The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread

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prerogative?
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anteallach wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:49 am prerogative?
Seemingly [pʰɻ̩ˈɻʷɔgəɾɨv~pʰɞˈɻʷɔgəɾɨv]
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/ˌprijˈrɑgətɨv/ ~ /prɨˈrɑgətiv/ (where /ɨ/ is basically [ə˞ ])
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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I'm American and I pronounce "manure" as "ma noo er". Three syllables.
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anteallach wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:49 am prerogative?
[pʰʁ̩ːˈʁɑːɡɘɾɘːf]
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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"Carl" and "Charles". One or two syllables. I have "Car-l" and "Char-les". Two syllables.
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Travis B. wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:51 pm [pʰʁ̩ːˈʁɑːɡɘɾɘːf]
Znex wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:58 am Seemingly [pʰɻ̩ˈɻʷɔgəɾɨv~pʰɞˈɻʷɔgəɾɨv]
Thereby showing that I have bad intuition about flapping: for me the last syllable feels more strongly stressed than the one before it, so I didn't expect [ɾ].

The bit I was wondering about was the beginning: it feels to me like any of [pɹəˈɹɔg], [pəˈɹɔg], [pɹɔg], [pɹ̩ˈɔg] and even the phonotactically weird [pɹəˈɔg] are possible.
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Space60 wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:49 am "Carl" and "Charles". One or two syllables. I have "Car-l" and "Char-les". Two syllables.
Both single syllables, with a vowel something like [ɑə] and variable hints of rhoticity.

I'm pretty sure many British English speakers have a Carl-Kyle merger.
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Carl [kʰɑˑɰ]
Charles [t͡ʃʰɑˑɰz]
Kyle [ˈkʰɐˑj.ɯ̆]
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Carl: [kʰɑːʁɰ]
Charles: [tʃʰɑːʁɰs]
Kyle: [kʰa(ː)ɤ̯]~[kʰaːe̯ɯ(ː)]
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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anteallach wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:21 pm
Travis B. wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:51 pm [pʰʁ̩ːˈʁɑːɡɘɾɘːf]
Znex wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:58 am Seemingly [pʰɻ̩ˈɻʷɔgəɾɨv~pʰɞˈɻʷɔgəɾɨv]
Thereby showing that I have bad intuition about flapping: for me the last syllable feels more strongly stressed than the one before it, so I didn't expect [ɾ].
Syllables following stressed syllables are typically less stressed than the syllables that in turn follow them to me as well; however, these syllables do not necessarily have a proper primary or secondary stress, and intervocalic /t d n nt/ (and sometimes /nd/) are for me normally flapped unless the syllable they form the onset of/precede is actually primarily or secondarily stressed.
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Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Space60 wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:49 am "Carl" and "Charles". One or two syllables. I have "Car-l" and "Char-les". Two syllables.
one syllable, but I remember, when I was about ten, figuring they ought to be pronounced with one syllable because they're spelled with one syllable, and training myself to do so
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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Space60 wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:49 am "Carl" and "Charles". One or two syllables. I have "Car-l" and "Char-les". Two syllables.
+ Kyle
These are all unambiguously monosyllabic to me.
/kɐːɫ/ /tʃɐːɫz/ /kaɪ̯ə̯ɫ/
[kʰɐˑo̯] [tʃɐˑo̯z̥] [kʰɐe̯o̯]
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How many syllables do you have in "squirrel"? I've read that "squirreled" is the longest word with one syllable, but for me both "squirrel" and "squirreled" have two syllables.
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Space60 wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:30 pm How many syllables do you have in "squirrel"? I've read that "squirreled" is the longest word with one syllable, but for me both "squirrel" and "squirreled" have two syllables.
Neither [skwʁ̩(ː)ɯ̯] nor [skwʁ̩ːɯ̯t] are disyllabic for me. For me the longest monosyllabic word IMD is [ɕtɕɻ͡ʁẽŋkθs].
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Travis B. wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:22 pm
Space60 wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:30 pm How many syllables do you have in "squirrel"? I've read that "squirreled" is the longest word with one syllable, but for me both "squirrel" and "squirreled" have two syllables.
Neither [skwʁ̩(ː)ɯ̯] nor [skwʁ̩ːɯ̯t] are disyllabic for me. For me the longest monosyllabic word IMD is [ɕtɕɻ͡ʁẽŋkθs].
They meant longest as in how many letters the word is spelled with, not how many sounds the word has. In terms of how many letters the word has "squirreled" is longer than "strengths".
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Space60 wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:25 pm They meant longest as in how many letters the word is spelled with, not how many sounds the word has. In terms of how many letters the word has "squirreled" is longer than "strengths".
I know that's what you meant, but I'm not of the opinion that that's a very good way to measure the length of words.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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Space60 wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:30 pm How many syllables do you have in "squirrel"? I've read that "squirreled" is the longest word with one syllable, but for me both "squirrel" and "squirreled" have two syllables.
one syllable, /skwɚl/

ɚl = one syllable
aɹl = one syllable as spelling pronunciation
other Vɹl (foreign names only?) = two syllables

ajl = two syllables
æwl = one or two syllables, unclear ('howl' has one syllable, 'owl' 'towel' etc. have either one or two)
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
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What do you guys have for the following?

I don't
you don't
he doesn't
I was
you were
he was
can
would
should
could
can't
wouldn't
shouldn't
couldn't
have got to (i.e. 've gotta)
be going to (i.e. be gonna)
want to (i.e. wanna)

How do you pronounce these in you most informal, reduced speech? Specifically, I am looking to see if any of you have certain pronunciations found here, but I don't want to influence your answers.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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I don't [əˈɾɞ͡ʉnt̚]
you don't [jəˈɾɞ͡ʉnt̚]
he doesn't [ɪˈɾɐzn̩t̚]
I was [ɜˈwəz]
you were [jɜˈwɜ]
he was [ɪˈwəz]
can [ᵏŋ̍]
would [wɵd̚ ~ -d̚]
should [ʃə̆d̚]
could [k(ʰ)ɵ̆d̚]
can't [k(ʰ)ɑnt̚]
wouldn't [wʊᵈnt̚]
shouldn't [ʃʊᵈnt̚]
couldn't [k(ʰ)ʊᵈnt̚]
have got to (i.e. 've gotta) [(ə)vˈɡɔɾə]
want to (i.e. wanna)] [wɐ̃ɾ̃ɐ̃]

Not quite sure about be going to… that particular construction strikes me as somewhat unusual, and the reduced form be gonna is borderline ungrammatical for me (unless there’s some context I’m not seeing). But I’m gonna is fine, and I pronounce it as [ŋ̍ˈɡɜ̃ɾ̃ɐ̃].

(I’m not quite sure if I transcribed all the vowels correctly, particularly the extra-short and low vowels, but the transcriptions should be at least reasonably accurate.)
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