Angloji - logographic English writing system

[Raphael]

The OP explicitly states that he's working with English and not a conlang. He also does not mention conworlding at all.

I'd say the OP is still at least indirectly engaging in conworlding.

I'd say the contest aspect of this makes it wholly apart from this forum, but Raphael has decided to fight to the end for your creation. So, I must obviously relinquish to his authority.

Oh my. I'm sure there are more relaxed ways to handle the fact that there are people interested in things in which you aren't interested.

[naz]

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[bradrn]

The answer is emphatically no, but this isn't even a conlang, is it? This is literally English.

Correct, it is not a conlang, it is a conscript, and as such perfectly acceptable here. It’s not my style of conscript, to be sure, but then again yours aren’t quite my style either and I still like them. There’s really no reason to be this harsh…

(On the other hand, I agree that the monetary rewards are a bit odd. But he hasn’t mentioned them in his posts on this forum, so I don’t really care.)

[Raphael]

but since you feel so strongly that this Angloji project is a vital and essential part of the Conworlding and Conlanging community,

I doubt that all that many things are vital and essential parts of the Conworlding and Conlanging community. It's a buffet, not a meal. Almost anything on it could be left out. But if leave out everything some people aren't interested in, and you don't have much of a buffet left.

However...I am curious why folks aren't the least bit curious about someone offering $1000 do decipher a Hanzi-English code. Maybe I'm just getting suspicious in my old age, but it hardly seems like a good-faith entry into the world of conlanging.

OK, that is a good question.

[naz]

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[bradrn]

There’s really no reason to be this harsh...

What?

Please show me being ""harsh""?

Your posts above. Starting with the sarcastic ‘So avant garde. So daring.’, and continuing on from there.

[naz]

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[RyanChangHill]

However...I am curious why folks aren't the least bit curious about someone offering $1000 do decipher a Hanzi-English code. Maybe I'm just getting suspicious in my old age, but it hardly seems like a good-faith entry into the world of conlanging. But, again, moving forward, I'll defer to Raphael's insightful stewardship.

I saw it as a fun way to drive engagement and attention to the project, for a not-too-large sum of money appropriate for solving an advanced brain teaser. In this day and age of social media and short attention spans, I felt it was kind of necessary. There is no bad faith involved here, certainly not intentionally.

[naz]

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[RyanChangHill]

I saw it as a fun way to drive engagement and attention to the project, for a not-too-large sum of money appropriate for solving an advanced brain teaser. In this day and age of social media and short attention spans, I felt it was kind of necessary. There is no bad faith involved here, certainly not intentionally.

So, it's an advanced brain teaser? A puzzle?

Sounds less like a conlang to me, but I'm not an expert.

Puzzle as in deciphering English written in a new writing system.

As I have said, it is not a conlang, but a conscript for English, which I have been told is fine for this forum.

If you find that it is inappropriate for me to post here while the contest is going, and if everyone agrees, then I can accept that; you can lock the thread until it is done.

[naz]

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[RyanChangHill]

The fact that it's a contest is mainly just weird, and not something we're used to seeing here.

My experience here on the board is that folks TEND to appreciate an explanation of a script rather than just a "hey look at what I made, can you figure it out" kind of post.

Fair enough. Perhaps I should have waited until the contest was over to release all explanation freely. For now, I have been just leaking hints and explanations out bit by bit.

I'm genuinely curious how this is new, or different from the dozens of other Hanzi-like systems I've seen for English.

I would like to think that this is different in that it is a complete system with a significant amount of progress (most I have seen went little beyond discussing the concept) and does not rely on using existing Chinese characters. Are there examples of others have done similar? If so, I would be interested in learning more.

[bradrn]

If you find that it is inappropriate for me to post here while the contest is going, and if everyone agrees, then I can accept that; you can lock the thread until it is done.

I never said it was inappropriate.

I'm genuinely curious how this is new, or different from the dozens of other Hanzi-like systems I've seen for English.

The fact that it's a contest is mainly just weird, and not something we're used to seeing here.

My experience here on the board is that folks TEND to appreciate an explanation of a script rather than just a "hey look at what I made, can you figure it out" kind of post.

Now this critique makes sense. If you’d started out by wording it like this, I wouldn’t have reacted so strongly or misinterpreted it.

[Raphael]

Just that you don't care, which is obvious because you seem more focused on policing/white-knighting.

Oh, come on, masako, show some basic self-awareness. When you appear in a thread solely to argue that the thread shouldn't exist, based entirely on what you think the rules of the forum should be, it's pretty rich for you to accuse others in the thread of policing.

[alice]

I for one am happier to have seen the original post than I would have been to not have seen it.

[Travis B.]

Christ people ─ conscripts are perfectly acceptable here, even if they are for natlangs, and the sarcastic comments and like certainly aren't necessary! This is the right forum for a kanji-inspired script for writing English.

[WeepingElf]

Christ people ─ conscripts are perfectly acceptable here, even if they are for natlangs, and the sarcastic comments and like certainly aren't necessary! This is the right forum for a kanji-inspired script for writing English.

YEP!!! There are many different but equally legitimate kinds of conlangs and conscripts. Even an outright euroclone auxlang would be on topic. For instance, masako's minimalist conlangs do not appeal to me much, I prefer rich and deep systems like the ancient IE languages (actually, it was one of them, Latin, which informed my linguistic taste with its elegant phonology, colourful morphology and flexible syntax), and I try to reproduce this type, with some "spice" from elsewhere (mainly, Georgian), in my Hesperic/Albic project. But that doesn't mean that I consider masako's conlangs bad conlangs, much less still illegitimate conlangs - they are just not my style, but diversity is a virtue.

[zompist]

I'd say the OP is still at least indirectly engaging in conworlding.

Sure, bud. If you say so.

Oh my. I'm sure there are more relaxed ways to handle the fact that there are people interested in things in which you aren't interested.

I'm slightly hesitant to acknowledge you as any sort of expert on relaxed ways to handle things, but since you feel so strongly that this Angloji project is a vital and essential part of the Conworlding and Conlanging community, I feel obliged to defer to your guidance.

However...I am curious why folks aren't the least bit curious about someone offering $1000 do decipher a Hanzi-English code. Maybe I'm just getting suspicious in my old age, but it hardly seems like a good-faith entry into the world of conlanging. But, again, moving forward, I'll defer to Raphael's insightful stewardship.

Perhaps you would "defer" to the person who owns and runs this board. Board policy has always been that conscripts, including spelling reforms, belong in the conlanging/conwording forum.

You, however, are being a jerk. I suggest you read rules 1 and 2 of the house rules.

[bradrn]

Board policy has always been that conscripts, including spelling reforms, belong in the conlanging/conwording forum.

This makes me wonder: have we ever gotten any actual spelling reforms? (Outside the Romanization Challenge Thread, of course.)

[WeepingElf]

I consider English spelling reforms a hopeless cause because the phonology, especially the vowel system, varies between regions, so whatever you do, there will be people who claim that you spell the same sound differently, different sounds the same, or both at the same time, and will thus mark your system off as a failure. Yet, it is a legitimate pursuit to play with alternative spellings of English.