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Travis B. wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2026 11:39 pm The racist noise I have heard is that Jews and East Asians are the Übermenschen (cf. the percentage of Nobel prize winners who are Jewish versus the percentage of the world population which is Jewish), and that (non-Jewish) White people need to 'protect' themselves from them because if things are on an even playing field Jews and East Asians will run roughshod over them as they are naturally superior to (non-Jewish) White people.
That's the new fascist talking point. The old Nazi talking point was that Jews have subhuman intelligence.

The Nazis said they could detect nebulous "Jewish influences" in sciences, arts, societies, etc. corrupted by Jewish stupidity. Technically, this attitude predates the Nazis. Mahler's music was panned in his lifetime because Germans thought it sounded too Jewish and not "organic" enough.* This is an extension of an idea that "rooted" things are good, which was pervasive in prewar Germany but seems to have disappeared since then. There's a famous novel called The Man Without Qualities that talks about it at length. Today, it only seems to survive in some attitudes of leftist existentialists (who are often Jewish; often German Jewish too). The right seems to have gone full Deleuzian, saying Muslims are bad because their societies tend to be traditional. The old right thought that's a good thing.

Back in the day, the right was trying to protect the interests of people who had a lot of money and didn't want anyone else to make any. Today's right fights for the interests of people who want to make a lot of money fast. That's the difference. Today's right hoodwinks the masses into thinking they could be millionaires too if the dirty Muslims and Mexicans weren't in the way.**

Like Jews in the West, there are minorities overrepresented in intellectual professions in India too, like Zoroastrian Parsis and later immigrants from Muslim Persia. (My mother's family was originally Muslim Persian centuries ago, or so they claim.) The Jains are also in this group, and they are the biggest supporters of BJP in India.

Jews were historically discriminated against in general professions like farming. That's why they were forced into the cities in financial professions and outcast jobs like acting. They still had a sizable working class population, especially in the east like the Pale of Settlement, until it was decimated in the Holocaust.

It often happens in financial families that the next generation wants to go into social professions like education or entertainment instead of just moving money back and forth. This was represented in Goethe's novel Wilhelm Meister's Apprentice. It's also Schopenhauer's life story IIRC.*** (Same with Walter Benjamin IIRC. IIRC Wittgenstein too?)

When a demographic puts a lot of effort into something, some of them are statistically likely to succeed. Having money also helps in going into risky ventures like education. There, the occasional outlay of funds can be necessary. And if one thing doesn't work, their network of acquaintances can put them to work on something else. (I have no safety net of that kind.)

I feel a little awkward discussing this in so much detail given neither of us are Jewish.

* Italians thought German music like Mozart sounded too "swinish". From what I can tell, they thought it's too shameless and unrestrained. The combinations are too dense to be within the bounds of good taste.

** Their money making ventures are funded by Muslim sheikhs from the Middle East. The fools sunk in value-based reasoning, some of whom have high technical intelligence, keep thinking this is a temporary absurdity that will disappear as irreconcilable differences in values surface. In reality, other values have no material effect in comparison to the value these sides agree on: making money.

*** Schopenhauer was the OG Sam Harris. Harris pushes meditation. Schopenhauer pushed his own version of Buddhism. Harris is an Islamophobe. Schopenhauer was an Antisemite. Today's Islamophobes would have been Antisemites back in the day. The arguments and stereotypes are identical. (The ones in the West haven't yet come around to lying about Muslims being smart. I hear Israelis talking about how their enemies are so much more sophisticated than them all the time.) One major difference is that Schopenhauer fully embraced the pessimism that's traditional in Buddhism.
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Did you guys know that Bookchin, despite being an anarchist, still recommends Hegel's Science of Logic? To think that theoreticians of modern anarchism still try to build on Hegelian dialectics, all because Plato once wrote a silly little play called Parmenides to show how reasoning can attribute seemingly contradictory predicates to the same subject at the same time at different levels of derivation.
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Sort of intercultural perception question: how would people in the place you live or the community you belong to perceive a town/city of about 70,000 to 80,000 people? I mean in terms of size, cultural expectations, and whatever else you might think of? How about people from other places or communities you are, or used to be, familiar with?
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Raphael wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 5:17 am Sort of intercultural perception question: how would people in the place you live or the community you belong to perceive a town/city of about 70,000 to 80,000 people? I mean in terms of size, cultural expectations, and whatever else you might think of? How about people from other places or communities you are, or used to be, familiar with?
Around here, it'd be a suburb-- one of the larger ones, but a suburb is inherently just a small part of a large urban agglomeration.

Elsewhere in Illinois, it'd be a substantial town. There are only about 7 towns in Illinois outside the Chicago area with more than 50,000 population.

The same is roughly true of Massachusetts, where I lived for awhile, except that half of the state can be considered part of the Boston metropolitan area... there's only one major town outside it, Springfield.
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zompist wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 5:28 am
Around here, it'd be a suburb-- one of the larger ones, but a suburb is inherently just a small part of a large urban agglomeration.

Elsewhere in Illinois, it'd be a substantial town. There are only about 7 towns in Illinois outside the Chicago area with more than 50,000 population.

The same is roughly true of Massachusetts, where I lived for awhile, except that half of the state can be considered part of the Boston metropolitan area... there's only one major town outside it, Springfield.
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Raphael wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 5:17 am Sort of intercultural perception question: how would people in the place you live or the community you belong to perceive a town/city of about 70,000 to 80,000 people? I mean in terms of size, cultural expectations, and whatever else you might think of? How about people from other places or communities you are, or used to be, familiar with?
In New South Wales there are only about seven cities with a population greater than that. However, there’s a pretty massive difference between Sydney and the rest — the next biggest city after Sydney is roughly 8× smaller. From a Sydney-centric perspective it’s sometimes as if the rest of the state didn’t exist. A city of 70,000 people would be one of the biggest cities in the state but still not really comparable to Sydney. Within Sydney, a council area of 70,000 people would be a reasonably distinct area with its own local identity, but still considered a part of the city at large.

(From a UK perspective, I wouldn’t know.)
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Raphael wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 5:17 am Sort of intercultural perception question: how would people in the place you live or the community you belong to perceive a town/city of about 70,000 to 80,000 people? I mean in terms of size, cultural expectations, and whatever else you might think of? How about people from other places or communities you are, or used to be, familiar with?
depends: san antonio has around 80k and it's by all accounts a city, but that's cause it's an important harbor -probably the main one, and you're likely to see all sorts of offices, trucks carrying containers and other stuff that feels urban, but san felipe, with about as many people feels a lot more like a rural town because it is in the middle of a bunch of farmland, so you'll see people on horseback and trucks filled with fruit and veggies.
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Raphael wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 5:17 am Sort of intercultural perception question: how would people in the place you live or the community you belong to perceive a town/city of about 70,000 to 80,000 people? I mean in terms of size, cultural expectations, and whatever else you might think of? How about people from other places or communities you are, or used to be, familiar with?
I'd make the same remarks about suburbs as everybody else. But I think you'll be more interested in cultural / local differences.
In my former neighborhood in Paris, 70,000 people is a handful of streets. Downtown Paris has really high population density in places (higher than Manhattan I think), though it doesn't necessarily feel that way.

Beyond that... An agglomeration of 70,000 people is a mid-sized city. But I'd add two things of note:
  • Population is very unevenly distributed in France. So in densely populated Northern France, the Saint-Omer agglomeration with 73 530 is a small town. Le Puy en Velay ( 38,077) in the Massif central is the largest city in a radius of a 100 kilometers. So all in all you'll find a lot more there.
  • Tourism is a huge factor. Quimper(75,636) in Brittany gets a lot of tourism. So I expect it'll feel more lively, and you'll find a lot more to do than in Saint-Omer (interesting in its own right, but not in the most attractive area for tourism.)
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Here in Scotland, 70-80 thousand is about the size of our fifth biggest "locality", Paisley. Within the Central Belt it would count as a pretty big town; outside of it it's bigger than the largest "settlement", Inverness, and more than twice the size of anything else.
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alice wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 2:52 pm Here in Scotland, 70-80 thousand is about the size of our fifth biggest "locality", Paisley. Within the Central Belt it would count as a pretty big town; outside of it it's bigger than the largest "settlement", Inverness, and more than twice the size of anything else.
Isn’t Aberdeen bigger than Inverness?
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bradrn wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 3:01 pm
alice wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 2:52 pm Here in Scotland, 70-80 thousand is about the size of our fifth biggest "locality", Paisley. Within the Central Belt it would count as a pretty big town; outside of it it's bigger than the largest "settlement", Inverness, and more than twice the size of anything else.
Isn’t Aberdeen bigger than Inverness?
It is, but it just about qualifies as "Central Belt" rather than "Highlands"..
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alice wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2026 2:18 pm
bradrn wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 3:01 pm
alice wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 2:52 pm Here in Scotland, 70-80 thousand is about the size of our fifth biggest "locality", Paisley. Within the Central Belt it would count as a pretty big town; outside of it it's bigger than the largest "settlement", Inverness, and more than twice the size of anything else.
Isn’t Aberdeen bigger than Inverness?
It is, but it just about qualifies as "Central Belt" rather than "Highlands"..
Huh, didn’t know that.
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Raphael wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 5:17 am Sort of intercultural perception question: how would people in the place you live or the community you belong to perceive a town/city of about 70,000 to 80,000 people? I mean in terms of size, cultural expectations, and whatever else you might think of? How about people from other places or communities you are, or used to be, familiar with?
My state's capital city has about that many people in it! So, it has a university, hospital, and government buildings.

But it's all relative. My grandparents have lived near or in a town with about 1000 people in it their whole lives, so they'd describe it as a big city, but somebody from a truly big city, like zompist from Chicago, describe it as just a suburb.
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bradrn wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2026 2:20 pm
alice wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2026 2:18 pm
bradrn wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 3:01 pm

Isn’t Aberdeen bigger than Inverness?
It is, but it just about qualifies as "Central Belt" rather than "Highlands"..
Huh, didn’t know that.
The important word is "just", but it's easy to understand if you look at a relief map.
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alice wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2026 2:55 pm
bradrn wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2026 2:20 pm
alice wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2026 2:18 pm

It is, but it just about qualifies as "Central Belt" rather than "Highlands"..
Huh, didn’t know that.
The important word is "just", but it's easy to understand if you look at a relief map.
As indeed I have (many times). I’ve never been quite sure what to make of that area east of the Cairngorms, which clearly isn’t part of the Central Belt (which geologically stops at Stonehaven) but which doesn’t quite seem to be part of the Highlands either.
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Thank you, everyone! I had asked because over the past half year, I've sometimes gotten to visit a nearby city in that range and saw it as a very nice place to visit, apparently big enough for some of the upsides of city life, but still more charming than many larger places. If I wouldn't be in a position where I'm in some ways tied to a place, I'd even seriously think about moving there. And that got me thinking - I've got the impression that places like that don't feature much in pop culture. Characters in popular fiction usually seem to live either in smaller town or villages, or in much larger cities, or in suburbs of much larger cities.

jcb wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2026 2:42 pm
But it's all relative. My grandparents have lived near or in a town with about 1000 people in it their whole lives, so they'd describe it as a big city, but somebody from a truly big city, like zompist from Chicago, describe it as just a suburb.
Not sure if there are that many people, including zompist, who'd call a place a "suburb" if it's larger than any other nearby place, no matter how big or small it might be.
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Raphael wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2026 3:56 pm
jcb wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2026 2:42 pm But it's all relative. My grandparents have lived near or in a town with about 1000 people in it their whole lives, so they'd describe it as a big city, but somebody from a truly big city, like zompist from Chicago, describe it as just a suburb.
Not sure if there are that many people, including zompist, who'd call a place a "suburb" if it's larger than any other nearby place, no matter how big or small it might be.
Yeah, a suburb has to be part of a large urban area. However, I'd find it hard to call a place of 1000 more than a "town". :)

(I assume we're only talking about modern times. A place with 5000 people would be a respectable "city" in ancient times.)
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zompist wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2026 4:46 pmYeah, a suburb has to be part of a large urban area. However, I'd find it hard to call a place of 1000 more than a "town". :)

(I assume we're only talking about modern times. A place with 5000 people would be a respectable "city" in ancient times.)
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