Phrase evolution game
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Re: Phrase evolution game
You shall not destroy but transform.
Its up to you guys
Its up to you guys
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Re: Phrase evolution game
I was mostly being facetious.
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What about this?
Esperanto estis desegnita kiel helplingvo sed ĝi fariĝis mondlingvo kun miliardoj da denaskaj parolantoj
[espe'ranto 'estis dese'gnita kiel help'lingvo sed ĝi fa'riĝis mond'lingvo kun mi'liardoj da de'naskaj paro'lantoj]
1. Change from syllabe timing to pitch accent
esperanto be.PST designed as auxiliary-langusge.NOM but it become.PST world-language.NOM with bilion.PL of native.PL speaker.PL
Esperanto estis desegnita kiel helplingvo sed ĝi fariĝis mondlingvo kun miliardoj da denaskaj parolantoj
[espe'ranto 'estis dese'gnita kiel help'lingvo sed ĝi fa'riĝis mond'lingvo kun mi'liardoj da de'naskaj paro'lantoj]
1. Change from syllabe timing to pitch accent
esperanto be.PST designed as auxiliary-langusge.NOM but it become.PST world-language.NOM with bilion.PL of native.PL speaker.PL
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Re: Phrase evolution game
it could be destroyed further. engage tangut beams
- Coda voicing contrast collapses
- Coda -ɕ > -is, -Sk > -kS
- -k > χ
- Retraction develops from low vowels /ɛ ɐ/ in minor syllables and coda -χ
- Coda -cɕ -s > -t -h
- ɔ > o
- Unstressed vowels are lost; preinitial /w/ metathesizes; other preinitials condition creaky voice
- ea > ə
- Remaining finals lenite: -p > -w, -t > -ʴ, N > nasalization
ʑjeʴ bwow to ɕjœ̠ mjwɔ̠̃j je tɑ̠h ʑjo̰w, ʑjeʴ i dʑjeʴj ɑ̠ʴ ʑjə̰h mjœ̠̃y mwɔ̠̃w nɛ̠̰j mjœ̠̃y i ʑjḛih
Ljäcz buop to siewjök majuoin nje taksz sieljoł, ljäcz i dljieicz at sieljeas. Amwjełn amwołn szaneich amwjełn i sieljesz.
- Coda voicing contrast collapses
- Coda -ɕ > -is, -Sk > -kS
- -k > χ
- Retraction develops from low vowels /ɛ ɐ/ in minor syllables and coda -χ
- Coda -cɕ -s > -t -h
- ɔ > o
- Unstressed vowels are lost; preinitial /w/ metathesizes; other preinitials condition creaky voice
- ea > ə
- Remaining finals lenite: -p > -w, -t > -ʴ, N > nasalization
ʑjeʴ bwow to ɕjœ̠ mjwɔ̠̃j je tɑ̠h ʑjo̰w, ʑjeʴ i dʑjeʴj ɑ̠ʴ ʑjə̰h mjœ̠̃y mwɔ̠̃w nɛ̠̰j mjœ̠̃y i ʑjḛih
Ljäcz buop to siewjök majuoin nje taksz sieljoł, ljäcz i dljieicz at sieljeas. Amwjełn amwołn szaneich amwjełn i sieljesz.
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
Re: Phrase evolution game
Ooh, let me have a go at destroying it!
Ljäcz buop to siewjök majuoin nje taksz sieljoł, ljäcz i dljieicz at sieljeas. Amwjełn amwołn szaneich amwjełn i sieljesz.
- Vʴ → ʁV, Ṽ → Vm~Vn~Vɲ~Vŋ~Vŋʷ
- jC → ɣCʲ, Cj Cw → Cʲ Cʷ, bw mw → bβ ŋʷ
- rhinoglottophilia: Vh → Ṽ, also V[+nasal] → Ṽ[+nasal]
- mʲ ʑʲ ɕʲ wʲ ʁʲ → ɲʷ j j ɥ h, ChV → hCV
- (C…)V̰ → ʔ(C…)V̰
- ow ej ɛ̠j œ̠ œ̠y ɑ̠ ɔ̠ ɔ̠j → u i ə ɞ ɵ ɑˤ ɔˤ ɤˤ
Ljäcz buop to siewjök majuoin nje taksz sieljoł, ljäcz i dljieicz at sieljeas. Amwjełn amwołn szaneich amwjełn i sieljesz.
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Re: Phrase evolution game
- Epenthetic /ə/ inserted between two consonants
- Central vowels /ɵ ɤ ə ɞ/ → /ø o e ɛ/
- Intervocalic lenition /ʑ β dʑ n/ → /Ø w j ~/; /VjV VwV/ → /Vi̯ Vu̯/
- /eu̯ ei̯/ → /øː iː/
- Coda consonants lost, giving falling tone; pharyngealisation gives high tone and length gives rising tone. Long nasal vowels and pharyngealised vowels with codas get contour ˦˥˨
- New orthography introduced with tone letters
Hex bqx to jz meyob je tah 7ix, hex i hix rah jem nyqm nwcb 7eb nyqm i 7im
Re: Phrase evolution game
- /i e u o/ → /iː i uː u/
- /ø/ → e / ! Cʷ_
- ɛ ɔ → a o
- ɑ → ə
- ŋʷ → kʷ
- Cʷ → C
- ɥ ʁ → g
- h → ç → ɕ / _i
- j → ʝ → ʑ
- ɲ → j
Hex bqx to jz meyob je tah 7ix, hex i hix rah jem nyqm nwcb 7eb nyqm i 7im
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From Polish to Chinese? Geez
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- Rising tone breaks a short vowel to a diphthong that ends in a schwa, long [iː] > [ei], [uː] > [ou]
- Mid tone triggers an offglide depending on the preceding vowel;
- Top tone triggers the insertion of [j];
- Falling tone triggers the insertion of [w]
- [iə eə] > [ie eː], [uw] > [ʉw] > [ʉː], [aw] > [ɑː], [ei əj] > [ai], [øw ow] > [oː]. [iw] > [øː], [iːw] > [yː], [iːj] > [iː], [ij] > [eː]
- Glottal stop fortifies to [q]
- Shift back to a more historical orthography.
Sie bej tuł zsa mejguł zsej taj qaj, sie i szaj gaj zsoł joł kuoł geuł joł i qüł.
My, Polish has been on quite the journey.
Re: Phrase evolution game
I liked the Polish with tone letters myself.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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- q → h
- ai → ɛː
- kʷ → p
- Syllables with a voiceless or null onset become high, all else become low.
- /h/ deletes and leaves the syllable as rising tone.
- Voiced plosives devoice.
- Rising tone reanalysed as high tone; high tone becomes mid tone (unmarked).
- Monophthongization.
- ʉ → ɯ
- ɕ ʑ → ʃ z
Sie pè tu zà mèkù zè taj áj, sie i saj kàj zò jò po éú jò i ý.
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- V V́ V̀ are now IPAed /˩ ˥ ˧/
- /j/ → /i/
- If two vowels in a word have the same tone, the first tone changes; V˧V˧ gives V˥V˧ and V˩V˩ gives V˧˦V˩
- final vowels in polysyllabic words are lost, with their tone switching to the first syllable
- Coda consonants lax vowel /e/ → /ɤ/ and are lost
- Vowel shift /i y ɯ u e ø ɤ o ɛ ɑ/ → /ɤi̯ iu̯ ɤæ̯ ou̯ i i ɤ u æ o/
- New orthography
Xvim pic tou zoc mvg zim te eh, xvim vi xe ke zuc viq pu ih viq vi iuh
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- Falling tones insert [əɹ] following a short vowel;
- Rising tones insert [jə] following a short vowel;
- Tonality reanalysed as a pitch accent; high-pitch [ə] > [é], low-pitch [ə̀] > [ò]
- Falling Diphthongs become bimoraic, with first mora always rising, the pitch of the second is environmentally determined;
- High-pitched [ɤ́] > [á], low-pitched > [è] [æ] > [ja] after velars, [a] elsewhere;
- [ʃ z] merge to [s], or [ɕ] before [i]
- The nasty new orthography is suppressed, though a few concessions are made to tone-marking with letters, notably historical-style "ł" follows low-tone back vowels , and low-tone high vowels are followed by "j"; the Polish Government and EU are unlikely to consent to any further radical orthographic changes after the period of recent chaos.
Saioł piorł touł soorł mejeorł siorł ta aje, saije jorł aij sa kjajorł suorł aiorł pu ie aiorł ai iłjo.
Getting a lot of mileage out of Polish, aren't we?
Re: Phrase evolution game
- /j ɹ w/ → /ɖʐ dð ɡ/ → /ɖ d ɡ/
- Germanic-type plosive shift /p t d ɖ k ɡ/ → /ɸ θ t ʈ h k/
- /θ t/ → /t ʈ/
- Intervocalic /t ʈ k/ → /l ɻ j/
- ɻ colours vowels to /ɚ/; VɻV become /ɚ/
- VjV → i
- Vowel sequences collapse
- The EU starts using Cyrillic; diacritics are only rarely used but are official
Ср̂ фр̂д ѳу́ си́д мр̂д шр̂д та р̌, ср̂ то̀т э̂ са хтр̂т си̂т р̂т фу р̌ р̂т э̂ ӱр́
(I feel like this is probably still mutually intelligible with Polish, although the orthography might be a bit confusing...)
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- All final consonants are lost
- All non-sibilant initial fricatives > /h/
- /h/ before a consonant is lost
- /ʈ/ > /t/
- /ɚ/ > /ə/
- Isolating morphology turns to agglutination
- /əə/ > /ə/, taking the tone of the second vowel
- A back vowel before another vowel becomes /w/, and loses its tone
- A front vowel before another vowel becomes /j/, and loses its tone
- A central vowel before another vowel is elided
- Tone turns into pitch accent, with only the final syllable of a word being assigned pitch
- /ə/ is deleted, starting from the start of a word, unless it was already deleted in the previous syllable or it falls on the final syllable
- /sh/ > /s/, /h/ > 0 \ _V
- /sj/ > /ɕ/
- The Polish revolt against being made to use Cyrillic by the EU.
Sesimśetě stwæsatśəwæyé.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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- Vowel chain shift [a ɛ ə i] > [e i a ɨ];
- Falling-rising shifts to falling;
- Coda [m] vocalises to [w];
- [w] > [ɥ] before [i]; [stɥ] > [ɕcɕ] > [ɕɨcɕ];
- Transposition [awi] > [eiw] > [ow]; [ɨw] > [u]; [ɨ] > [o]
- [ɥ] > [vʲ]
- Palatals eject [j] before vowels other than [i];
- We all know I'm going to throw a bunch of historical-looking orthography in;
Sasuszjatà szjoczwiseczjołwjá.
This feels like we've come back to very contracted Polish.
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- Alveolopalatals become retroflex
- Palatalization is lost after retroflex consonants
- [e o] > [ɛ ɔ]
- Palatalization occurs before [ɛ] except for retroflexes (note that does not apply in this example)
- j > 0 \ _V
Sasuszatà szoczwisieczołwiá.
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.
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- /vi vʲa/ → /u/
- /i u ɛ ɔ a/ → /ə a i o ã/
- /tʂ/ → /t͡ɬ’/
- /s sʲ ʂ/ → /θ s ɬ/
- Pitch accent lost, but contrastive stress introduced
- Two competing orthographies, one more historic and the other phonemic, are used
θąθałą́tą łoƛ̓asiƛ̓owá
Sąsaszą́tą szoczaśiczołá
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Re: Phrase evolution game
- stressed open-syllable a > ai
- j w > ɟ g
- Ṽ > VN
- F > PF / N_
- unstressed a > ə; əC > əC: / _V
[θəntθəɬˈɬaɲctəŋ ɬot͡ɬ’əssit͡ɬ’oˈgaɟ]
θąθałłą́ytą łoƛ̓assiƛ̓owáy
- j w > ɟ g
- Ṽ > VN
- F > PF / N_
- unstressed a > ə; əC > əC: / _V
[θəntθəɬˈɬaɲctəŋ ɬot͡ɬ’əssit͡ɬ’oˈgaɟ]
θąθałłą́ytą łoƛ̓assiƛ̓owáy
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
Re: Phrase evolution game
I’m sick of Polish. Let’s start on Esperanto:
Esperanto ehtis desegnita kiel hel’lingvo sed ĝi fariĝis mon’lingvo kun miliardoj da denahkaj parolantoj.
esperanto be.PST designed as auxiliary-langusge.NOM but it=become.PST world-language.NOM with billion.PL of=native.PL speaker.PL
Otto Kretschmer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:28 pm [espe'ranto 'estis dese'gnita kiel help'lingvo sed ĝi fa'riĝis mond'lingvo kun mi'liardoj da de'naskaj paro'lantoj]
- Nasal PoA assimilation to following stop
- C₁C₂C₃ → C₁C₃
- s → preaspiration / _ [+stop]
- v → w
- o, a → ə in word-class suffixes; dʒi da → dʒə= də=
- iV → jV; tj kj → tʃ
- əj → ɨj / _#
Esperanto ehtis desegnita kiel hel’lingvo sed ĝi fariĝis mon’lingvo kun miliardoj da denahkaj parolantoj.
esperanto be.PST designed as auxiliary-langusge.NOM but it=become.PST world-language.NOM with billion.PL of=native.PL speaker.PL
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