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Hello! I'll be using this thread to share regular posts on different aspects of my conlang Zevy. Here we go!

Table of contents

Instrumental verbs
Exploring how Zevy wields the instrumental case on verbs to signal outcomes · 9 minute read

Linking words
Exploring Zevy's two most critical connectors · 13 minute read

Basic syntax trees
Some not-too-rigorous generative grammar on Zevy phrase structure · 5 minute read

Possession
Exploring how Zevy forms possessive phrases · 12 minute read

Vocatives
Exploring how Zevy forms terms of address · 10 minute read

Glossing guide

labelmeaning
1first person
1sfirst person singular
1pfirst person plural
2second person
3third person
ABLablative case (e.g. "from", "away from")
ABSabsolutive case
AGRagreement
COMcomitative case (e.g. "with", "and", "alongside")
ERGergative case
DATdative case (e.g. "to", "towards", "for")
FUTfuture tense
IMMimminent (modifies tense)
IMPimperative mood
INSTinstrumental case (e.g. "with", "using", "by")
INTinterrogative pronoun (e.g. "what")
LOClocative case (e.g. "in", "at")
NEGnegative marker(e.g. "in", "at")
POSSpossessive
PRSpresent tense
PSTpast tense
RSMPresumptive pronoun
SUBEsubessive case (e.g. "under")
SUPEsuperessive case (e.g. "on")
TOPtopic marker
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Instrumental verbs
Exploring how Zevy wields the instrumental case on verbs to signal outcomes · 9 minute read · back to table of contents
Note: You can read this post with it's original formatting over at the Zevy wordbook here, or you can read the inline version below.
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In Zevy, the term "instrumental verb" applies to a set of verbs which can be used in the following two different ways: they can either be the main verb of a clause, or they can modify the main verb of the clause by use of the instrumental case.

Verbs which follow this pattern include:
  • mot "need"
  • murst "want"
  • zeen "try"
  • ema "say"
  • er "think"
  • esa "believe"
  • heri "guess"
Some concepts which have verb forms in English only have noun forms in Zevy, and can also modify the main verb in the same way. Because of this, these are referred to as "instrumental nouns".

Nouns which follow this pattern include:
  • geen "hope"
  • gesa "appearance"
  • apoken "duty"
▾ How these work ▾

To understand these, let's start by looking at the verbs, which can be used in two different forms. We'll use the example of the verb mot "need", keeping in mind that this pattern applies to all of the verbs above.

Consider a scene where two siblings, Eurevi and Kamo, are at the beach. Eurevi sees a stand selling vurtsan, a smoothie-like mix of blended and solid fruit that's the perfect thing to hit the spot on a hot day. Mouth watering, he kicks off the following exchange:

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Eurevi says:
¡Vurtsan mu mot si me!
[ˈburθsã m̩ moh z me]
Vurtsan
mixfruit
mu
ABS
mot
need
si
be.1
me
PRS

I need a smoothie!
Kamo replies:
Dut me en.
[ˈduθ me jẽ]
Dut
house
me
LOC
en
have

[We] have [that] at home.
Eurevi's declaration illustrates the first form. Here, mot is the main verb and appears near the end of the clause. Meanwhile, the item in need appears earlier in the clause, and is followed by the absolutive case marker mu.

For Eurevi, the item in need was a thing (the mixfruit) which might suggest that this position must be occupied by a noun. But note that if we want to indicate an action that's needed, rather than a physical thing, we can also swap in a verb:

Kamo continues:
Uttemu, eu mu mot si me deses.
[htemʊ, ˈjeo m̩ moh z me ˈdes]
Uttemu
besides,
eu
leave
mu
ABS
mot
need
si
be.1
me
PRS
deses
1p

Besides, we need to leave.
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So taking in both examples above, we note that we can say Vurtsan mu mot si me "I need a smoothie", or Eu mu mot si me "I need to leave". Both illustrate the first form in which instrumental verbs can be used: as the main verb, towards the end of the clause. Straightforward enough!

▾ Adding another approach ▾

Let's now look at the second way that verbs like this can be used. In the second form, mot is no longer the main verb. Instead, it comes at the beginning of the clause and is followed by the instrumental case marker su. The action that's needed, which in this case must be a verb, appears near the end of the clause.

With this in mind, let's compare the two forms:

first form
Eu mu mot si me.
[ˈjeo m̩ moh z me]
Eu
leave
mu
ABS
mot
need
si
be.1
me
PRS

I need to leave.
second form
Mot su, eu si det.
[moθ sə ˈjeo z deh]
Mot
need
su,
INST,
eu
leave
si
be.1
det
IMP

I need to leave.
A more literal translation of the second form would be, "By need, I should leave." Note how in this translation:
  • "leave" is the main verb
  • "need" is introduced by the preposition "by"
Similarly, in the original Zevy:
  • eu "leave" is the main verb
  • mot "need" is introduced by the instrumental case marker su
In Modern Zevy speech, it happens that this second form occurs more frequently than the first. Beyond that, though, the choice between the two is largely stylistic. Both Eu mu mot si me and Mot su, eu si det are equally good translations for "I need to leave."

▾ Adding time ▾

As we dig in further, we'll see that our choices aren't always so freespirited. If we want to translate a sentence like "I needed to leave" or "I will need to leave", then the choice between the two forms becomes much more important.

Consider the past tense. In the examples below, we see that though the surface level meanings remain the same, they differ significantly in their implication:

first form
Eu mu mot si ti.
[ˈjeo m̩ moh z ti]
Eu
leave
mu
ABS
mot
need
si
be.1
ti
PST

I needed to leave. (But did I do so?)
second form
Mot su, eu si ti.
[moθ sə ˈjeo z ti]
Mot
need
su,
INST,
eu
leave
si
be.1
ti
PST

I needed to leave. (And I did.)
Similarly, in the future tense:

first form
Eu mu mot si te.
['jeo m̩ moh z tje]
Eu
leave
mu
ABS
mot
need
si
be.1
te
FUT

I'll need to leave. (But will I do so?)
second form
Mot su, eu si te.
[moθ sə ˈjeo z tje]
Mot
need
su,
INST,
eu
leave
si
be.1
te
FUT

I'll need to leave. (And I will.)
If we look at the literal translation of the su forms, we see how the difference in implication arises:
  • In the past tense, the literal translation of Mot su, eu si ti is "By need, I left." The fact that the speaker did, in fact, leave, is presented straightforwardly.
  • In the future tense, the translation of Mot su, eu si te is "By need, I will leave." The fact of leaving is clear; the need is the motivator.
  • In contrast, in the form that place mot at the end of the clause, the fact of needing is made clear, but the result of it is not.
This is how we arrive at the world where the choice between the two reflects the speakers confidence that they did or will in fact leave.

At the beach, Eurevi tries to take advantage of this:

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Eurevi insists:
¡Ve, mot su, utni en si te!
[ˈba ˈmoθ sə ˈhʊɲ jẽ z tje]
Ve,
no,
mot
need
su,
INST,
ut=ni
that=COM
en
have
si
be.1
te
FUT

No, by need, I will have one!
but Kamo just replies:
Edati te mertmirati.
[ˈjedatsitsˈmerθmirats]
Edati te mertmirati
technique DAT award

Nice try.
Alas, in some cases, one's confidence is misplaced.

▾ Jumping back to the present ▾

Let's return to the present tense. Recall that we illustrated the two possible forms as Eu mu mot si me and Mot su, eu si det. The first form ends with the present tense marker me, while the second ends with the imperative mood marker det. But that imperative marker isn't the only way we can go.

It turns out that we can make the same distinction we made in the past and present tense by replacing that imperative mood marker with either the present tense marker, me, or the imminent present tense marker, mant:

second form + imperative
Mot su, eu si det.
[moθ sə 'jeo z deh]
Mot
need
su,
INST,
eu
leave
si
be.1
det
IMP

By need, I ought leave. → I need to leave. (But will I?)
second form + imminent present
Mot su, eu si mant.
[moθ sə ˈjeo z mãh]
Mot
need
su,
INST,
eu
leave
si
be.1
mant
PRS.IMM

By need, I'm about to leave. → Leaving, have to! (Getting ready to leave)
second form + simple present
Mot su, eu si me.
[moθ sə ˈjeo z me]
Mot
need
su,
INST,
eu
leave
si
be.1
me
PRS

By need, I'm leaving. → Leaving, have to! (In the process of leaving)
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And so in this way, speakers using instrumental verbs have a full set of tools for indicating the expected outcome of their pronouncements. Indeed, constructions like the examples above are very common in Zevy writing and speech, so being aware of both their literal and implicit meanings is critical to understanding Zevy in practice.

▾ Other examples ▾

Here are some examples with a few of the other verbs that follow this pattern:

verb + second form
Daadi mu, murst su, mantseu me, mata te at hi te.
[daz mə ˈmwəs sə ˈmãseo me ˈmata ts a j tse]
Daadi
kid
mu,
TOP,
murst
want
su,
INST,
mantseu
today
me,
LOC,
mata
park
te
DAT
at
go
hi
be.3
te
PRS

The kid wants to go to the park today. (and probably will)
verb + first form
Eesen me zui ni en mu zeen hi det.
[ˈjezə me zəi ɲ jẽ m̩ 'ʑeə j deh]
Eesen
match
me
LOC
zui
victory
ni
COM
en
have
mu
ABS
zeen
try
hi
be.3
det
IMP

Try to win the match. (no pressure)
verb + second form
Zeen su, eesen me zui ni en si mant.
[ʑeə sə 'jezə me zəi ɲ ˈjẽ z mãh]
Zeen
try
su,
INST,
eesen
match
me
LOC
zui
victory
ni
COM
en
have
si
be.1
mant
PRS.IMM

We're trying to win the match right now. (duh)
verb + first form
Sopu te at mu ema hi ti datiis.
[ˈsopʊ ts a m̩ jemə j ti ˈdas]
Sopu
party
te
DAT
at
go
mu
ABS
ema
speak
hi
be.3
ti
PST
datiis
that:person

They said they're coming to the party. (but who knows)
verb + second form
Utenen me ema su, sopu te at si te.
[ˈhunəme jemə sə ˈsopʊ ts a z tje]
Utenen me
before
ema
LOC
su,
speak
sopu
INST,
te
party
at
DAT
si
go
te
be.1

I already said I'm coming to the party. (So stop asking!)
Here are some example with a few of the nouns which follow this pattern. Note that nouns take the second form only:

noun + second form
Geen su, eesen me zui ni en si det.
[geə sə ˈjezə me zəi ɲ ˈjẽ z deh]
Geen
hope
su,
INST,
eesen
match
me
LOC
zui
victory
ni
COM
en
have
si
be.3
det
IMP

I hope we win this match.
noun + second form
Utdou, gesa su, amat ni en si te.
[hdəu ˈgesə sə 'wamaθ ɲ̩ jẽ z tje]
Utdou
that:despite,
gesa
appearance
su,
INST,
amat
loss
ni
COM
en
have
si
be.3
te
FUT

But it seems (likely) we will lose.
noun + second form
Utte, apoken su, mtemu at si mant.
[htse ˈwapken sə ˈmtem a z mãh]
Utte
that:to,
apoken
duty
su,
INST,
mtemu
above_now
at
go
si
be.3
mant
PRS.IMM

So we need to do better now.
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Eurevi and Kamo are adorable. Every conlang grammar needs cartoons!
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zompist wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 10:15 pm Eurevi and Kamo are adorable. Every conlang grammar needs cartoons!
Agreed completely!
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Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
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Linking words
Exploring Zevy's two most critical connectors · 13 minute read · back to table of contents
Note: You can read this post with its original formatting over at the Zevy wordbook here, or you can read the inline version below.
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The words hi and si are derived from the Middle Zevy verb root -i-, which was productive as the copula "to be" and as an auxiliary used in certain aspects. Apart from having irregularities in its conjugation, it fell squarely in line with other verbs of the time with respect to its properties.

In Modern Zevy, however, the question of whether the descendant forms hi or si are best analyzed as verbs or as something else entirely is a tricky one. To figure out how to gloss these, let's go over their properties, using "?" as a placeholder in the gloss for now.

▾ Property 1 ▾
They can occur on their own to link a subject to its predicate adjective or noun. The predicate comes first, then hi or si, and then the subject last:
Hat hi utdut.
[ˈhah ji huduh]
Hat
tall
hi
?
ut=dut
that=house

That house is tall.
Kisi si dit.
[ˈkizi z dih]
Kisi
doctor
si
?
dit
1s

I am a doctor.
▾ Property 2 ▾
The choice between the two depends solely on whether we have a first person subject, i.e. whether the subject includes the speaker or not. When the subject includes the speaker, use si; otherwise, use hi:
Kisi si dit. Kisi si deses.
[ˈkizi z ˈdih ‖ ˈkizi z ˈdes]
Kisi
doctor
si
?
dit
1s
·
·
Kisi
doctor
si
?
deses
1p

I am a doctor. We are doctors.
Kisi hi dovund. Kisi hi donimen.
[ˈkizi j ˈdovð ‖ ˈkizi j ˈdommə]
Kisi
doctor
hi
?
dovund
2:friend
·
·
Kisi
doctor
hi
?
donimen
2:sir

You, friend, are a doctor. You, sir, a doctor.
Kisi hi datiis. Kisi hi ditau.
[ˈkizi j ˈdas ‖ ˈkizi j ˈditəu]
Kisi
doctor
hi
?
datiis
that:person
·
·
Kisi
doctor
hi
?
di-tau
1sPOSS-son

That person is a doctor. My son is a doctor.
▾ Property 3 ▾
They are often followed by me, ti, or te, which precede the subject and mark the following handful of semantic roles:

Time
Seudi hi me meti.
[ˈɕeozi j me ˈmets]
Seudi
morning
hi
?
me
LOC
meti
show

The show is in the morning.
Location
Dut si me deses.
[ˈduh zi me ˈdes]
Dut
house
si
?
me
LOC
deses
1p

We are in the house.
Source
Taba hi ti zeti.
[ˈtabə j ti ˈzets]
Taba
city
hi
?
ti
ABL
zeti
visitor

The visitor is from the city.
Destination
Teke si te dit.
[ˈteke z tje ˈdih]
Teke
country
si
?
te
DAT
dit
1s

I am [going] to the country.
Beneficiary
Dovuindi hi te mant mendi.
[dwəĩzi j tse ˈmãh mẽz]
Dovuindi
you friend
hi
?
te
DAT
mant
current
mendi
gift

This gift is for you.
▾ Property 4 ▾
Though me, ti, and te occur most frequently, we can in fact fill this slot with any case marker or postposition:

Simile
Mizien hi u doteken.
[ˈmiʑjə j wu ˈdotekə]
Mizien
ocean
hi
?
u
like
do=teken
2=color

This color of yours is like the ocean.
Cause
Vetai ane anen hi tide dideten.
[ˈbetəi waɲe wanə j tiz ˈdidetə]
Vetai
solid
ane anen
foundation
hi
?
tide
because of
di-deten
1sPOSS-success

My success is because of a solid foundation.
▾ Property 5 ▾
When followed by the postposition ni "with" (also known as the comitative case marker), things get extra wonky: the entire construction takes on an idiomatic sense similar to that of "to have":
Mendi hi ni tattiis.
[ˈmẽzi j ɲi ˈtas]
Mendi
gift
hi
?
ni
COM
tattiis
child

The child has a gift. literally → "is with a gift"
Koru hi ni dut.
[ˈkoru j ɲi ˈduh]
Koru
window
hi
?
ni
COM
dut
house

The house has a window. literally → "is with a window"
Ttemu kepoi si ni deses.
[ˈtstem kepəi z ɲi ˈdes]
Ttemu
above all
kepoi
crew
si
?
ni
COM
deses
1p

We have the best friends. literally → "are with a crew above all"
▾ Property 6 ▾
When we don't have a postposition or case marker, the subject is mandatory. When we do, the subject can be dropped whenever it is recoverable from context:
Seudi hi me. Dut si me.
[ˈɕeozi j me ‖ ˈduh zi me]
Seudi
morning
hi
?
me
LOC
·
·
Dut
house
si
?
me
LOC

[It] is in the morning. [We] are in the house.
Taba hi ti. Teke si te
[ˈtabə j ti ‖ teke z tje]
Taba
city
hi
?
ti
ABL
·
·
Teke
country
si
?
te
DAT

[They] are from the city. [I] am [going] to the country.
Dovuind hi te. Mizien hi u. Vetai ane anen hi tide.
[ˈdwəĩz ji tse ‖ ˈmiʑjə j wu ‖ ˈbetəi waɲe wanə j tiz]
Dovuind
you friend
hi
?
te
DAT
·
·
Mizien
ocean
hi
?
u
like
·
·
Vetai
solid
ane anen
foundation
hi
?
tide
because of

[It] is for you. [It] is like the ocean. [It] is because of a solid foundation.
Mendi hi ni. Koru hi ni. Ttemu kepoi si ni.
[ˈmẽzi j ɲi ‖ ˈkoru j ɲi ‖ ˈtstem kepəi z ɲi]
Mendi
gift
hi
?
ni
COM
·
·
Koru
window
hi
?
ni
COM
·
·
Ttemu
above all
kepoi
crew
si
?
ni
COM

[They] have a gift. [It] has a window. [We] have the best friends.
but we can't say:
❌ Hat hi.
❌
_
Hat
tall
hi
?

[It] is tall.
and must instead, say:
✅ Hat hi da.
[ˈhah ji ˈda]
✅
_
Hat
tall
hi
?
da
that

It is tall.

▾ Property 7 ▾
When we take the construction that we saw in Property 3, we find that we can place a verb root like met "happen" or bet "read" in place of the noun and the sentences remain valid:
Seudi hi me meti.
[ˈɕeozi j me ˈmets]
Seudi
morning
hi
?
me
LOC
meti
show

The show is in the morning.
Met hi me meti.
[ˈmeh ji me ˈmets]
Met
happen
hi
?
me
LOC
meti
show

The show is happening. literally → "is in happen"
and:
Dut si me deses.
[ˈduh zi me ˈdes]
Dut
house
si
?
me
LOC
deses
1p

We are in the house.
Bet si me deses.
[ˈbeh zi me ˈdes]
Bet
read
si
?
me
LOC
deses
1p

We are reading. literally → "are in read"
One thing we notice that's different, however, is that the role of the markers that intervene between hi/si and the subject has become much more fixed. Rather than marking a wide variety of temporal, spatial, or other semantic roles, they now mark strictly temporal ones. In particular, me, ti, and te have now come mark the present, past, and future respectively:

present
Met hi me meti.
[ˈmeh ji me ˈmets]
Met
happen
hi
?
me
LOC
meti
show

The show is happening. literally → "is in happen"
past
Met hi ti meti.
[ˈmeh ji ti ˈmets]
Met
happen
hi
?
ti
ABL
meti
show

The show happened. literally → "is from happen"
future
Met hi te meti.
[ˈmeh ji tse ˈmets]
Met
happen
hi
?
te
DAT
meti
show

The show will happen. literally → "is to happen"
and:

present
Bet si me deses.
[ˈbeh zi me ˈdes]
Bet
read
si
?
me
LOC
deses
1p

We are reading. literally → "are in read"
past
Bet si ti deses.
[ˈbeh zi ti ˈdes]
Bet
read
si
?
ti
ABL
deses
1p

We read. literally → "are from read"
future
Bet si te deses.
[ˈbeh zi tse ˈdes]
Bet
read
si
?
te
DAT
deses
1p

We will read. literally → "are to read"

▾ Property 8 ▾
Just as for the sentences in Property 6, we can drop the subject. Unlike the sentences Property 1, we cannot drop the marker, which is now perhaps best described as a tense marker:

present
Met hi me.
[ˈmeh ji me]
Met
happen
hi
?
me
LOC→PRS

[It] is happening.
past
Met hi ti.
[ˈmeh ji ti]
Met
happen
hi
?
ti
ABL→PST

[It] happened.
future
Met hi te.
[ˈmeh ji tse]
Met
happen
hi
?
te
DAT→FUT

[It] will happen.
but we can't say:
❌ Met hi meti.
❌
_
Met
happen
hi
?
meti
show

The show ??? happen.
and:

present
Bet si me.
[ˈbeh zi me]
Bet
read
si
?
me
LOC→PRS

[We] are reading.
past
Bet si ti.
[ˈbeh zi ti]
Bet
read
si
?
ti
ABL→PST

[We] read.
future
Bet si te.
[ˈbeh zi tse]
Bet
read
si
?
te
DAT→FUT

[We] will read.
but we can't say:
❌ Bet si deses.
❌
_
Bet
read
si
?
deses
1p

We ??? read.
▾ Analysis ▾
Given the behaviour described in the points above, what is the best description for si and hi? Overall, they seem to be doing pretty light work. Clearly, they continue to act as copulas, as they link subjects to their predicates. Next, they link verb roots to their tense markers. Finally, they distinguish the first person from other persons. That's about it.

Because of this, there are two approaches which are popular for glossing these words in Zevy linguistics:

gloss as copula with person agreement
Met hi te meti.
[ˈmeh ji tse ˈmets]
Met
happen
hi
be.3
te
FUT
meti
show

The show will happen.
gloss as person agreement marker
Met hi te meti.
[ˈmeh ji tse ˈmets]
Met
happen
hi
SBJ.AGR.3
te
FUT
meti
show

The show will happen.
In this set of notes, will generally use the first approach, which highlights the etymological similarity to sentences like the following:
Vund hi te meti.
[ˈbũð ji tse ˈmets]
Vund
friend
hi
be.3
te
DAT
meti
show

The show is for a friend.
In addition, I have chosen to gloss the subject agreement with the exact person of the subject, even though the second person and third person are identical. Some Zevy linguists instead use the gloss "N1" to indicate the "nonfirst" person:
Bet hi te.
[ˈbeh ji tse]
Bet
read
hi
be.N1
te
FUT

[You/they/she/he/it] will read.
A third competing analysis is that Zevy verbs are in the process of becoming inflecting. In this analysis, hi and si, along with the marker that follows, are affixes rather than separate words:
Bethite.
[ˈbehjitse]
Bet-hi-te
read-3-FUT

[You/they/she/he/it] will read.
The copula is then simply a verb which has a null root, as well as (perhaps less parsimoniously) a null tense marker as well, obligatorily the present:
Hat hi disurau.
[ˈhah ji ˈdisurəu]
Hat
tall
hi
be-3-PRS
di-surau
1sPOSS-daughter

My daughter is tall.
This analysis is especially compelling when we consider the spoken forms of the language. Zevy writing is very conservative, which can no doubt nudge analysis towards an etymological bent. In speech, though, we see that these phrases do in fact form a single phonological word:
Bet hi te naka?
[ˈbehjitse ˈnakə]
Bet hi te
_
naka
_

Will the teacher read?
In fact, si and hi quite frequently reduce to a single spoken consonant:
Ema si te dit.
[ˈjemə z tje ˈdih]
Ema
_
si
_
te
_
dit
_

I will speak.
Veha hi te dovund.
[ˈbeɣə j tse ˈdovð]
Veha
_
hi
_
te
_
dovund
_

You, friend, will sing.
Still, this approach comes with several problems. If these are affixes, do they affix to nouns and adjectives as well? Why can any postposition fit in the marker slot that comes after them? Phonologically, it seems equally sound to treat them as clitics rather than affixes. As such, we will reject this analysis, though it is certainly tantalizing when considering what Zevy might look like several hundred years down the line.

▾ Other copulas ▾

A final note that si and hi are only a subset of the copulas in Modern Zevy. Though they are the simplest ways to link a predicate to its subject, they can only operate in the present tense and simple aspect (though they do span a gamut of moods). So, for all other tenses and aspects, Zevy relies on an additional set of linking words which are fully verb-like:
  • dee "stand"
  • isi "sit"
  • mii "lie"
These forms first expanded from their original meanings to indicate figurative position, and have now been fully grammaticalized as auxiliaries and linking verbs. Here are a few examples:

perfect aspect
Nes hi me meti. → Nes ti isi hi me meti.
[ˈnes ji me ˈmets → ˈnes t jiɕi j me ˈmets]
Nes
start
hi
be.3
me
PRS
meti
show
Nes
start
ti
ABL/PST
isi
sit
hi
be.3
me
PRS
meti
show

The show starts. → The show has started. literally → "sits started" or "is in sit from start"
imperfective aspect
Nes hi ti meti. → Nes me isi hi ti meti.
[ˈnes ji ti ˈmets → ˈnes me jiɕi j ti ˈmets]
Nes
start
hi
be.3
ti
PST
meti
show
Nes
start
me
LOC/PRS
isi
sit
hi
be.3
ti
PST
meti
show

The show started. → The show was starting. literally → "sat starting" or "is from sit in start"
As you can see, the aspectual difference is conveyed by the relative tense between the main verb and the linking verb. Look out for more on this in a future post.

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Basic syntax trees
Some not-too-rigorous generative grammar on Zevy phrase structure · 5 minute read · back to table of contents

Here's what my analysis of Zevy sentence structure has been in a loose generative grammar. First, I posit that its sentences are headed by a tense phrase which, in the simplest sentences, goes empty:

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Zevy is generally head-final, and postpositions follow their complements. However, the tense slot prefers to be filled rather than empty, and the topmost postposition of the predicate can be (in fact, must be) raised to fill this slot:

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The postposition on its own does not carry tense, but it can "borrow" tense from its complement noun phrase, if and only if that noun phrase carries tense. (This is another way of saying, if it's complement is a verbal noun):

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Adjectives can also carry tense:

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But true nouns cannot:

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Bumping this thread; it's a very interesting approach and I'd be glad to see more of it!
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Thanks for the interest, Ares! I appreciate it ☺️

And whoo, It's been a minute! I took a break from conlanging due to a mixture of a bout of COVID and then some very much refreshing summer travel once I had recovered, and now I'm back! Here's the next post in this series of snippets from the Zevy language:

Possession
Exploring how Zevy forms possessive phrases · 12 minute read · back to table of contents
Note: You can read this post with its original formatting over at the Zevy wordbook here, or you can read the inline version below.
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Zevy has two primary ways of indicating possesion:
  • The first is through the possessive prefixes di- "my", a- "your", and des- "our"
  • The second is through the dative case, i.e. dit te "to me", dote "to you", and deses te "to us"
To understand the difference between them, we'll look at two different ways a thing can be possessed:
  • The first way is that a thing can be possessed inalienably, meaning that it cannot be separated from its owner. An example of this is a body part: a hand is always someone's hand. Another example is a kinship terms: a sibling is always someone's sibling
  • The second way is that a thing can be possessed alienably, meaning that it may be owned by one person at one time and then separated from it's first owner and owned by another person, or no one at all, at another time. An example of this would be a home, a pen, an idea, and so on

▾ Inalienable possession ▾

In Zevy, inalienably possessed items are often not marked for possession at all. Since the item must be possessed by someone, the owner is automatically inferred even when it hasn't been mentioned directly:
Dose me, baro te mu zo si ti.
[ˈdoɕe me ˈbaro tsem̩ ˈzo z ti]
Dose
mirror
me
LOC,
baro
face
te mu
DAT SUPE
zo
look
si
be.1
ti
PST

I looked at [my] face in the mirror.
In the example above, there is no word corresponding to "my" in the original Zevy text. Instead, it is implied. Hypothetically, this sentence could mean "I looked at a face in the mirror" and refer to a face that was not the speaker's own. In practice, since that interpretation is the less common one, it is more likely that the speaker would specify if it were the case:
Dose me, deren baro te mu zo si ti.
[ˈdoɕe me ˈderə baro tsem̩ ˈzo z ti]
Dose
mirror
me
LOC,
deren
other
baro
face
te mu
DAT SUPE
zo
look
si
be.1
ti
PST

I looked at another face in the mirror.
As such, inalienably possessed items are most often not marked for possession at all. It is possible, though, to mark them explicitly. And when they are, we get our first hard rule: objects which are possessed inalienably can be marked only by possessive prefixes, never by the dative. So, the following are grammatical:
✅ ades
[-- ˈwades]
a-des
2.POSS-hand

your hand
✅ dibaro
[-- ˈdibaro]
di-baro
1s.POSS-face

my face
✅ desoken
[-- ˈdezokə]
des-oken
1p.POSS-sister

our sister
while the following are NOT grammatical:
❌ dote des
[-- ˈdots̩ des]
do-te
2-DAT
des
hand

your hand (incorrect)
❌ dit te baro
[-- ˈdiθ ts̩ baro]
dit
1s
te
DAT
baro
face

my face (incorrect)
❌ deses te oken
[-- ˈdes ts̩ wokə]
deses
1p
te
DAT
oken
sister

our sister (incorrect)
As an example, consider two friends, Tome and Eurevi, playing a game together in the schoolyard. Tome issues an instruction:
Image Tome says:
Soret su, ahoki mu agi hi det.
[ˈsoreθ sə ˈwawoxi m̩ waɣi j deh]
Soret
teacher
su
INST,
a-hoki
2POSS-ear
mu
ABS
agi
touch
hi
be.3
det
IMP

Teacher says, touch your ear.
Note that Tome could have equally said:
Soret su, hoki mu agi hi det.
[ˈsoreθ sə woxi m̩ waɣi j deh]
Soret
teacher
su
INST,
hoki
ear
mu
ABS
agi
touch
hi
be.3
det
IMP

Teacher says, touch [your] ear.
Both are equally correct, though the latter is more common.

▾ Modifying inalienably possessed nouns ▾

An important extension is that depending on which of the two strategies is chosen above, there are different rules for what to do when the noun has another modifier such as an adjective. If the inalienably possessed noun was not marked, then the modifier appears in its usual location before the noun:
Gevan oken te nist mu men.
[ˈgeβə wokə ts̩ ˈnism̩mẽ]
Gevan
older
oken
sister
te
DAT
nist mu men
trust ABS put

I trust my older sister.
In contrast, if an inalienably possesed noun is marked with a possessive prefix, then it exhibits a unique behavior where the modifier appears after the noun, inverting the usual order:
Aoken gevan te nist mu men.
[ˈwawokə ˈgeβə ts̩ ˈnism̩mẽ]
A-oken
2POSS-sister
gevan
older
te
DAT
nist mu men
trust ABS put

I trust your older sister.
If the modifier is a postposition phrase, then it must be headed by the resumptive pronoun ha:
Aoken dit te ardon mu ema ti ha te nist mu men.
[ˈwawokə ˈdiθ ts̩ wardõ m̩ jemə h ha ts̩ ˈnism̩mẽ]
A-oken
2POSS-sister
dit
1s
te
DAT
ardon
promise
mu
ABS
ema
speak
ti
PST
ha
RSMP
te
DAT
nist mu men
trust ABS put

I trust the sister of yours who made me a promise.
In fact, this turns the modifying postposition phrase into a noun phrase, which suggests that this is a case of apposition. So, another way of translating the example above would be:
Aoken dit te ardon mu ema ti ha te nist mu men.
[ˈwawokə ˈdiθ ts̩ wardõ m̩ jemə h ha ts̩ ˈnism̩mẽ]
A-oken
_
dit
_
te
_
ardon
_
mu
_
ema
_
ti
_
ha
_
te
_
nist mu men
_

I trust your sister the one who made me a promise.
This would explain why this word order differs from the norm. Taking this further, we also analyze adjectives which follow nouns as apposition, through zero-derivation of the adjective to a noun:
Aoken gevan te nist mu men.
[ˈwawokə ˈgeβə ts̩ ˈnism̩mẽ]
A-oken
2POSS-sister
gevan
older_one
te
DAT
nist mu men
trust ABS put

I trust your sister [the] older [one].
This leads us to our next example in action:

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Tome says:
Soret su, ahoki deren mu agi hi det.
[ˈsoreθ sə ˈwawoxi ˈderə m̩ ˈwaɣi j deh]
Soret
teacher
su
INST,
a-hoki
2POSS-ear
deren
other
mu
ABS
agi
touch
hi
be.3
det
IMP

Teacher says, touch your other ear.
Finally, note that many inalienable nouns have compound forms which already incorporate common modifications. For example, all body parts that come in pairs have specific forms to distinguish right from left, derived from gaki "right hand" vs saoki "left hand". So, Tome could have equally said:
Soret su, ahogaki mu agi hi det.
[ˈsoreθ sə ˈwawoxi m̩ waɣi j deh]
Soret
teach
su
INST,
a-hogaki
2POSS-right_ear
mu
ABS
agi
touch
hi
be.3
det
IMP

Teacher says, touch your right ear.
In fact, in most Zevy dialects, gevan "older" and samien "younger" are replaced by specific words for older and younger siblings, with the Kuuvi (i.e. Capital) dialect illustrated here happening to be an outlier.

▾ Alienable possession ▾

Let's jump now to alienable possessions. This is the more common type, as it simply means that the object could be possessed at one moment and then not possessed the next. "My face" is always my face, but "my book" today could be "your book" tomorrow.

First, it's worth noting that there are cases where Zevy also leaves alienable possession implied rather than explicit. This occurs less commonly than for inalienable possession, but it can be triggered quite reliably by certain phrases such as ttemu tere "favorite":
Ttemu tere teva mu, deu?
[ˈtstem̩tere teβə m̩ ˈzeo]
Ttemu tere
favorite
teva
book
mu
TOP,
deu
what

What's [your] favorite book?
As with the inalienable examples, there is no "your" in the original Zevy sentence. In theory we can speak of "a favorite", but usually favorites are "a favorite of someone's". So, just as before, the "someone" can be dropped when the meaning is obvious from context.

Again, though, we have the option of explicitly marking the possessor. For alienable possessions, we can use either the prefix form or the dative form, and the choice between the two is entirely stylistic.

Tome chooses to use the dative form:

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Tome says:
Soret su, dote iizo mu agi hi det.
[ˈsoreθ sə ˈdots̩ jizo m̩ waɣi j deh]
Soret
teacher
su
INST,
do=te
2=DAT
iizo
belt
mu
ABS
agi
touch
hi
be.3
det
IMP

Teacher says, touch your belt.
She could have equally said:

Tome could have said:
Soret su, aiizo mu agi hi det.
[ˈsoreθ sə ˈwajizo m̩ waɣi j deh]
Soret
teacher
su
INST,
a-iizo
2POSS-belt
mu
ABS
agi
touch
hi
be.3
det
IMP

Teacher says, touch your belt.
▾ Modifying alienably possessed nouns ▾

The freedom of choice we had before goes away when the noun is modified. As with the inalienably possessed nouns we saw above, Zevy does not allow a noun marked with a possessive prefix to take another modifier. However, unlike inalienably possessed nouns, which must work around this using apposition, alienably possessed nouns have the option of using the dative case, and that's exactly what they do:
Hat teva mu, deu hi me?
[ˈhaθ teβə m̩ ˈzeo j me]
Hat
long
teva
book
mu
TOP,
deu
what
hi
be.3
me
LOC

Where is the long book?
❌ Hat ateva mu, deu hi me?
[-- ˈhaθ wateβə m̩ ˈzeo j me]
Hat
long
a-teva
2.POSS-book
mu
TOP,
deu
what
hi
be.3
me
LOC

(ungrammatical)
❓ Ateva hat mu, deu hi me?
[-- ˈwateβə haθ m̩ ˈzeo j me]
A-teva
2.POSS-book
hat
long
mu
TOP,
deu
what
hi
be.3
me
LOC

(grammatical, but stilted/formal/poetic)
Dote hat teva mu, deu hi me?
[ˈdots̩ haθ teβə m̩ ˈzeo j me]
Do=te
2=DAT
hat
long
teva
book
mu
TOP,
deu
what
hi
be.3
me
LOC

Where is your long book?
Note that using apposition is still possible, but rare, as it tends to care a formal or poetic tone for nouns that do not strictly require it.

▾ Third person possession ▾

When the possessor is another noun, or any of the third person pronominals, then the possessive is always formed through the dative. Compare and contrast:
Dibaro te mu zo hi det. not → "❌ Dit te baro"
[ˈdibaro tsem̩ ˈzo j deh -- -- -- --]
Di-baro
1s.POSS-face
te mu
DAT SUPE
zo
look
hi
be.3
det
IMP
❌
_
Dit
_
te
_
baro
_

Look at my face.
Datiis te baro te mu zo hi det.
[ˈdas ts̩ baro tsem̩ ˈzo j deh]
Datiis
that:person
te
DAT
baro
face
te mu
DAT SUPE
zo
look
hi
be.3
det
IMP

Look at their face.
Zeti te baro te mu zo hi det.
[ˈzetsi ts̩ baro tsem̩ ˈzo j deh]
Zeti
viewer
te
DAT
baro
face
te mu
DAT SUPE
zo
look
hi
be.3
det
IMP

Look at the viewer's face.
And there you have it! Possession from abaro to diveragi - your head to my toe 😜

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Nice, simple, neat and clean.
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Something about the manner with which you present this conlang caught my eye since the days of the old ZBB. I'm still not sure exactly what. But I love it.

By the way, here and on the wordbook, there's a misordering of the first two words of the last line of this gloss:
Sevly wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:43 pm
❓ Ateva hat mu, deu hi me?
[-- ˈwateβə haθ m̩ ˈzeo j me]
A-teva
long
hat
2.POSS-book
mu
TOP,
deu
what
hi
be.3
me
LOC
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Thank you for the kind words! And thank you for catching that error, the sign of a close read. Much appreciated 🙏🏿
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Vocatives
Exploring how Zevy forms terms of address · 10 minute read · back to table of contents
Note: You can read this post with its original formatting over at the Zevy wordbook here, or you can read the inline version below.
The vocative is a way of identifying the person whom one is speaking or writing to. In Zevy, there are two prefixes which are commonly used to do this:
  • do- for the second person
  • dese- for the first person plural
Here are some examples:

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As seen from the examples, the pronunciation of the morpheme to which these prefixes attach is often reduced.

▾ How they're used ▾

Strictly speaking, these aren't simply vocative forms but are rather noun phrases that act as pronouns. By another name, we call them pronominals.

As such, they can appear anywhere in a sentence:

if someone asks:
Deu mu, mata te at?
[ˈzeo m̩ ˈmatə ts a]
Deu
INT
mu
ABS,
mata
park
te
DAT
at
go

Who is going to the park?
one can reply:
Dovund mu at.
[ˈdovð m a]
Dovund
2:friend
mu
ABS
at
go

You, friend, are going.
Dan ha me, dovund tedu rese mu mu moema.
[dã ˈha me ˈdovð tjed reze m̩ m̩ ’mojmə]
Dan
COMP
ha
RSMP
me
LOC
dovund
2:friend
tedu
at house of
rese
arrive
mu
ABS
mu
ABS
mo-ema
IMP-say

Tell me when you get home, friend.
Vedesetritiis te make mu vemet hi me utnaka.
[ˈβedezetris ts̩ ˈmake m̩ βemeh ji me ˈhnakə]
Ve-dese-tritiis
NEG-1p-student
te
DAT
make
respect
mu
ABS
ve-met
NEG.AGR-put
hi
be.2
me
PRS
utnaka
teacher

The teacher doesn't respect us students.
▾ How they compare to third person forms ▾

Similar pronominals exist in the third person, formed using the following:
  • da "that"
  • ut "previous"
  • ne "next"
We won't go deeply into these in this post, but here are some quick examples:

one student asks:
Danaka ti zo hi me?
[ˈdanakə h zo j me]
Da-naka
that-teacher
ti
ABL
zo
see
hi
be.2
me
PRS

Do you see that teacher? [over there]
the other replies:
Det, utnaka mu, deu?
[ˈdeh ˈhnakə m̩ ˈzeo]
Det
yes
ut-naka
previous-teacher
mu
TOP
deu
INT

Yes, what about that teacher? [that you just mentioned]
the first continues:
Utnaka mu, nenaka temu hat: avaven!
[ˈhnakə m̩ ˈɲenakə tem̩ hah ˈwaβaβə]
Ut-naka
previous-teacher
mu
TOP
ne-naka
next-teacher
temu
above
hat
tall
a-vaven
2POSS-father

That teacher is taller than this teacher [that I'm about to mention]: your dad!
the second replies:
Utnaka te det.
[ˈhnakə ts̩ deh]
Ut-naka
previous-teacher
te
DAT
det
good

Good for them.
The key takeaway here is that in Zevy, these types of prefixes prefixes extend so far as to be the most common way of referring to others. Among ordinary pronouns, only the first person singular dit "me" is regularly used. Other simple pronouns exist, but generally speaking, referring to others using a simple pronoun is rude or overfamiliar unless you know them well.

▾ Their other extensions ▾

It turns out that do- and dese- can be used in several other ways. In fact, these prefixes are so overloaded that we're just might have to watch out for power failures as we explain all the work they have to do....

Jokes aside, here wo go!

▾ The transient possessive ▾

In the notes on Possession, we talked about how Zevy expresses ownership; here, we revisit a variation of that. But to explain, let's go back in time and observe that the prefix do- is actually derived from the demonstrative do "this", which is the partner to da "that". As such, the historical meaning of phrases like dovund and donaka is simply "this friend" and "this teacher". Only over time did they come to be used as second-person terms of address.

This semantic drift has lead to the following intermediate meaning which appears when do- is used with inanimate objects. Here, the vocative interpretation makes little sense, as one would be unlikely to talk to an object. Instead, when used with inanimate objects, do- refers to something that is either physically close to the listener, or logically associated with them. For example:
Doteva mu men hi det donaka?
[ˈdoteβə m̩ mẽ j deh ˈdonakə]
Doteva
2-book
mu
ABS
men
give
hi
be.3
det
IMP
do-naka
2-teacher

[Could you please] give me that book [near you], teacher?
Here comes the overlap with possesion: this usage of do- can be translated as a second person possessive, "your", with the implication that the object is something that the addressee temporarily "owns" by virtue of being near it either spatially or temporally. So, the above example can also be translated as:
Doteva mu men hi det donaka?
[Could you please] give me your book, teacher?
This sense is distinct enough that it gets its own dictionary entry: do (possessive). But if, by contrast, the possession is stronger, then one of the other constructions detailed in Possession must be used instead. For example, contrast the example above, "your book", with "your eyes" below:
Azoi mu ini hi det dotritiis.
[ˈwazəi m̩ jiɲi j deh ˈdotris]
A-zoi
2POSS-sight
mu
ABS
ini
open
hi
be.3
det
IMP
dotritiis
2-student

Open your eyes, student.
In this case, "eyes" must be marked with the second person possessive prefix a- rather than do- because eyes are inalienably possessed.

▾ A note on politeness ▾

Note how in English, politeness is marked through indirection, using phrases like "Would you please." Those words don't appear in the original Zevy text. Instead, I've added them to the dynamic translation to reflect the politeness that Zevy conveys through other means.

First, intonation is critical: polite imperatives are coupled with the same rising intonation as questions, indicated in writing with the question mark. This parallels how English also uses questions rather than commands for politeness, though again Zevy has no additional auxiliaries.

Second, the choice of pronominal is crucial: the use of donaka in the original Zevy sentence is the mandatory polite form of "you" in this sentence, even if an idiomatic English translation might also simply be "Could you please give me that book near you?" in the context of a student speaking to a teacher. In phrases like these, the pronominal must be carefully selected to signal the speaker's stance towards the listener, and respect for the relationship between them.

▾ Vocatives vs. possession in the first person ▾

We saw above how in the second person, do- blurs the line between vocatives, demonstratives, and possession. This doesn't occur in the first person, however, where the pronominal and the possessive are instead distinct.

Here, dese- is strictly used for the pronominal, i.e. "we X" or "us X", while the related form des- is used for the possessive, "our X". These are derived from the same historical form, literally differing only in the addition or omission of an epethentic vowel. For example:

vocative:
Desetritiis mu tri hi det!
[ˈdezetris m̩ tri j deh]
Dese-tritiis
1p-student
mu
ABS
tri
teach
hi
be.3
det
IMP

Teach us students!
vocative:
Destritiis mu tri hi det!
[ˈdestris m̩ tri j deh]
Des-tritiis
1p.POSS-student
mu
ABS
tri
teach
hi
be.3
det
IMP

Teach our students!

▾ The temporal vocative ▾

Finally, there is one more neat way in which these prefixes can be used. Consider the following examples:
Desetesnei me dee.
[ˈdezetesɲəi me deje]
Dese-tesnei
1p-patience
me
LOC
dee
stand

Stand in the patient us.
Doku me isi.
[ˈdoku me jiɕ]
Do-ku
2-quiet
me
LOC
isi
sit

Sit in the quiet you.
These sentences show a very peculiar construction. What do they mean? The general formula is:
  • do- or dese-,
  • then some noun or adjective
  • then the locative me
  • then an auxiliary verb, either dee "stand" or isi "sit"
Put together, this conceptually means that the speaker is seen as entreating the listener (and in the first person plural, themself as well) to embody some quality. Then, the choice of auxiliary conveys how long the quality should be embodied. Choosing "stand" suggests that the quality is to embodied for a short period of time, while "sit" indicates a long period.

As a result, the examples above can be translated as follows:
Desetesnei me dee.
Stand in the patient us. → Let's be patient for a moment.
Doku me isi.
Sit in the quiet you. → Be quiet for a while.
And there you have it! A neat little construction that we refer to as the temporal vocative because it attributes a state to the addressee for some period of time.

Note that the examples above are interpreted in the imperative even though there is no mood marker. This is the default, but not the only possibility, as the temporal vocative can be explicitly marked for other combinations of tense, aspect, and mood. For example:
Naka mu tri mu nes me, deseku me isi si te.
[ˈnakə m̩ tri m̩ nes me ˈdezeku me ˌjiɕi z tje]
Naka
teacher
mu
ABS
tri
teach
mu
ABS
nes
start
me
LOC,
dese-ku
1p-quiet
me
LOC
isi
sit
si
be.1
te
FUT

When the teacher starts talking, we will be quiet for a while. literally → "We will sit in the quiet us."
There can even be multiple auxiliaries stacked on top of each other:
Dotesnei me dee ti isi hi me?
[ˈdotesɲei me deje h jiɕi j me]
Do-tesnei
2-patience
me
LOC
dee
stand
ti
ABL
isi
sit
hi
be.3
me
PRS

Have you just been patient? literally → "Do you sit from standing in the patient you?"
Voila! Thanks for reading, you friends. Till next time 👋🏿

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Re: Zevy notes (Now playing: Vocatives)

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That's again very interesting!
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