How do you store logograms in a spreadsheet?Man in Space wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 10:36 pm Technically yesterday, but I finally got (most of) the Caber logograms indexed to their referent term(s) in my spreadsheet. Hopefully now I’m in a better position to make new ones and avoid duplicating existing ones.
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I don’t—I save them as images with alphanumeric filenames: alpha tells you the resolution (I have several standard ones), whereas the numeric is like the glyph’s Social Security number and increments. The numeric identifier is strictly for my own keeping things organized. My main CC spreadsheet now tells you the numeric in the dictionary entry; previously I had a separate thing for recording glyphs by number but now I can more easily reference this information.bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 09, 2025 3:39 amHow do you store logograms in a spreadsheet?Man in Space wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 10:36 pm Technically yesterday, but I finally got (most of) the Caber logograms indexed to their referent term(s) in my spreadsheet. Hopefully now I’m in a better position to make new ones and avoid duplicating existing ones.
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Hmm, OK. I guess I could do something like that for Eŋes, but it seems painful…Man in Space wrote: ↑Thu Oct 09, 2025 6:49 amI don’t—I save them as images with alphanumeric filenames: alpha tells you the resolution (I have several standard ones), whereas the numeric is like the glyph’s Social Security number and increments. My main CC spreadsheet now tells you the numeric in the dictionary entry.bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 09, 2025 3:39 amHow do you store logograms in a spreadsheet?Man in Space wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 10:36 pm Technically yesterday, but I finally got (most of) the Caber logograms indexed to their referent term(s) in my spreadsheet. Hopefully now I’m in a better position to make new ones and avoid duplicating existing ones.
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I edited the post to clarify a bit but you ninja’d me with the quote.bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 09, 2025 6:51 amHmm, OK. I guess I could do something like that for Eŋes, but it seems painful…Man in Space wrote: ↑Thu Oct 09, 2025 6:49 amI don’t—I save them as images with alphanumeric filenames: alpha tells you the resolution (I have several standard ones), whereas the numeric is like the glyph’s Social Security number and increments. My main CC spreadsheet now tells you the numeric in the dictionary entry.
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I don’t see how your edit changes anything? Either way, I feel like it’s just asking for the words, numbers and glyphs to get out of sync with each other… let alone the annoyance of managing so many little image files.Man in Space wrote: ↑Thu Oct 09, 2025 6:53 amI edited the post to clarify a bit but you ninja’d me with the quote.bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 09, 2025 6:51 amHmm, OK. I guess I could do something like that for Eŋes, but it seems painful…Man in Space wrote: ↑Thu Oct 09, 2025 6:49 am I don’t—I save them as images with alphanumeric filenames: alpha tells you the resolution (I have several standard ones), whereas the numeric is like the glyph’s Social Security number and increments. My main CC spreadsheet now tells you the numeric in the dictionary entry.
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My aim is to keep updating as I go along. My original system was an inconsistent cowboy job of a mess; now I can easily reference the characters as I require them/need to see what glyphs exist vs. what are needed.bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 09, 2025 7:29 amI don’t see how your edit changes anything? Either way, I feel like it’s just asking for the words, numbers and glyphs to get out of sync with each other… let alone the annoyance of managing so many little image files.Man in Space wrote: ↑Thu Oct 09, 2025 6:53 amI edited the post to clarify a bit but you ninja’d me with the quote.
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How do you find your way around...
Classifying logograms has always been difficult,
from semantic classifications (thesaurus-style)
to graphic classifications (like Chinese characters by number of strokes)
to phonetic classifications (using the alphabet !?)...
For 3SDeductiveLanguage(1Sense=1Sign=1Sound),
the 3S equality means that the three are confused :
Classification by meaning gives a classification by sign resemblance,
and a classification by sound...
However, I only have about a hundred operands,
which fit on a credit card format,
and easily in mind...
Classifying logograms has always been difficult,
from semantic classifications (thesaurus-style)
to graphic classifications (like Chinese characters by number of strokes)
to phonetic classifications (using the alphabet !?)...
For 3SDeductiveLanguage(1Sense=1Sign=1Sound),
the 3S equality means that the three are confused :
Classification by meaning gives a classification by sign resemblance,
and a classification by sound...
However, I only have about a hundred operands,
which fit on a credit card format,
and easily in mind...
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That is certainly one approach I have considered. The decimal systems you describe are technically called biquinary, which would make this form of base-12 biseximal. Another major challenge is that the most common measurement systems like metric assume base-10 numbers. Having said that, I do have some promising ideas for synthesizing metric with base-12 numbers. For instance, 12³ meters (1728m) fills the niche of miles and kilometers nicely while 1/12³ tonnes (0.5787kg) approximates pounds and kilograms.WeepingElf wrote: ↑Sun Oct 05, 2025 7:28 amThere are decimal systems in which '6' to '9' are derived from '5+1' to '5+4' (which is probably what Travis means). In the same way, a base-12 system can easily be built on roots for just '1' to '6': '7' is '6+1' and so on.
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The second of these is actually quite close to the British pint (568 ml), too.
"But he had reckoned without my narrative powers! With one bound I narrated myself up the wall and into the bathroom, where I transformed him into a freestanding sink unit.
We washed our hands of him, and lived happily ever after."
We washed our hands of him, and lived happily ever after."
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I like that. So do you choose just one metric unit of weight, one of length, etc, and then power-of-12 multiples of those?malloc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 11, 2025 3:41 pm That is certainly one approach I have considered. The decimal systems you describe are technically called biquinary, which would make this form of base-12 biseximal. Another major challenge is that the most common measurement systems like metric assume base-10 numbers. Having said that, I do have some promising ideas for synthesizing metric with base-12 numbers. For instance, 12³ meters (1728m) fills the niche of miles and kilometers nicely while 1/12³ tonnes (0.5787kg) approximates pounds and kilograms.
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I noticed that I'm up to about 465 dictionary entries for my revamped version of Mis and about 635 entries for Oshaharu. (Maybe the former will soon be celebrated by revamping the Mislandic ljöv banknotes.)
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lexember time...
without a lexicon, I prefer to practice transllexember, translating the words from the previous day...
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I did the overdue update of my conlang pages: uploaded two new essays (A Guide to Indo-European Diachronic Conlanging and Notes on Quendian), and updated the links section.
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Thanks. This will be helpful for a beginner like me.WeepingElf wrote: ↑Fri Dec 19, 2025 5:50 am I did the overdue update of my conlang pages: uploaded two new essays (A Guide to Indo-European Diachronic Conlanging and Notes on Quendian), and updated the links section.
I do have IE-like languages. One is so much of a generic Eurolang with some Czech-like attributes that I'm embarrassed to post it. I also don't like its current aesthetic:
Iš rámo fospyin še beihüin, ši.
the beer drink-3PL and laugh-3PL now
We drink beer and laugh, now.
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I still like money.
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fka vampireshark and doctor shark
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Perpetually in search of banknote subjects. Inquire within.
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fixed a couple of long-standing sca errors and the associated incorrect inflection issues in early modern gothic. working now on trying to get all my documentation sorted out, updated, and consistent. also took the opportunity to update my zbb post with an index of all my existing anthologica dictionary entries for the gothic project
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Since the new year began I have not been as keenly attentive to Msérsca, but I have been mulling over its comparative constructions for several days, and that slower, more undulating pattern of attention has been to some clear benefit.
I'd already established that Msérsca had a comparative construction with the ablative, as in:
Páth cálirá torra.
stone wood-ABL strong.PRES
Stone is stronger than wood.
And "strong" lacking a distinctive comparative suffix is something I'm unaccustomed to as a speaker of IE-languages (and even non-IE European & some Caucasian languages have this feature), but it felt fine for Msérsca. And according to WALS (I recently looked), this is quite common!
However, I've also determined that there is a verb ulta to be far (from), exceed, surpass, and that it can be suffixed (and slightly altered via sound change) to a verb in a construction much like English outdo, outrun, etc., giving
Páth cál torrauta.
"Stone outstrongs wood."
I think spíni to follow, come next could be used this way as well, giving a slightly different sense:
Páth cál torraspíni.
"Stone is actually stronger than wood." / "Stone turns out to be even stronger than wood."
Now of course this ends up being quite similar to European comparative suffix world, and I may even find that there are what amount to suppletive forms for to be better vs. to be good. But I think it would be ungrammatical to say *Páth cálirá torrauta. There is a nuance here, though, that if I reverse the order of the nouns being compared, the construction is perfectly fine. This is because the ablative has also developed a function as a topic marker for non-subjects. So we are perfectly free to say:
Calirá páth torrauta.
"As for wood, stone is stronger [than it]."
I'd already established that Msérsca had a comparative construction with the ablative, as in:
Páth cálirá torra.
stone wood-ABL strong.PRES
Stone is stronger than wood.
And "strong" lacking a distinctive comparative suffix is something I'm unaccustomed to as a speaker of IE-languages (and even non-IE European & some Caucasian languages have this feature), but it felt fine for Msérsca. And according to WALS (I recently looked), this is quite common!
However, I've also determined that there is a verb ulta to be far (from), exceed, surpass, and that it can be suffixed (and slightly altered via sound change) to a verb in a construction much like English outdo, outrun, etc., giving
Páth cál torrauta.
"Stone outstrongs wood."
I think spíni to follow, come next could be used this way as well, giving a slightly different sense:
Páth cál torraspíni.
"Stone is actually stronger than wood." / "Stone turns out to be even stronger than wood."
Now of course this ends up being quite similar to European comparative suffix world, and I may even find that there are what amount to suppletive forms for to be better vs. to be good. But I think it would be ungrammatical to say *Páth cálirá torrauta. There is a nuance here, though, that if I reverse the order of the nouns being compared, the construction is perfectly fine. This is because the ablative has also developed a function as a topic marker for non-subjects. So we are perfectly free to say:
Calirá páth torrauta.
"As for wood, stone is stronger [than it]."
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After reading this highly interesting book, I found the Old Albic word for 'bird': phintá (< Proto-Hesperic *p'etnah < PIE *petnos (root *pet- 'to fly'). The idea came from chapter 5, which discusses a suffix -annos found in several Celtic bird names, for which it gives PIE *petnos (the loss of *p is regular in Celtic) as a possible etymology. I decided that Celtic got it from Hesperic, and with the sound changes I have in mind for Old Albic, I got phintá, which also sounds very fitting to me.
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I like the sound of it too. As it happens, one of Msérsca's words for bird (basically passerine) is pínWeepingElf wrote: ↑Sat Jan 10, 2026 12:33 pm After reading this highly interesting book, I found the Old Albic word for 'bird': phintá (< Proto-Hesperic *p'etnah < PIE *petnos (root *pet- 'to fly'). The idea came from chapter 5, which discusses a suffix -annos found in several Celtic bird names, for which it gives PIE *petnos (the loss of *p is regular in Celtic) as a possible etymology. I decided that Celtic got it from Hesperic, and with the sound changes I have in mind for Old Albic, I got phintá, which also sounds very fitting to me.

