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Ares Land wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:33 am It's really a card game first! The occult associations came later.
As a teenager, I actually knew how to use a Tarot deck for fortunetelling. I wish I could tell something deep about the cards channeling Jungian archetypes -- the sad truth is they're mostly channeling the Barnum effect :)
Just as well... the occult makes for good fiction, I don't think it'd be better to live in a world where it was real!

Imagine Elon Musk starting a new business to disrupt and exploit the occult industries... that doesn't end well.
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zompist wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:59 am Imagine Elon Musk starting a new business to disrupt and exploit the occult industries... that doesn't end well.
Actually a minor plot point in one of the Laundry Series novels, can't remember which.
(I've enjoyed the first four or five books in that series, but I didn't like the newer ones much)
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Ares Land wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:56 am
zompist wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:59 am Imagine Elon Musk starting a new business to disrupt and exploit the occult industries... that doesn't end well.
Actually a minor plot point in one of the Laundry Series novels, can't remember which.
(I've enjoyed the first four or five books in that series, but I didn't like the newer ones much)
I only read those first books. I appreciate the fact that Stross has gone full gonzo... essentially asking, what if the Laundry fails?... I felt like the Culture novels suffered because Banks never gave the Culture an adversary that actually threatened it. But I don't much care for apocalypse stories... or maybe for long book series. :P
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zompist wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:48 am
Ares Land wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:56 am
zompist wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:59 am Imagine Elon Musk starting a new business to disrupt and exploit the occult industries... that doesn't end well.
Actually a minor plot point in one of the Laundry Series novels, can't remember which.
(I've enjoyed the first four or five books in that series, but I didn't like the newer ones much)
I only read those first books. I appreciate the fact that Stross has gone full gonzo... essentially asking, what if the Laundry fails?... I felt like the Culture novels suffered because Banks never gave the Culture an adversary that actually threatened it. But I don't much care for apocalypse stories... or maybe for long book series. :P
The trouble with the latest Laundry novels is
More: show
that the series had build up to Case Nightmare Green -- Earth's inevitable takeover by Lovecraftian horrors. But then it turns out anticlimatic -- Britain is taken over by Nyarlatothep but nothing much happens,really. At times you get the idea that Stross would actually prefer Nyarly to the Tories.
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Ares Land wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:27 am But then it turns out anticlimatic --
More: show
Britain is taken over by Nyarlatothep but nothing much happens,really. At times you get the idea that Stross would actually prefer Nyarly to the Tories.
Yeah-- and that's a pretty good joke. But it's not as good a joke as the original one (higher math + comp sci = magic). If things don't actually spiral into doom, it may not age well in 20 years. Tying books too closely to their decade is not usually a good idea.
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Continuing on from my last post here, another fun card game I learned recently that's available on BoardGameArena is Tichu.

Also, getting into trains again: https://18xx.games/
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Let Go by KMFDM.
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The Religion Construction Kit. What do you mean, you haven't ordered it yet?
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I just finished Pathogenesis: How Germs Made History by Johnathan Kennedy. A very interesting take on history, emphasising the role of pathogens¹. I think the role of pathologens is probably slightly overstated, but it is a very interesting book, and probably worth reading for conworlding

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Lērisama wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:02 am I just finished Pathogenesis: How Germs Made History by Johnathan Kennedy. A very interesting take on history, emphasising the role of pathogens¹. I think the role of pathologens is probably slightly overstated, but it is a very interesting book, and probably worth reading for conworlding

¹ Which is basically just restating the title in more words, which is probably a good thing – the title makes sense
I don't know this book, but apparently (according to Johannes Krause, Die Reise unserer Gene) there was an outbreak of Yersinia pestis in Europe around 3000 BC, which cleared the pathway for the Yamnaya people who thus spread Indo-European languages across Europe. So it was not just their horses which gave them the edge to do that.
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WeepingElf wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:20 am
Lērisama wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:02 am I just finished Pathogenesis: How Germs Made History by Johnathan Kennedy. A very interesting take on history, emphasising the role of pathogens¹. I think the role of pathologens is probably slightly overstated, but it is a very interesting book, and probably worth reading for conworlding

¹ Which is basically just restating the title in more words, which is probably a good thing – the title makes sense
I don't know this book, but apparently (according to Johannes Krause, Die Reise unserer Gene) there was an outbreak of Yersinia pestis in Europe around 3000 BC, which cleared the pathway for the Yamnaya people who thus spread Indo-European languages across Europe. So it was not just their horses which gave them the edge to do that.
That was one of the cases specifically mentioned in the book. Apparently they have found the bacterium in skeletons in Sweden
LZ – Lēri Ziwi
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I recently finished Don't Believe A Word: The Surprising Truth About Language by David Shariatmadari. It's a layperson's introduction to some aspects of linguistics, mainly focused on refuting some pop science linguistics myths. As I had expected, it mostly taught me things I had already learned before by spending so much time on the ZBB, but it's still pretty interesting. Some ZBB regulars should really read the chapter on word meanings and etymological origins.

Each chapter has, as its title, one common misconception about linguistics that the author then spends much or all of the chapter demolishing. That might leave someone who only reads the table of contents with a very wrong impression of what the book is saying.

I like the balanced approach he takes towards the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis: he points out a number of flaws in the "strong" version of the idea, and tells us some things I hadn't known before, such as how little linguistic training Whorf had when he came up with the idea, and how little Hopi he knew; but he finishes by mentioning some empirical evidence in favor of at least a "weak" version of the hypothesis.

The last chapter, where he first explains about Chomsky's language instinct and universal grammar, and then explains why he doesn't really accept either, was a bit difficult to follow for me. I wonder how difficult to follow it might be for people who didn't spend years on the ZBB.

Despite those quibbles, I can really recommend the book as an introductory resource for people new to linguistics. Perhaps it could be mentioned as such elsewhere on the ZBB?
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I finished How to Read Numbers: A Guide to Statistics in the News (and Knowing When to Trust Them), by Tom and David Chivers, which is basically a non-technical introduction to a number of common statistics- and numbers-related fallacies. It's great! I especially like a quote from Chapter 9, Is That a Big Number?

When is a number a big number? There’s no such thing, really. Or rather: the bigness or otherwise of a number depends entirely on its context. A hundred is a big number of people to have in your house, but it’s a small number of stars in the galaxy. Two is a small number of hairs on your head, but it’s a huge number of lifetime Nobel Prizes, or gunshot wounds to the stomach.
Really, out of all math-related things that most people don't know much about, this is the one I'd most want most people to understand. I don't expect people to know algebra or calculus or whatever, but IMO adults should know that, say, a million, while it might seem like an incredibly big number, isn't really a big number if the context is, for instance, how many US Dollars a country with a hundred million inhabitants spends on education.

Other neat quotes:

Relatedly, be wary when you read that something - a political party, perhaps, or a religion - is ‘fast-growing’. It may be that a political party is indeed the fastest-growing in relative terms, if it has doubled in size in a week; but if you were to learn that last week it had one member, and this week that one member recruited her husband to join, so now it has doubled in size to two members, you might not be so impressed.

[...] but there are many, more prosaic, examples of survivorship bias. The most obvious perhaps is ‘secrets-of-my-success’-type books by business leaders. You know the kind of thing - The 12 Habits of Extremely Rich People: How I Made My Millions by Getting Up Very Early, Only Drinking Avocado Smoothies and Firing 10 Per Cent of My Workforce at Random Every Two Weeks by Thaddeus T. Richman.

The [Daily] Telegraph had its own style guide; one of its old columnists, Simon Heffer, turned it into a book. It includes ways of referring to people and places; being the Telegraph, it was extremely particular about the correct ways of referring to members of the aristocracy, clergy and armed forces. (‘Eldest sons of dukes, marquesses and earls take by courtesy the father’s second title, assuming there is one. The Duke of Bedford’s son is the Marquess of Tavistock. Lord Tavistock’s elder son, if he has one, can use the third title of the Duke, and he therefore is Lord Howland.’)

BuzzFeed, another outlet Tom worked at for some years, also has its own style guide, which is much less concerned with correctly identifying monsignors from baronets, and instead spends considerable time ruling on whether or not to hyphenate ‘butt-dial’, ‘circle jerk’ or ‘douchebag’ (all thus), or to put a space in ‘J.Lo’ when referring to the abbreviation for Jennifer Lopez (don’t).
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Finished The Unaccountability Machine: Why Big Systems Make Terrible Decisions – and How the World Lost Its Mind by Dan Davies. I have mixed feelings about it.

It starts really well, describing problems that are clearly real. That is, the way how, in today's world, often no one is really responsible for decisions, and no one can be held accountable for them, because in a way, the decision is made by a system rather than an individual.

Problem is, the book is mainly about discussing how the ideas of classical cybernetics relate to all that. And I'm not really convinced that this is as relevant to the initial problem as the author clearly thinks it is.

However, over the course of the book, Davies makes a whole lot of great points, so that I kind of think that his minor points are better than his major point. I especially like his criticism of the Economics profession and their reliance on models. For instance, there's

Economics could make a model suggesting that a given outcome was optimal, before gathering data about it and estimating how far reality was from the theoretical optimum. Depending on political preferences and ideological commitments, they could then either go back and make a new model, or declare that the distance represented a failure on the part of reality and suggest a policy to bring the world into line. It’s not hard to see why these people became influential advisors.
Or

Ever since Ricardo, economists have had a strong tendency to:

a) make a model of some feature of the economy, stripping away nearly all the complexity;
b) make a lot of simplifying assumptions, often questionable in terms of their empirical relevance;
c) show that their conclusion follows from their assumptions, which ought to be quite easy if they’ve made the assumptions strong enough;
d) act as if their conclusion has now been proved in the real world.
Or

The real blind spot of modern economics is the economy.
Or

Accountancy, with its books of principles and standards, will always bring you face to face with the realities of production and distribution, and that sort of knowledge is difficult to reconcile with economists’ modelling. Teaching young economists how to read a set of accounts might lead to awkward questions about time and information. Even an innocent question like, ‘How do you really calculate depreciation?’ could get in the way of an efficient modelling strategy that delivers a quick and definite answer. Best to protect the youth from such corruption.
Or his criticism of management consultants

Stereotypically, a consulting assignment goes through stages of signing the contract, talking to the employees and middle managers, finding the person who knows how to solve the problem, then packaging up their solution and selling it to top management.
One point with which I outright disagree is his claim that, in the last decades of the 20th century, the "managerial class" lost a struggle against the capitalist owner class. I think there is too much overlap between those groups for that juxtaposition to make sense.
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Geburt Einer Nation and Opus Dei by Laibach
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Just finished "I Don't Like Your Tie". One of the strangest books I have ever read.
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Travis B. wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:58 pm Geburt Einer Nation and Opus Dei by Laibach
My friends had to be convinced that the former of these was a cover of a Queen song, and I think I destroyed a German friend's childhood by playing him the latter.
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Linguoboy wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:11 pm
Travis B. wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:58 pm Geburt Einer Nation and Opus Dei by Laibach
My friends had to be convinced that the former of these was a cover of a Queen song, and I think I destroyed a German friend's childhood by playing him the latter.
There is a line in Opus Dei that I think the lyrics online are wrong about; in every place I have looked up the lyrics online it says that a certain line in the last section of the song is "We thought it would last", but from listening to the song multiple times I am very sure it actually is "We fought and we'd lost" (there is a clear /f/ in the second word, there is "and" and not "it" in the line, and the vowel in "last"/"lost" sounds clearly rounded to me), which is even more in keeping with the spirit of the song.
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[edit] I’m reading the lyrics to, and listening to,[/edit]
War Pigs by Black Sabbath with Ozzie Osborne

There’s a line Ozzie sings
“Politicians hide themselves away
“They only started the war.
“Why should they go out and fight?
“They leave that role to the poor”.

Thing is, for most of history, going into battle was nearly a necessary step to business greatness, and/or political power and influence.

I’m pretty sure that, before the North American Civil war, rich people who were young enough and healthy enough to be deployed in a battle, would seek to take up a role. They preferred combat positions; but they’d take any duty that was honorable.
If the Civil War wasn’t the cutoff time, then IMMSM World War 1 was.

to the best of my knowledge, before the Civil War, sons of powerful or influential parents wanted combat duty; there was no glory to be obtained “working in the rear echelon”.
And after WWI, this was almost totally false. Powerful and influential and well-to-do families wouldn’t want any of their sons to take on the dangers and risks of combat,

….

Does that explain why I disagreed with the Black Sabbath lyric
“why should they go out to fight?
“ they leave that role to the poor!”

I don’t think people hid their recruitable sons between the North American Civil War and the First World War;
they’d have an illicit relationship with the draft board (such as bribing).

…..

I could be wrong!

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