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Imralu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:10 pmI had to google cherimoya and I found out that it's the same as a custard apple.

Dis ya de mi lehn it a dem "kustat apl", an dem u famili geda dem gwanabana.
Today I learned there are "custard apples", and they are family of soursops.


JAL

Imralu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:10 pmTi naxe zue kuku nu xi ho tieuimoia xeto mainu zuo jeu xu lexi ho kasatarebu.
PRF need search google NOM.1S.ICS ACC.3S.DEF.INAN QUOT cherimoya and.then become.known NOM.C same NOM.3S.DEF.INAN COM.3S.DEF.INAN QUOT custard apple
I had to google cherimoya and I found out that it's the same as a custard apple.

Has atuvinu kuma vu?
Q interr seed NOM.2S.ICS
Did you plant seeds?

K'astalta-ubōttagu? Möngk'össentöngse.
k'astalta-ubōtta-gu? möngk'össen-tö-ng-se.
custard-apple-Q quaint-INTR-PRS-ENERG
Custard apple? How quaint.

Hau, pot'ak' p'ofōbōdōga mōchōt'pyapk'a uk'ö.
hau, pot'-ak' p'ofōbōd-ōg-a mōchōt'pya-pk'a uk'-ö
yes, 1SG-ERG seed-PL-ABS fruit-ELA take-PST
Yes, I took seeds from the fruit.

Pot'yadu yok'p'ō p'ofōbōda rofōtya udittong, huga pot'ak' ōno udong opk'ūk'yattūk.
pot'ya-du yok'p'-ō p'ofōbōd-a rofōtya udi-tto-ng, hug-a pot'-ak' ōno ud-ong opk'ū-k'ya-ttūk
1SG-ADE one-CLF seed-ABS still be-INTR-PRS, REL.PRON-ABS 1SG-ERG NEG be-PRS sit-CAUS-PST.PTCP
I still have one seed that I haven't planted yet.

jal wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:02 am

Imralu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:10 pmI had to google cherimoya and I found out that it's the same as a custard apple.

Dis ya de mi lehn it a dem "kustat apl", an dem u famili geda dem gwanabana.
Today I learned there are "custard apples", and they are family of soursops.


JAL

K'yat'yut pot'ak' learned what a soursop is. ...somewhat. The wikipedia article isn't entirely clear.
today 1SG-ERG

I also learned that I don't know how to form certain relative clauses in this conlang.

Na nôm plêdaior no i me cherimoya-mithin stena lîmaiolo.
/na noʊm ˈpləˌðɪjʊɹ no i mə ˈtɕɛɹɪˌmojaˈmiθɪn ˈstəna ˈlɪi̯mɪˌjolʊ/
3s such be.in.vain<PERF>-3s COMP 2s ALIEN cherimoya-seed.PL 3p.NEG sprout<PAS>-3p.DFC
It's a shame your cherimoya seeds didn't sprout.

Iritt no id tiolon.
/ˈiɹɪt no in tɕolʊn/
think-1s COMP so.much be.tasty-3p
I think they're delicious.

Suith o datt sen sînir tropicir.
/swiθ ʊ dɛt sən ˈsɪi̯nɪɹ ˈtɹopɪkɪɹ/
Sweden ADV step NEG.3s be.sufficient-3s be.tropical-3s
Perhaps Sweden isn't tropical enough.

Qwynegold wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:30 amK'astalta-ubōttagu? Möngk'össentöngse.
k'astalta-ubōtta-gu? möngk'össen-tö-ng-se.
custard-apple-Q quaint-INTR-PRS-ENERG
Custard apple? How quaint.

Eni to bahe itui xu ho kueinti.

eni

DAT.1S.ICS

to

then;thus

bahe

very.EMOT

it‹u›i

small‹CAUS›

xu

NOM.3S.DEF.INAN

ho

QUOT

kueinti

quaint

I find the word "quaint" incredibly patronising.

Qwynegold wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:30 amHau, pot'ak' p'ofōbōdōga mōchōt'pyapk'a uk'ö.
hau, pot'-ak' p'ofōbōd-ōg-a mōchōt'pya-pk'a uk'-ö
yes, 1SG-ERG seed-PL-ABS fruit-ELA take-PST
Yes, I took seeds from the fruit.

Pot'yadu yok'p'ō p'ofōbōda rofōtya udittong, huga pot'ak' ōno udong opk'ūk'yattūk.
pot'ya-du yok'p'-ō p'ofōbōd-a rofōtya udi-tto-ng, hug-a pot'-ak' ōno ud-ong opk'ū-k'ya-ttūk
1SG-ADE one-CLF seed-ABS still be-INTR-PRS, REL.PRON-ABS 1SG-ERG NEG be-PRS sit-CAUS-PST.PTCP
I still have one seed that I haven't planted yet.

Ti oila nu jo mue jehu lo mueigu vane mauegauo zuo tijina ixu.

ti

PRF

oila

read

nu

NOM.1S.ICS

jo

ACC.C

mue

able

jehu

take.time

lo

ADV

mue-igu

able-reach

vane

five

maue-gauo

seven-day

zuo

NOM.C

tt‹ij‹in››a

large‹INCEP.IPFV‹INCEP.PFV››

ixu

NOM.3P.DEF.INAN

I've read that it can take up to five weeks for them to germinate.

Tiezo hana vu lo jehu mo?

ti-ezo

PRF-PRES

hana

wait

vu

NOM.2S.ICS

lo

ADV

jehu

take.time

mo

what

How long have you been waiting?

Qwynegold wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:41 amK'yat'yut pot'ak' learned what a soursop is. ...somewhat. The wikipedia article isn't entirely clear.
today 1SG-ERG

I also learned that I don't know how to form certain relative clauses in this conlang.

Imralu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:49 pm Eni to bahe itui xu ho kueinti.

eni

DAT.1S.ICS

to

then;thus

bahe

very.EMOT

it‹u›i

small‹CAUS›

xu

NOM.3S.DEF.INAN

ho

QUOT

kueinti

quaint

I find the word "quaint" incredibly patronising.

Sen o innadatt siotor porh coppa appanuirdin cherimoya
/sən ʊ ˈinːɪðɪt ˈɕotʊɹ poɹ ˈkopːa ˈapːɪnˌwiɹdɪn ˈtɕɛɹɪˌmoja/
NEG.3s ADV luck be.easy-3s for one offend-3p cherimoya
It's a good thing that cherimoyas aren't easily offended

Imralu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:49 pmEni to bahe itui xu ho kueinti.

eni

DAT.1S.ICS

to

then;thus

bahe

very.EMOT

it‹u›i

small‹CAUS›

xu

NOM.3S.DEF.INAN

ho

QUOT

kueinti

quaint

I find the word "quaint" incredibly patronising.

Atk'wūk'p'o. "K'yūlyesku"?
atk'wūk'p'o. k'yūlyes-ku
sorry. curious-Q
Sorry. Curious?

Imralu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:49 pmTi oila nu jo mue jehu lo mueigu vane mauegauo zuo tijina ixu.

ti

PRF

oila

read

nu

NOM.1S.ICS

jo

ACC.C

mue

able

jehu

take.time

lo

ADV

mue-igu

able-reach

vane

five

maue-gauo

seven-day

zuo

NOM.C

tt‹ij‹in››a

large‹INCEP.IPFV‹INCEP.PFV››

ixu

NOM.3P.DEF.INAN

I've read that it can take up to five weeks for them to germinate.

Tiezo hana vu lo jehu mo?

ti-ezo

PRF-PRES

hana

wait

vu

NOM.2S.ICS

lo

ADV

jehu

take.time

mo

what

How long have you been waiting?

Pot'a rangpa ōnottong udi.
pot'-a rangpa ōno-tto-ng udi
1SG-ABS sure NEG-INTR-PRS be.INF
I'm not sure.

T'a rangpwa sok'yuttongpo at'kwa ok'yu allollat kumk'a.
t'-a rangpwa sok'yu-tto-ng-po at'kwa ok'yu allollat kumk'a
3SG.INANIM-ABS probably must-INTR-PRS-COND begin germinate very soon
They should probably start to germinate pretty soon.

Imralu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:49 pmTwo ideas for that construction in case you're stuck for ideas:

Today I learned that which a soursop is. (demonstrative or other pronoun in matrix clause with relative clause hanging from that)
Today I learned that a soursop is what. (interrogative pronoun inside a complement clause)

Amwa! Ōmkya k'ūju ōtp'obuzassan.
amwa! ōmkya k'ūju ōtp'obuzassan
aha! maybe DEM.2SG first
Aha! Maybe that first one.

Pot'a sok'yuttong pofōdutsocha pokkōt pot'yat reletif-polōnaunoga yok'p'onnat SOV-hyanghōppūt kitp'i p'ussofattong.
pot'-a sok'yu-tto-ng pofōdutsocha pokkōt pot'ya-t reletif-polōnaun-og-a yok'p'o-nnat SOV-hyanghōppū-t kitp'i p'ussofa-tto-ng
1SG-ABS must-INTR-PRS contemplate how 1SG-GEN relative-pronoun-PL-ABS one-ILL SOV-order-GEN with fit-INTR-PRS
I need to think about how how my relative pronouns fit together with SOV-order. This sentence was composed in quite an improvised way.

Imralu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:49 pmKind of dumb that "that" is in both examples in English. In Swedish, it'd be like "det som" and "att ... vad".[/more]

T'yōt k'ūding uttūk, k'uppopk'o.
t'yōt k'ūdi-ng u-ttūk, k'uppopk'o.
so PASS.AUX-PRS be-PST.PTCP, literally
Yeah, it is, literally.

Qwynegold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:18 pmAtk'wūk'p'o. "K'yūlyesku"?
atk'wūk'p'o. k'yūlyes-ku
sorry. curious-Q
Sorry. Curious?

Ka hie nu xi.
PROS let NOM.1S.ICS ACC.3S.DEF.INAN
I'll allow it.

Qwynegold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:18 pm[Pot'a rangpa ōnottong udi.
pot'-a rangpa ōno-tto-ng udi
1SG-ABS sure NEG-INTR-PRS be.INF
I'm not sure.

T'a rangpwa sok'yuttongpo at'kwa ok'yu allollat kumk'a.
t'-a rangpwa sok'yu-tto-ng-po at'kwa ok'yu allollat kumk'a
3SG.INANIM-ABS probably must-INTR-PRS-COND begin germinate very soon
They should probably start to germinate pretty soon.

Gueua luma ixu enio. Naxe hiiama.
sometimes slow NOM.3P.DEF.INAN plant | must patient
Sometimes plants are slow. You have to be patient.

Qwynegold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:18 pmPot'a sok'yuttong pofōdutsocha pokkōt pot'yat reletif-polōnaunoga yok'p'onnat SOV-hyanghōppūt kitp'i p'ussofattong.
pot'-a sok'yu-tto-ng pofōdutsocha pokkōt pot'ya-t reletif-polōnaun-og-a yok'p'o-nnat SOV-hyanghōppū-t kitp'i p'ussofa-tto-ng
1SG-ABS must-INTR-PRS contemplate how 1SG-GEN relative-pronoun-PL-ABS one-ILL SOV-order-GEN with fit-INTR-PRS
I need to think about how how my relative pronouns fit together with SOV-order. This sentence was composed in quite an improvised way.

You have SOV, postpositions, preposed possessives ... your language would probably tend to have relative clauses before their heads and with the relativising element probably last within the relative clause. That said though, that "must" after the subject makes it look much more like German word order and German has relative clauses after the noun (with the option of making some long, heavy participle phrases before the noun instead, but it's only really done in formal written German). DGS also has SOV word order, but relative clauses come after their heads with the relative pronoun first. (Nouns modified by a relative pronoun tend to be topicalised and fronted along with their relative clause, but the relative clause still follows its head.) You're free to do what you like.

Imralu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:00 pm Ti zaba nu zi lubuenio izi euos enio xuis intaneti lo makorese betola xue makorese zanderiana.

ti

PRF

zaba

buy

nu

NOM.1S.ICS

zi

ACC.3S.SPEC.INAN

lubu-enio

container-plant

izi

ACC.3P.SPEC.INAN

euo-s

two-EP

enio

plant

xui-s

ABL.3S.DEF.INAN-EP

intaneti

internet

lo

ADV

makorese

Macodes

betola

petola

xue

and(VP)

makorese

Macodes

zanderiana

sanderiana

I've bought a terrarium and two plants on the internet; a Macodes petola and a Macodes sanderiana.

Tis igu ixu enio guni!

ti-s

PRF

igu

arrive

ixu

NOM.3P.DEF.INAN

enio

plant

g-uni

COP-GEN.1S.ICS

My plants have arrived.

Urgh, too lazy to keep doing the glosses that way right now!

Bahe xivaxiva xu makorese betola.
very.EMOT sparkle NOM.3S.DEF.INAN Macodes petola
The Macodes petola is so sparkly!

Etiti kka xevas eni a tie lo amoxo lo zolas ahes aie tiia.
PST-PRF NEG seen DAT.1S.ICS NOM.3S.NSPEC.INAN DEM.PROX ADV in.front ADV solely indeed INS.3P.NSPEC.INAN picture
I had never seen them in real life before, only in pictures.

Kka mue xevuas a kamera jo baio xivaxiva.
not can seen<CAUS> NOM.3S.NSPEC.INAN camera ACC.C to.that.extent.DIST sparkle
A camera doesn't show how much they sparkle.

Ti amie nu ikue izi tiia za xevua xi aixivaxiva, mie xeva lo mola zu kos ava nxua mane.
PRF try NOM.1S.ICS PRED-cause ACC.3P.SPEC.INAN picture REL seen<CAUS> ACC.3S.DEF.INAN sparklines | but seen ADV merely similar ten COP-LOC.3S.DEF.INAN hundred
I've tried to take pictures of the sparkliness, but you can only see about ten percent.

Atie izu tiia za kue nu.
here.PROX NOM.3P.SPEC.INAN photo REL cause NOM.1S.ICS
Here are some pictures that I took.

Imralu wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:43 pm Atie izu tiia za kue nu.
here.PROX NOM.3P.SPEC.INAN photo REL cause NOM.1S.ICS
Here are some pictures that I took.

More: show

Yaagireebemey riʔaa!
/jaːɡireːbemej riʔaː/
3p.ABS-beautiful-PRES.PFV INT

They’re beautiful!

/sik ᵐbas bal ᵑɡən ˈfawət͡ɬ || məˈt͡sʰuɬ bəj ˈsuʔəɣ ⁿdəl/

1. Sik mbas bal ŋgən fawətɬ. Mətshuɬ bəy suʔəɣ ndəl?
2. Sik mbas bal ngen fawetɬ. Me=tshuɬ bey suʔeg ndel?
3. Sik mbas bal ngen fawetł. Me chuł bey suʔeg ndel?
4. Sik mbas bal ngen fawetl. Me chulh bey sueg ndel?
this new 1s POSS language. ERG=which Q please 2p?

This is my new language. Which one [of these romanizations] do you like?

(Context: this is a new language which I’m developing, and I’m struggling to decide which one of the romanizations above I like most. Since I can’t decide, I thought that I would ask here to see what everyone else prefers. Romanization (1) is just minimally altered IPA, and (2)–(4) get progressively less IPA-like. The phonology is here if anyone wants to know.)

Lagró-lisku li dua az ku!
three-item INST 1 exchange each
I prefer number 3 [I (would) exchange others (of the same series) for number three]

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:19 pmThis is my new language. Which one [of these romanizations] do you like?

Mi a go ansa ina oda yahn.
I'll answer in the other thread.


JAL

jal wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:34 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:19 pmThis is my new language. Which one [of these romanizations] do you like?

Mi a go ansa ina oda yahn.
I'll answer in the other thread.

/t͡sʰuɬ bəj saɣ tʰaˈlaŋ?/
what Q NVIS hair

What thread is that?

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:40 amWhat thread is that?

Di ray-ina-roman-leta ahcip yahn yu lingk pon.
The romanization challenge thread you linked to.


JAL

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:19 pm This is my new language. Which one [of these romanizations] do you like?

Mejaguese: e-oñü ma magge e par ho mö. e-oñü <ł> kar če <ɬ>.
INAN-please ACC 1s ERG three and four / INAN-please <ł> strong than <ɬ>
I like 3 and 4. I prefer <ł> to <ɬ>.

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:19 pm
1. Sik mbas bal ŋgən fawətɬ. Mətshuɬ bəy suʔəɣ ndəl?
2. Sik mbas bal ngen fawetɬ. Me=tshuɬ bey suʔeg ndel?
3. Sik mbas bal ngen fawetł. Me chuł bey suʔeg ndel?
4. Sik mbas bal ngen fawetl. Me chulh bey sueg ndel?
this new 1s POSS language. ERG=which Q please 2p?

This is my new language. Which one [of these romanizations] do you like?

Šaeliapo.
four-LOC-B-ACC-1P
The fourth.

I like neat and tidy orthographies, and assuming /ʔ/ can't contrast with hiatus, I see no reason to spell it at all. However, I also like monographs better than digraphs, so #3 is good too.

Pabappa wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:49 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:19 pm
1. Sik mbas bal ŋgən fawətɬ. Mətshuɬ bəy suʔəɣ ndəl?
2. Sik mbas bal ngen fawetɬ. Me=tshuɬ bey suʔeg ndel?
3. Sik mbas bal ngen fawetł. Me chuł bey suʔeg ndel?
4. Sik mbas bal ngen fawetl. Me chulh bey sueg ndel?
this new 1s POSS language. ERG=which Q please 2p?

This is my new language. Which one [of these romanizations] do you like?

Šaeliapo.
four-LOC-B-ACC-1P
The fourth.

I like neat and tidy orthographies, and assuming /ʔ/ can't contrast with hiatus, I see no reason to spell it at all. However, I also like monographs better than digraphs, so #3 is good too.

It doesn’t contrast, since every syllable must have an onset.

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:19 pm /sik ᵐbas bal ᵑɡən ˈfawət͡ɬ || məˈt͡sʰuɬ bəj ˈsuʔəɣ ⁿdəl/

1. Sik mbas bal ŋgən fawətɬ. Mətshuɬ bəy suʔəɣ ndəl?
2. Sik mbas bal ngen fawetɬ. Me=tshuɬ bey suʔeg ndel?
3. Sik mbas bal ngen fawetł. Me chuł bey suʔeg ndel?
4. Sik mbas bal ngen fawetl. Me chulh bey sueg ndel?
this new 1s POSS language. ERG=which Q please 2p?

This is my new language. Which one [of these romanizations] do you like?

Em amne anauh houha, geam gum meom geid yeinohauh

Em

ID

am-ne

four-ORD

an-auh

NZI-most

houh-a,

ALL-1s

geam

and

gum

INST

meom

push

gei-d

do-PROX

yeinoh-auh

easy-most

The fourth is best to me, easiest to type

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:19 pm 4. Sik mbas bal ngen fawetl. Me chulh bey sueg ndel?
this new 1s POSS language. ERG=which Q please 2p?

This is my new language. Which one [of these romanizations] do you like?

na ke kima'o tsopo
I prefer #4.