't visible for the purposes of case-marking. (In Selayarese, in a trasitive clause with an indefinite object, the verb actually takes a prefix indicating that it's intransitive.)
That’s pretty interesting — all of the resources I found mentioned that optional ergative marking is often used to emphasise the agent or its agentivity, but none mentioned this. Do you have any resources I could use to learn more about this?

(Also, a tangential question: how do you find all this information? I tried my hardest to find articles with information about differential case marking in ergative languages, but I couldn’t find much, and certainly none of the resources I found mentioned this style of marking.)
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bradrn wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:27 pm I like this way of looking at it. Your Dyirbal example is particularly interesting; what sort of ‘modifiers’ are you talking about?
It seems to occur at least with relative clauses, noun class markers, and adjectives; you can see some examples on pp.8-9 of Legate, Dyirbal ergativity.
That’s pretty interesting — all of the resources I found mentioned that optional ergative marking is often used to emphasise the agent or its agentivity, but none mentioned this. Do you have any resources I could use to learn more about this?
Huh, I feel like it comes up reasonably often. Maybe this sort of thing is more salient in formal work for some reason? But also I'm not sure what I've read that focuses on this. I mean, I know it's in Baker's book Case, which is actually a treasure trove of typologically interesting patterns, but which might be hard-going if you're not interested in the formal stuff. Maybe Woolford, Ergativity and transitivity?
(Also, a tangential question: how do you find all this information? I tried my hardest to find articles with information about differential case marking in ergative languages, but I couldn’t find much, and certainly none of the resources I found mentioned this style of marking.)
I'm sure that part of it is that the instant I first heard of it I thought it was super interesting, and wanted to play around with in in my own languages, so I went looking. But otherwise I'm not sure what it could be.
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Thanks for the resources! I’ll have to read through those in more detail later.
akam chinjir wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:50 am
That’s pretty interesting — all of the resources I found mentioned that optional ergative marking is often used to emphasise the agent or its agentivity, but none mentioned this. Do you have any resources I could use to learn more about this?
Huh, I feel like it comes up reasonably often. Maybe this sort of thing is more salient in formal work for some reason? But also I'm not sure what I've read that focuses on this. I mean, I know it's in Baker's book Case, which is actually a treasure trove of typologically interesting patterns, but which might be hard-going if you're not interested in the formal stuff.
I’m not too interested in the formal stuff — in fact, I find it hard to understand any of it — which is probably why I never saw this in any of the resources I found. But that Baker book sounds interesting; I’ll have to see if I can find a copy.
Maybe Woolford, Ergativity and transitivity?
I looked through this briefly, but I can’t find anything relating optional ergative marking to differential object marking, like you said. Which page(s) were you thinking about?
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I looked through this briefly, but I can’t find anything relating optional ergative marking to differential object marking, like you said. Which page(s) were you thinking about?
When she talks about "object shift," that's the connection.

Here's the background idea, as I understand it. The term "object shift" comes from the study of Scandinavian languages in which some objects can or must move out of the verb phrase, whereas others can't. In some languages you seem to get something similar, with shift out of the verb phrase happening specifically with objects that are sufficiently definite or specific or whatever. (In the Scandinavian languagess, the most common pattern as I understand things is for pronominal objects to have to move, though there are complicating details.)

This pattern gets used to explain differential object marking in some languages, the idea being that only objects that move out of the verb phrase get marked with accusative case. In sort of functionalist terms, you could say that the differentiating role of accusative case is only triggered when the object moves out of the verb phrase, and close to the subject. (But: though this sort of analysis seems to work pretty well in some languages, like Turkish, there are plenty of others where it doesn't; I'm pretty sure Spanish is one of the ones where it doesn't.)

Anyway, Woolford's overall argument is that there are no languages in which the case rule is simply that the subject of a transitive verb gets ergative case. One of her main subarguments is that in many languages, the rule is that the subject gets ergative case if the verb is transitive and the object has shifted. (But: this involves saying that in a fair number of languages, there's also a rule that the object has to shift, regardless of definiteness and so on; it's a bit unsatisfying, imo.)
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bradrn wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:32 pm I’m not too sure how long the image URL will last; please tell me if it disappears!)
It's disappeared for me.
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Here there is accusative marking extending in from the left, but no ergative marking on the right.
Would it be very implausible for a language to mark the inanimate end of the diagram with the ergative? Would there be a functional reason not to? (Asking for my own conlanging purposes)
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akam chinjir wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:15 am
I looked through this briefly, but I can’t find anything relating optional ergative marking to differential object marking, like you said. Which page(s) were you thinking about?
When she talks about "object shift," that's the connection.

Here's the background idea, as I understand it. The term "object shift" comes from the study of Scandinavian languages in which some objects can or must move out of the verb phrase, whereas others can't. In some languages you seem to get something similar, with shift out of the verb phrase happening specifically with objects that are sufficiently definite or specific or whatever. (In the Scandinavian languagess, the most common pattern as I understand things is for pronominal objects to have to move, though there are complicating details.)

This pattern gets used to explain differential object marking in some languages, the idea being that only objects that move out of the verb phrase get marked with accusative case. In sort of functionalist terms, you could say that the differentiating role of accusative case is only triggered when the object moves out of the verb phrase, and close to the subject. (But: though this sort of analysis seems to work pretty well in some languages, like Turkish, there are plenty of others where it doesn't; I'm pretty sure Spanish is one of the ones where it doesn't.)
Oh, thanks! I think I did understand the idea of ‘object shift’, but somehow I never connected it with differential marking in my mind.
Anyway, Woolford's overall argument is that there are no languages in which the case rule is simply that the subject of a transitive verb gets ergative case. One of her main subarguments is that in many languages, the rule is that the subject gets ergative case if the verb is transitive and the object has shifted. (But: this involves saying that in a fair number of languages, there's also a rule that the object has to shift, regardless of definiteness and so on; it's a bit unsatisfying, imo.)
I agree that this feels very unsatisfying. This is the main reason why I’m always a bit suspicious of formal approaches in linguistics: most of them seem to need this sort of weird manoeuvring to explain even elementary phenomena.
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Weird — I can see it just fine. Does this link work for you? https://previews.dropbox.com/p/thumb/AA ... ize_mode=5 If it doesn’t, then I’ll have to find another place to host this image.
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Here there is accusative marking extending in from the left, but no ergative marking on the right.
Would it be very implausible for a language to mark the inanimate end of the diagram with the ergative? Would there be a functional reason not to? (Asking for my own conlanging purposes)
I think your question is a bit ambiguous. Are you talking about this sort of system?

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If so, then: yes, this is definitely plausible — it’s just a simple animacy-based split, albeit with the split being between animate and inanimate nouns rather than between pronouns and common nouns (which is more common).
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Thanks for the great post! Very interesting again.

One possible typo: example 3 of Tibetan has "khōng-kiʼ" for "he-ABS", but in 2 the exact same is glossed as "he-ERG". Also, there's no mention of the meaning (if any) of the reversal of "food" and "he", which possibly complicates things?
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jal wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:55 pm Thanks for the great post! Very interesting again.

One possible typo: example 3 of Tibetan has "khōng-kiʼ" for "he-ABS", but in 2 the exact same is glossed as "he-ERG". Also, there's no mention of the meaning (if any) of the reversal of "food" and "he", which possibly complicates things?
Whoops! The second “khōng-kiʼ” is also supposed to be he-ERG; I’ll fix that now. Thanks for finding that!

Also, as for the reversal: I would have liked to mention it, but neither of the sources I used with this sentence (McGregor and Tournadre) mention it. Do you think it would be sensible to remove that last example entirely for clarity?
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That's not weird per se - I get a 401 (unautherized), so you've probably not set it to public access.
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bradrn wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:56 pmAlso, as for the reversal: I would have liked to mention it, but neither of the sources I used with this sentence (McGregor and Tournadre) mention it. Do you think it would be sensible to remove that last example entirely for clarity?
Well, it seems more of a kind of focus fronting than anything else, not really ergativity-related.
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jal wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:16 am
bradrn wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:56 pmAlso, as for the reversal: I would have liked to mention it, but neither of the sources I used with this sentence (McGregor and Tournadre) mention it. Do you think it would be sensible to remove that last example entirely for clarity?
Well, it seems more of a kind of focus fronting than anything else, not really ergativity-related.
Yes, I suppose this is true. I’ve edited it now to remove the third example (the one with the fronting).
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So split ergativity gives me a headache. Let me explain why. Apologies if this is really basic, but I genuinely struggle a bit here.

Hypothetical language - Ergativish. Ergativish is a split ergative language with an animacy hierarchy and let's assume that the split is between humans and other animates - so accusative marking runs in through pronouns, Proper names and humans. Ergative marking runs in from the other side. For humans the nominative (ie S and A) is unmarked and let's say the accusative is marked by -a (so if man is nam in Ergativish, nam is the nominative form and nama the accusative. If we are talking about a cow (non-human animate) the absolutive (S and O) is unmarked. Ergative is marked by -u. So if cow = woc, woc is the absolutive and wocu the ergative.

Does not mean that the nominative/absolutive are basically the same, but syncretic? Now let's extend it so that humans and proper names are tripartite so we overlap in the middle. Does that mean that nam = nominative (ie S), nama = accusative (ie O) and namu ergative (ie A)?

Is that how it would work? I suppose you couldn't leave O unmarked here, without marking S and A differently? But then you would have to have different suffixes in the middle than at either end, which I'm guessing wouldn't happen - or it would be difficult to explain how it happens

Hypothetical Language 2: Absolutivish. Absolutivish is a Split S language. Depending on the verb it is either Nom/Acc or Erg/Abs. Have you got an example of how this gets marked on the verb, because I'm struggling a bit here. If fall is llaf in Absolutivish and S=A. I fall becomes I llaf-A, but if weep is peew in Absolutivish and S=O then I weep becomes I peew-O.

But what about transitives? I hit you (and hit is tiw in Absolutivish) how do you then mark this because A and O are marked the same way in the intransitive examples above. Do we get case marking on the pronouns here

I-Erg tiw you-Abs = I hit you

or is it still done on the verb in which case we need quite rigid word order? I tiw-A you means I hit you. You tiw-A I means you hit me. But can this not end up looking a bit like a Direct/Inverse system, so you can imagine I tiw-A you means I hit you, but I tiw-O you means you hit me?

Does the question even make sense?
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