Natural languages and linguistics
Nortaneous
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by Nortaneous » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:29 pm
Darren wrote: ↑ Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:19 am
That looks weirdly like English for some reason. But I imagine it's probably something Tibetic?
No.
Raholeun wrote: ↑ Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:58 am
Is it spoken in Mexico?
No.
Karch wrote: ↑ Sun Nov 24, 2024 7:00 am
What the fuck. Spoken in the Americas?
No.
Travis B. wrote: ↑ Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:23 am
My initial thought was "is this Tibeto-Burman?".
No.
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
Karch
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by Karch » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:32 pm
Is the source you took the sample from written after 1970?
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
Nortaneous
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by Nortaneous » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:36 pm
Karch wrote: ↑ Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:32 pm
Is the source you took the sample from written after 1970?
Yes.
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
Karch
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by Karch » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:40 pm
Spoken in Africa?
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
Nortaneous
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by Nortaneous » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:41 pm
Karch wrote: ↑ Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:40 pm Spoken in Africa?
No.
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
Karch
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by Karch » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:43 pm
Spoken in India?
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
Nortaneous
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by Nortaneous » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:49 pm
Karch wrote: ↑ Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:43 pm Spoken in India?
No.
Longer text (with a few typos fixed - the text was originally given in IPA, but the source gives orthographic information)
Vethdz na vethdz i putk'u vethdz. (Wazondafo? - Ea-ea.) Putk'uan haroi peec vethdz. I math' i reez haroi peec az ched nak'tizd. (Tom cagha sethj?) Az ched nak'tedzin hee tedzin, tedzin hee leaureau dethd i pa ther tizd. Dzeeleau dethd i pa ther tizd. Sar i dzeeleau dethd i pa ther. Tar haroi ther dithin tedzin doth. Tid az zabu kiwi rang ghirsin at ghirsin at ghirsin at i peec az wef i jom vreid. (Jom wazon nei? - Ea-ea. - K'ac brok'tichuz.) Di joman di hosiat ceiz? Levd, waht kpa di dzom i k'ac zozd meaug'jenj halg ar ghov ca wethd tik chi peth seaud. (Carang dzom? Yad iw seeto?) Iweau yur peec tizd at tizd at tizd at i jui yothd iko i k'teer aleej. (E? - I k'teer.) I k'teer kdos theest thid at thid at thid at ak'teer viyuid. Ak'teer viyuid hee k'teer hee az jui indezd hee tizd.
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
Karch
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by Karch » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:53 pm
Wait. Sarikoli?
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
Nortaneous
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by Nortaneous » Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:03 pm
Karch wrote: ↑ Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:53 pm Wait. Sarikoli?
Yes. How? Neikrumon Ibrukhim's orthography isn't listed on Wikipedia.
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
Karch
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by Karch » Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:16 pm
Nortaneous wrote: ↑ Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:03 pm
Karch wrote: ↑ Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:53 pm Wait. Sarikoli?
Yes. How? Neikrumon Ibrukhim's orthography isn't listed on Wikipedia.
I skimmed Kim's "Topics in the syntax of Sarikoli" a while ago, and remembered enough of the orthography (namely the existence of <ee> and <eau>) to have an epiphany: it looked weird enough but it was the only option left, and wasn't the word for Nowruz something like "neaureez"?
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
Nortaneous
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by Nortaneous » Sun Nov 24, 2024 8:57 pm
It's one of the example texts from Kim. I thought the preponderance of final coronals - especially -st -zd - would give it away as Iranian.
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
Darren
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by Darren » Mon Nov 25, 2024 12:57 am
Ah damn I almost guessed Indo-European, it did have that kind of a vibe about it, but then I was like, this has consonant clusters and Nort's involved, it must be Tibetic.
Karch
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by Karch » Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:21 am
mahawɨtuhɨ rituʔamari mahawɨtʃi. hitʃaʔu noʔaʔatʃiniʔa? nonʔama ahɨrɨ́ nɨmɨʔapira. runaʔaputʃiheʔano. aanoyanapirama pɨmɨtimɨʔani. piníímano napuʔapiratʃini. huiniputʃimari hipuʔã. aanaʋayíímari.
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
Darren
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by Darren » Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:38 pm
That looks so South American. Is it Cariban?
Karch
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by Karch » Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:48 pm
Darren wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:38 pm
That looks so South American. Is it Cariban?
It is South American, but not Cariban.
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
Skookum
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by Skookum » Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:01 pm
Tupian?
Karch
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by Karch » Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:23 pm
Skookum wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:01 pm Tupian?
No.
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.
Darren
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by Darren » Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:58 am
Core Jê specifically?
Karch
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by Karch » Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:29 pm
bradrn wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:20 pm Jê?
No.
Zpaf kkuñb ñvneahttiñ wqxirftvn meof ñfañhsit.
Kkuñb ñvzxirf kvtañb kkuñf ñtmeaq sfañkqeanth.
Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq. Yvnmuq.