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you're probably right... the only I'm sure is 3DSL one...

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Linguoboy wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:52 pm "Tong" isn't used in the singular in any standard variety of English I know. I'd call these "pasta tongs".
For some reason "tong" does not seem ungrammatical to me at least, like "I used a salad tong to remove salad from the bag and place it in the bowl", which for me is cromulent.
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OTOH, the above uses of "clip" and "clamp" certainly are not cromulent.
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Travis B. wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:16 pmOTOH, the above uses of "clip" and "clamp" certainly are not cromulent.
Product ads these days are full of sus machine translations. I never trust them anymore when trying to learn new vocabulary in a non-native language.
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xxx wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 1:58 pm [images]
Linguoboy wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:38 pm Product ads these days are full of sus machine translations. I never trust them anymore when trying to learn new vocabulary in a non-native language.
Wait, these are real ads??? My initial read was that xxx made them as a joke. I had a good chuckle about that.
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Linguoboy wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:52 pm "Tong" isn't used in the singular in any standard variety of English I know.
In places that have Chinatowns, and Hong Kong, and probably Taiwan, and maybe Singapore, a “tong” is pretty much the Chinese equivalent of a Japanese zaibatsu. If there’s a difference, it might be that tongs always have a political “department”, whereas I’m unaware of most zaibatsus having any permanent political sub-agency.
Maybe “triad society” is the phrase British-derived HongKongians use for “tong”?

HK English is in my opinion a standard variety of English. (I could be wrong!)

Linguoboy wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:52 pm I’d call these "pasta tongs".
I think that’s right!
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TomHChappell wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:51 pm
Linguoboy wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:52 pm "Tong" isn't used in the singular in any standard variety of English I know.
In places that have Chinatowns, and Hong Kong, and probably Taiwan, and maybe Singapore, a “tong” is pretty much the Chinese equivalent of a Japanese zaibatsu. If there’s a difference, it might be that tongs always have a political “department”, whereas I’m unaware of most zaibatsus having any permanent political sub-agency.
Maybe “triad society” is the phrase British-derived HongKongians use for “tong”?
I suspect this ‘tong’ is etymologically unrelated.
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bradrn wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 1:07 pm
TomHChappell wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:51 pm In places that have Chinatowns, and Hong Kong, and probably Taiwan, and maybe Singapore, a “tong” is pretty much the Chinese equivalent of a Japanese zaibatsu. If there’s a difference, it might be that tongs always have a political “department”, whereas I’m unaware of most zaibatsus having any permanent political sub-agency.
Maybe “triad society” is the phrase British-derived HongKongians use for “tong”?
I suspect this ‘tong’ is etymologically unrelated.

I suspect it’s borrowed into English from some Chinese lexeme. Don’t know which Chinese language (or “dialect”).

What’s the etymology of the other tongs? Like, for serving salad?
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TomHChappell wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 1:14 pm I suspect it’s borrowed into English from some Chinese lexeme. Don’t know which Chinese language (or “dialect”).

What’s the etymology of the other tongs? Like, for serving salad?
According to Wiktionary:
  • The more common meaning comes from West Germanic *tangu of the same meaning, ultimately from PIE *denḱ- ‘to bite’
  • The other meaning is from Cantonese 堂 tong4.
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bradrn wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 1:29 pm
  • The other meaning is from Cantonese 堂 tong4.
Somehow I just knew it had to be from Cantonese.
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What do you call this?
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I think that's some some kind of bottle opener, but I'm not familiar with the design
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Lērisama wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:51 am I think that's some some kind of bottle opener, but I'm not familiar with the design
Yeah, I'm not even sure how I would use that.
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Linguoboy wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:59 pm
Lērisama wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:51 am I think that's some some kind of bottle opener, but I'm not familiar with the design
Yeah, I'm not even sure how I would use that.
I presume you insert the top of the bottle through the wide end of the larger opening, pull the opener until it is snug against the cap, and then yank upwards.
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The square slot at the end is a classic bottle-opener; the long rounded triangle looks like something for opening various sized screw-top lids which you slot into the large end and shove down until they're snug and then the leftwards-facing serrated teeth dig into the metal/plastic and give you more grip to open it with. There's not a specific name for it in English, I'd just call it a jar-opener or something.
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It is a bottle/jar opener. Smaller lids can be put into the large opening, while you can try to get a grip on larger lids with the outer rim ridge.



OK, next question. This is for the older ones among you, the ones who can remember the times before phone apps could do group chats.

What do you call an agreement among a group of people to the effect that, if there's some news or information they should all know, the one who hears about it calls the first person on a written list of the people in question by phone, then the first person on the list calls the second person on the list by phone, and so on?
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Raphael wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:55 pm It is a bottle/jar opener. Smaller lids can be put into the large opening, while you can try to get a grip on larger lids with the outer rim ridge.



OK, next question. This is for the older ones among you, the ones who can remember the times before phone apps could do group chats.

What do you call an agreement among a group of people to the effect that, if there's some news or information they should all know, the one who hears about it calls the first person on a written list of the people in question by phone, then the first person on the list calls the second person on the list by phone, and so on?
In German, we call(ed) it a Telefonkette, and I guess the English term is telephone chain.
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WeepingElf wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:03 pmIn German, we call(ed) it a Telefonkette, and I guess the English term is telephone chain.
Would be my guess as well (Dutch: telefoonketen).


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Actually, in Dutch this is termed a belboom.
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