Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:04 am
Hold your horses! That was an accidental submission due to a failed attempt to input schwa using the android keyboard.
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Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:56 am
There the same selectional choice in 'once', 'wonderful' and trouble'. I grew up using the LOT vowel for them, but for the first two switched to the STRUT vowel to provide a correct model for my wife, who is not a native speaker. The LOT vowel has been denigrated as a 'spelling pronounciation'. You can hear the LOT vowel in Louis Armstrong 'What a wonderful world', Rod Stewart, Doris Troy 'Just one Look' and Mary Hopkin 'Those were the days' and Patti Page and Doris Day 'Tennessee Waltz'. I have wondered if these vowels are marks of people who have made an effort to speak proper, though obviously they can pass down the generations.Kuchigakatai wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:57 am If you guys have rarely or never heard /wɒn/, and if they have rarely or never heard /wʌn/, it sounds like there's probably some curious societal effects going on, with non-intermingling social circles.Or just people somehow not paying attention to the difference in the phoneme used.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:04 am
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:07 am
I practically never hear Americans with LOT in these words, so it is interesting that Louis Armstrong would use LOT here.Richard W wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:56 amThere the same selectional choice in 'once', 'wonderful' and trouble'. I grew up using the LOT vowel for them, but for the first two switched to the STRUT vowel to provide a correct model for my wife, who is not a native speaker. The LOT vowel has been denigrated as a 'spelling pronounciation'. You can hear the LOT vowel in Louis Armstrong 'What a wonderful world', Rod Stewart, Doris Troy 'Just one Look' and Mary Hopkin 'Those were the days' and Patti Page and Doris Day 'Tennessee Waltz'. I have wondered if these vowels are marks of people who have made an effort to speak proper, though obviously they can pass down the generations.Kuchigakatai wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:57 am If you guys have rarely or never heard /wɒn/, and if they have rarely or never heard /wʌn/, it sounds like there's probably some curious societal effects going on, with non-intermingling social circles.
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:11 pm
That is almost how I pronounce them, except that in my speech I would consider [t̪͡θ] to be a dental affricate reflecting how I frequently realize /θ/ as opposed to a consonant cluster reflecting /tθ/, considering that I also pronounce with and breath with this affricate much of the time. The difference between width and breadth on one hand and with and breath (and also eighth) on the other is that the former take a long vowel and may take, when spoken carefully, a geminate coda consonant, while the latter always take a short vowel and and a short coda consonant.anteallach wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:06 pm/wɪtθ/ and /brɛtθ/, with the same consonant cluster as in eighth /ɛɪtθ/. The /t/ is dental.
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:49 pm
strength
Anyone got [ŋkθ] in this one?
What do you think of [stɹ̥ɛŋθ], [stɹ̥ɛnθ], [stɹ̥ɛntθ]?
Anyone got [ŋkθ] in this one?
What do you think of [stɹ̥ɛŋθ], [stɹ̥ɛnθ], [stɹ̥ɛntθ]?
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:05 pm
All of these are fine for me. (I think my primary pronunciation is [stɹ̥ɛn(t)θ], though I’m not entirely sure.)Kuchigakatai wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:49 pm strength
Anyone got [ŋkθ] in this one?
What do you think of [stɹ̥ɛŋθ], [stɹ̥ɛnθ], [stɹ̥ɛntθ]?
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:12 pm
[ŋkθ] is natural for me, maybe [ŋθ] too.Kuchigakatai wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:49 pm strength
Anyone got [ŋkθ] in this one?
What do you think of [stɹ̥ɛŋθ], [stɹ̥ɛnθ], [stɹ̥ɛntθ]?
[nθ ntθ] aren't part of my idiolect, but they don't feel too unfamiliar to me. Maybe they're more American pronunciations?
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:01 pm
I have [ŋkθ] but [ŋθ] does not sound unusual to me. OTOH, I am not used to [nθ] or [ntθ] at all for this, and this is as an American.Kuchigakatai wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:49 pm strength
Anyone got [ŋkθ] in this one?
What do you think of [stɹ̥ɛŋθ], [stɹ̥ɛnθ], [stɹ̥ɛntθ]?
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:03 pm
Even in the sequences "with a..." and "with it"?Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:30 amI am familiar with both pronunciations but consistently have /θ/ myself.Nortaneous wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:11 am huh, "with" doesn't have θ-ð free variation for most people?
(for "with the" I'd probably say [-ˀt̪d̪-], or [-θð-] in careful speech, although I'm not sure - I assume it's distinguished from "with a" somehow)
/witθ/ and /bredθ/, I think.
It's hard to tell whether the stop is there, but I might have /ŋkθ/. /n(t)θ/ is common around here, but I don't say it.Kuchigakatai wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:49 pm strength
Anyone got [ŋkθ] in this one?
What do you think of [stɹ̥ɛŋθ], [stɹ̥ɛnθ], [stɹ̥ɛntθ]?
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:15 pm
Yes, I have /θ/ consistently in "with a..." and "with it". However, for "with the" I frequently have [t̪ː].Nortaneous wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:03 pmEven in the sequences "with a..." and "with it"?Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:30 amI am familiar with both pronunciations but consistently have /θ/ myself.Nortaneous wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:11 am huh, "with" doesn't have θ-ð free variation for most people?
(for "with the" I'd probably say [-ˀt̪d̪-], or [-θð-] in careful speech, although I'm not sure - I assume it's distinguished from "with a" somehow).
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:58 am
reparative
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:26 pm
reparative: [ʁʷəˈpʰɛːʁɘˌtʰɘːf]
Re: The "How Do You Pronounce X" Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:32 pm
How would you read the name of this dinosaur, Yandusaurus Hongheensis? I'd say [jɑ̃ndʉwsɔɻˤʷɨs hɑ̃ŋhʊɪ̃nsɨs].
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:32 pm
I tried to google "Yandu Honghe" and absolutely nothing came up.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:38 pm