Word evolution game

Rounin Ryuuji · Post by **Rounin Ryuuji** » Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:48 pm

Diphthong collapse: [ou aoː] > [oː ɔː]

[çe çioː ʈʂʰɑ: ɲi tʰioː]
Hye hiō chā ni tiō

[çe ʎ̝̊e kʰɑ: çi ʈʂʰɔː]
Hye zhe kā hi chô

[çe tʂʰɑɾ ɲe tsʰoː çioː]
Hye char nye tsō hiō

foxcatdog · Post by **foxcatdog** » Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:40 pm

[he sʲoː ʈʂʰɑ: ɲi tʰioː]
He siō chā ni tiō

[he ʎ̝̊e kʰɑ: sʲi ʈʂʰɔː]
He zhe kā si chô

[he tʂʰɑɾ ɲe tsʰoː sʲoː]
He char nye tsō siō

*ç > *h except before *i where it becomes palatised *sʲ with the *i being lost before another vowel.

Very drastic coming from this through it has probably been around 8000+ years more than the time between the poem and the proto language it descends from.
[na lý sɛ́r ku.tí tsý]
[na kú kɛ́r.ju mí sɔ̃́n]
[o vý.tá vu tɔ́ ný]

Also time to come up with another word Rounin Ryuuji.

Rounin Ryuuji · Post by **Rounin Ryuuji** » Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:56 pm

foxcatdog wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:40 pm Also time to come up with another word Rounin Ryuuji.

foxcatdog · Post by **foxcatdog** » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:03 pm

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:56 pm
foxcatdog wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:40 pm Also time to come up with another word Rounin Ryuuji.
As you wish. Have one of mine — strangely no palatals involved.

鳷・がでおい゙ | gadeul | /gà.dø̂ːl/ | [(^ŋ)gɐ̞̀.(^n̪)d̪ø̞̂ᵝːɫ]
(n.) (def. 鳷て・がでおい゙て, gadeutte | /gà.dǿt.tè/ | [(^ŋ)gɐ̞̀.(^n̪)d̪ǿ̞ᵝt̪.t̪ʰè̞]) "cardnal (bird)"

The speakers find themselves on an unfamiliar chain of three islands to the west. They quickly settle the 3 islands but the first change to the word (which now refers to the patron goddess of the islands as opposed to the masculine sea god) affects the whole chain namely frontness harmony.

[(^ŋ)gɛ̀.(^n̪)d̪ø̞̂ᵝːɫ]
[(^ŋ)gɛ̀.(^n̪)d̪ǿ̞ᵝt̪.t̪ʰè̞]
geadeul
geadeutte

Rounin Ryuuji · Post by **Rounin Ryuuji** » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:13 pm

foxcatdog wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:03 pm The speakers find themselves on an unfamiliar chain of three islands to the west. They quickly settle the 3 islands but the first change to the word (which now refers to the patron goddess of the islands as opposed to the masculine sea god) affects the whole chain namely frontness harmony.

I'm amused by how this makes absolutely no sense in the setting of the language. Also, why would the name for a species of bird suddenly become the name of a male sea god (ignoring that the attached culture has no pantheon, either presently worshipped or historically)? I really want to know how this happened.

foxcatdog · Post by **foxcatdog** » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:19 pm

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:13 pm
foxcatdog wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:03 pm The speakers find themselves on an unfamiliar chain of three islands to the west. They quickly settle the 3 islands but the first change to the word (which now refers to the patron goddess of the islands as opposed to the masculine sea god) affects the whole chain namely frontness harmony.
I'm amused by how this makes absolutely no sense in the setting of the language. Also, why would the name for a species of bird suddenly become the name of a male sea god (ignoring that the attached culture has no pantheon, either presently worshipped or historically)? I really want to know how this happened.

Cardinal Bird as in the chinese legendary bird or some foreign species of bird i have never heard off? Also why wouldn't a female bird goddess take her name from an important bird. And you seem to have missed the part about the the sea god is in opposition to the bird. Also they got teleported to a new land.

Rounin Ryuuji · Post by **Rounin Ryuuji** » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:03 pm

foxcatdog wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:19 pm Cardinal Bird as in the chinese legendary bird or some foreign species of bird i have never heard off?

It's just a normal bird, of no particular cultural significance other than that it is a rather pretty one. The people who speak the language do not consider it in any way particularly magical or special, though they might keep art or photographs depicting it because they like looking at them. The etymology is also rather dull — the word is just an originally dialectal contraction of a longer form, standard akadoel, dialectal akadeul, meaning "red bird".

...missed the part about the the sea god is in opposition to the bird.

I would normally interpret "as opposed to" in that context as the name belonging to the goddess instead of the sea god, to which it had belonged before, whence the confusion. It sounded, when I read that, like the name had been transposed from a masculine sea god to a feminine bird goddess.

Anyway, we can ignore the odd story aside and get back to the topic; Prenasalisation strengthens:

Indefinite: 鳷・がでおい゙ | geadeul | [^ŋgɛ̀.^n̪d̪ø̞̂ᵝːɫ]
Definite: 鳷て・がでおい゙て | gadeutte | [^ŋgɛ̀.^n̪d̪ǿ̞ᵝt̪.t̪ʰè̞]

foxcatdog · Post by **foxcatdog** » Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:19 pm

North Island
*d > *l in between vowels even when prenasalised
Indefinite: 鳷・がでおい゙ | gealeul | [^ŋgɛ̀.lø̞̂ᵝːɫ]
Definite: 鳷て・がでおい゙て | gealeutte | [^ŋgɛ̀.lǿ̞ᵝt̪.t̪ʰè̞]

East Island
Prenasalisation becomes realised as geminate nasals except before or after a stressed vowel. These subsequently shorten in initial position
Indefinite: 鳷・がでおい゙ | geadeul | [nɛ̀.^n̪d̪ø̞̂ᵝːɫ]
Definite: 鳷て・がでおい゙て | geadeutte | [ngɛ̀.^n̪d̪ǿ̞ᵝt̪.t̪ʰè̞]

South Island
*g fricates and loses prenasalisation
Indefinite: 鳷・がでおい゙ | gheadeul | [ɣɛ̀.^n̪d̪ø̞̂ᵝːɫ]
Definite: 鳷て・がでおい゙て | gheadeutte | [ɣɛ̀.^n̪d̪ǿ̞ᵝt̪.t̪ʰè̞]

Rounin Ryuuji · Post by **Rounin Ryuuji** » Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:59 am

foxcatdog · Post by **foxcatdog** » Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:13 am

Rounin Ryuuji · Post by **Rounin Ryuuji** » Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:48 am

Zju · Post by **Zju** » Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:04 pm

Rounin Ryuuji · Post by **Rounin Ryuuji** » Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:32 pm

Zju · Post by **Zju** » Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:13 pm

Rounin Ryuuji · Post by **Rounin Ryuuji** » Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:48 pm

foxcatdog · Post by **foxcatdog** » Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:07 pm

Rounin Ryuuji · Post by **Rounin Ryuuji** » Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:17 pm

foxcatdog · Post by **foxcatdog** » Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:59 pm

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:17 pm The alternate future that never was is of the Imishimic branch East Tinasan is... interesting.

Edit: It also has an extremely conservative orthography.

Not gonna learn japanese transliterations for a word game.

Rounin Ryuuji · Post by **Rounin Ryuuji** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:58 am

foxcatdog wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:59 pm
Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:17 pm The alternate future that never was is of the Imishimic branch East Tinasan is... interesting.

Edit: It also has an extremely conservative orthography.
Not gonna learn japanese transliterations for a word game.

I also haven't updated it.

Zju · Post by **Zju** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:13 pm

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