The glebst of gleb, V2.0

[Xwtek]

How do you see a phonology of a language with a given seed?

[Darren]

How do you see a phonology of a language with a given seed?

I think you have to download the offline version which lets you choose the seed. I've never worked out how to get it to work though.

[Man in Space]

I just got a vowel inventory of /ɨ ɨː ɘ ɘː a aː ɤ ɤː o oː/ with seed 1070494456.

[Darren]

Mad necro but

Seed 15979149481 has these consonants:

/p t k/
/s/
/m n/
/l/

And these vowels:

/i u ɛ ɔ æ/

Nothing that impressive. But then we reach the syllable structure — behold:

(C1)V(C2)(C3)(C4)(C5)(C6)(C7)

C1: a consonant
V: a vowel
C2: a consonant
C3: a bilabial stop or nasal; i.e. one of /m p/
C4: a consonant
C5: one of /n̻ s̻ l̻/
C6: a consonant
C7: one of /n̻ k/

That's right, /kæsænmnnnn/ and /mɔkptspk/ are permitted, but /klæ/ is right out!

[Zju]

That's right, /kæsænmnnnn/ and /mɔkptspk/ are permitted, but /klæ/ is right out!

So what you're saying is that syllable structure has no class?

*ducks to avoid thrown tomatoes*

[Ketsuban]

Has anyone put up a version of gleb's web interface that can take a seed as a parameter?

How do you see a phonology of a language with a given seed?

You can see the phonology of a given seed on the online version by appending ?r=[seed] to the URL. For example, here's a link to Darren's syllable fever dream.

[Creyeditor]

I like some of the phonological processes. Seed 4711749792 has the following:

Bilabial obstruents or nasals [m p b ɸ] become non-bilabial and assimilate in dorsality and uvularity and palatalisation and whether palatal or palatalised velar to a following phone.

With the following example:

/ɛmʃun/ [ɛt͡ʃʃun]

The crazy thing for me is that this only happens to bilabial non-continuants.
Edit: Seed 9636074176 has

Front vowels [i e ɛ ...] persistently become non-front [ɨ ɘ ɜ ...] after a consonant. [...]
/n̻ɛs̻o/ [n̻ɜs̻o]
/t̻ʰẽt̻okʰ/ [t̻ʰɘ̃t̻okʰ]
/d̻eu/ [d̻ɘu]

[Darren]

Has anyone put up a version of gleb's web interface that can take a seed as a parameter?

How do you see a phonology of a language with a given seed?

You can see the phonology of a given seed on the online version by appending ?r=[seed] to the URL. For example, here's a link to Darren's syllable fever dream.

Thanks, that's good to know!

Edit: Seed 9636074176 has

Front vowels [i e ɛ ...] persistently become non-front [ɨ ɘ ɜ ...] after a consonant. [...]

Even better, seed 1493228184 has /i/ → [ɨ] / _ C and then /k/ → Ø / V _ V:

/mikamun/ → [mɨamun]

Reminds me of Sikaritai where /ik/ → [ʕ] / C _ V


And another good one – seed 1083357991 has five different coarticulated lamino-dorsal POAs:

• Alveolar-palatal /c͡t̻ ɟ͡d̻/
• Alveolar-palatalised velar /ŋʲ͡n̻/
• Fronted pharyngealised alveolar-velar /k͡t̻ˤ̟ g͡d̻ˤ̟/
• Alveolar-velar /k͡t̻ g͡d̻/
• Pharyngealised alveolar-velar /k͡t̻ˤ g͡d̻ˤ/

[Creyeditor]

1369123504 has lots of consonant to comsonant assimilations but no consonant clusters. Also [c] becomes [kʷ] before rounded vowels. Also palatalization only happens after initial front vowels and sequences of vowels that end in a front vowel because palatalization happens after front vowels but front vowels become central if they follow a consonant.

[Darren]

And some more heinous ones:

• The not at all baroque description of 11088016140's coda consonants as "N: a stop or nasal other than a stop; i.e. one of /m n̻/". I sure wish there was a word for something that was either a stop or a nasal but wasn't the first one.
• 16932796370 has nine plosive MOAs /ⁿt ⁿtʼ ⁿd ⁿɗ̰ t tʼ d ɗ ɗ̰/. In fact I found another seed with twelve MOAs which unfortunately is cut off so I don't actually know what the seed is – either way it has /ⁿt ⁿtʼ ⁿd ⁿd̰ ⁿɗ̥ ⁿɗ̰ t tʼ d d̰ ɗ̥ ɗ̰/ – voiceless, ejective, voiced, creaky-voiced, voiceless implosive and creaky-voiced implosive, all with contrastive prenasalisation. All at five POAs with no gaps.
  1986878880 has a two-way oral stop voicing contrast, and a three-way implosive voicing contrast – /t d ɗ̥ ɗ ɗ̰/.
• 9858507272 has one nasal and one uvular consonant. And of course they're one and the same.
• Gleb's still in the mood to occasionally produce seeds with syllabic nasals, voiced fricatives, voiceless fricatives or voiced stops. I know Mpelle has moraic voiced stops, but Gleb gives you words like /dʒg̟̩m.tʃʰng̟̩/. It seems the days of syllabic ejectives have passed though. And what do you know, seed 10359851020 has syllabic voiceless plosives too. I thought they'd been patched.
• 145301850 has 24 consonant POAs.
• 2736615686 has a laminal-apical contrast, but only in bilabial-alveolar nasals. Not in stops, not in plain alveolars.
• If you take a quick glance at 4960493076, it seems pretty normal. But then you see that the voiceless palatal stop is an ejective for no reason. That's some bullshit Phoible would give you. Usually you can see where gleb is going with weird stuff, but like what? Why is there only one ejective, and why is it palatal, and why isn't there a pulmonic voiceless palatal stop?? ??
• 17044697746 has a Gimi-style creaky-voiced glottal stop (which appears as "##" for some reason, or if you hover over it "0000u0uuuuuu101uuu0uu0u00uuuu0"). Occasionally you end up with "##" as an allophone but this is the only time I've seen it phonemic.
• 3337678637 has two coarticulated taps, /ɾ͡ʙ̻̪̆ ɽ͡ʙ̪̆/ – respectively laminal alveolar-labiodental and retroflex-labiodental.

[Creyeditor]

I like ##, the ghost phoneme: 0000u0uuuuuu101uuu0uu0u00uuuu0

[Raholeun]

I am in absolute agreement with Gleb here that all stops need to have prenasalized counterparts:

/ɲ͡mc͡pʰ ɲ͡mc͡p ɲ͡mɟ͡b ŋ͡mk͡pʰ ŋ͡mk͡p ŋ͡mg͡b mpʰ mp mb ntʰ nt nd nt͡ʃʰ nt͡ʃ nd͡ʒ ŋkʰ ŋk ŋg/
/c͡pʰ c͡p ɟ͡b k͡pʰ k͡p g͡b pʰ p b tʰ t d t͡ʃʰ t͡ʃ d͡ʒ kʰ k g ʔ/
(seed 6210250895)

[Travis B.]

I am also amused by the contrast between bilabial-palatal and bilabial-velar stops.