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Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:21 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
This must be so far into the future I haven't projected what "proper" Imishimé would sound like at this stage, but probably (if I had to guess), like [ɣɐ̞̀.ʑŷᵝːj].
Speaking of which, let's have all these languages reborrow it!
Global shift to inherited words using Tesséki (Hiragana) spellings, and classical reborrowings using Amézéki (Kanji) spellings:
Language 1-A: [ç] > [ɕ]:
Indefinite: しゃあや゙いゔ | shâléil | [ɕâ.lê̞ᵝːv]
Definite: しゃや゙と | shâlét | [ɕâ.lé̞ᵝt̪ʰ]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajûil | [ɣà.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajucchi | [ɣà.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]
Language 1-A2: [ɣ f] merge to [x] in contact with back vowels, or [ç] in contact with front vowels
Indefinite: にぇへや゙いご | nheiléigh | [ɲê̞ᵝː.lê̞ːç]
Definite: にぇへや゙っと | nheilétt | [ɲê̞ᵝː.lé̞t̪ʰ]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | ghajûil | [xɐ̞̀.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | ghajucchi | [xɐ̞̀.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]
Language 1-B: Vowel affecton
Indefinite: ぎょゆ゙うを | gyolûwo | [ɲɟòᵝ.ɫɯ̂woᵝ]
Definite: ぎょゆ゙っとぅ | gyolutto | [ɲɟòᵝ.ɫɯ́t̪:ʰoᵝ]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | geujûil | [ɣø̀ᵝ.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | geujucchi | [ɣø̀ᵝ.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]
Language 2-A1: Semivowel fortition with subsequent voicing assimilation:
Indefinite: あぼねぢ | abnej | [àb.n̪ê̞ʑ]
Definite: あぼねしと | abnesht | [àb.n̪ê̞ɕt̪ʰ]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajûj | [ɣà.ʑŷᵝːʑ]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajucchi | [ɣà.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]
Language 2-A2: Front vowels deround:
Indefinite: あごねい | aghnei | [àː.n̪ê̞ː]
Definite: あごねそ | aghnes | [àː.n̪é̞s̪]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajîl | [ɣà.ʑîᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajicchi | [ɣà.ʑíc.cɕì]
Language 2-B: As above
Indefinite: はにぇい | hanyei | [hà.n̪jê̞ᵝː]
Definite: はにぇいそ | hanyeis | [hà.n̪jê̞ᵝːs]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajîl | [ɣà.ʑîᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajicchi | [ɣà.ʑíc.cɕì]
Language 3-A: Loss of reduced vowels
Indefinite: じひい゙ | jîl | [ʑiːlʲ]
Definite: じっと | jitt | [ʑit̪ʰː]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gjûil | [ɣʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gjucch | [ɣʑýᵝcɕː]
Language 3-B: Loss of posttonic short vowels.
Indefinite: えいじい゙ | êjl | [e̞ːʑlʲ]
Definite: えいそ | êss | [e̞ːsː]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajûil | [ɣà.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajucch | [ɣà.ʑýᵝcɕː]
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:25 pm
by foxcatdog
Language 1-A: [ç] > [ɕ]:
Indefinite: しゃあや゙いゔ | shâléil | [ɕâ.ʎê̞ᵝːv]
Definite: しゃや゙と | shâlét | [ɕâ.ʎé̞ᵝt̪ʰ]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajûil | [ɣà.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajucchi | [ɣà.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]
Language 1-A2: Final *t fricates but this time ending up as an affricate
Indefinite: にぇへや゙いご | nheiléigh | [ɲê̞ᵝː.lê̞ːç]
Definite: にぇへや゙っと | nheilétt | [ɲê̞ᵝː.lé̞ts]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | ghajûil | [xɐ̞̀.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | ghajucchi | [xɐ̞̀.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]
Language 1-B1: *w lost umlauting certai vowels
Indefinite: ぎょゆ゙うを | gyolûwo | [ɲɟòᵝ.ɫû.oᵝ]
Definite: ぎょゆ゙っとぅ | gyolutto | [ɲɟòᵝ.ɫɯ́t̪:ʰoᵝ]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | geujûil | [ɣø̀ᵝ.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | geujucchi | [ɣø̀ᵝ.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]
Language 1-B2: Geminate *t Frication
Indefinite: ぎょゆ゙うを | gyolûwo | [ɲɟòᵝ.ɫɯ̂woᵝ]
Definite: ぎょゆ゙っとぅ | gyolutto | [ɲɟòᵝ.ɫɯ́s:ʰoᵝ]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | geujûil | [ɣø̀ᵝ.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | geujucchi | [ɣø̀ᵝ.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]
Language 2-A1: *cɕ > *s:
Indefinite: あぼねぢ | abnej | [àb.n̪ê̞ʑ]
Definite: あぼねしと | abnesht | [àb.n̪ê̞ɕt̪ʰ]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajûj | [ɣà.ʑŷᵝːʑ]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajucchi | [ɣà.ʑýᵝc.s:ì]
Language 2-A2: *ɣ > *g
Indefinite: あごねい | aghnei | [àː.n̪ê̞ː]
Definite: あごねそ | aghnes | [àː.n̪é̞s̪]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajîl | [gà.ʑîᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajicchi | [gà.ʑíc.cɕì]
Language 2-B: *h lost and velar fricatives take its place
Indefinite: はにぇい | hanyei | [à.n̪jê̞ᵝː]
Definite: はにぇいそ | hanyeis | [à.n̪jê̞ᵝːs]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajîl | [hà.ʑîᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajicchi | [hà.ʑíc.cɕì]
Language 3-A: Gemiate *t frication also takes place but more sequences are fricated
Indefinite: じひい゙ | jîl | [ʑiːlʲ]
Definite: じっと | jitt | [ʑisː]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gjûil | [ɣʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gjucch | [ɣʑýᵝsː]
Language 3-B: Sibilant weakening
Indefinite: えいじい゙ | êjl | [e̞ːʝlʲ]
Definite: えいそ | êss | [e̞ːsː]
Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajûil | [ɣà.ʝŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajucch | [ɣà.ʝýᵝcɕː]
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:03 pm
by Zju
New word:
[ˈpʰɔsɪti]
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 4:46 pm
by Travis B.
Northern dialect:
[ˈpfɔsɪti]
Southern dialect:
[ˈpʰɔzɪti]
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 4:52 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Northern dialect: [s t] > [ɕ cɕ] before high front vowels:
[ˈpfɔ.ɕɪ.cɕi]
Poŝiĉi
Southern Dialect: Rhotacism:
[ˈpʰɔ.ʁɪ.ti]
Poṙiti
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:30 pm
by Travis B.
Northern dialect: [ɕ cɕ] > [ʃ ɕ]
[ˈpfɔ.ʃɪ.ɕi]
Pošiśi
Southern Dialect: Vowel lengthening in stressed open syllables.
[ˈpʰɔː.ʁɪ.ti]
Poṙiti
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:34 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Northern dialect: Vowels lengthening spreads:
[ˈpfɔː.ʃɪ.ɕi]
Pōšyśi
Southern Dialect: Long-vowel raising:
[ˈpʰoː.ʁɪ.ti]
Pōṙyti
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:36 pm
by foxcatdog
Northwestern dialect: Palatals backed
[ˈpfɔː.ɕɪ.xi]
Pōśyxi
Northeastern dialect: Palatals fronted
[ˈpfɔː.sɪ.ʃi]
Pōsyši
Southern Dialect: *ʁ > *g
[ˈpʰoː.gɪ.ti]
Pōgyti
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:40 pm
by Travis B.
Northwestern dialect: Initial [pf] > [f]
[ˈfɔː.ɕɪ.xi]
Pōśyxi
Northeastern dialect: Unstressed [ɪ] > [ə]
[ˈpfɔː.sə.ʃi]
Pōsyši
Southern Dialect: [ɪ] > [ɯ] after dorsal consonants
[ˈpʰoː.gɯ.ti]
Pōgyti
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:48 pm
by foxcatdog
Northwestern A dialect: *x > *k
[ˈfɔː.ɕɪ.ki]
Pōśyki
Northwestern B dialect: *x > *ç before front vowels
[ˈfɔː.ɕɪ.çi]
Pōśyxi
Northeastern A dialect: *s > *ts under influence of the other affricate
[ˈpfɔː.tsə.ʃi]
Pōtsyši
Northeastern B dialect: No change
[ˈpfɔː.sə.ʃi]
Pōsyši
Southern Dialect:Final *i lost palatising the previous consonant
[ˈpʰoː.gɯ.tʲ]
Pōgyti
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:56 pm
by Travis B.
Northwestern A dialect: [ɕ] > [ʂ]
[ˈfɔː.ʂɪ.ki]
Fōšyki
Northwestern B dialect: No change (simply corrected missed change)
[ˈfɔː.ɕɪ.çi]
Fōśyxi
Northeastern A dialect: [pf] > [f] under northwestern influence
[ˈfɔː.tsə.ʃi]
Fōtsyši
Northeastern B dialect: [ɔː] > [oː]
[ˈpfoː.sə.ʃi]
Pōsyši
Southern Dialect: [oː] > [uo]
[ˈpʰuo.gɯ.tʲ]
Pōgyti
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 6:02 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Orthographic reforms: printing is introduced, however the characters are introduced from Late Mediaeval Germany, and the charactersets available are limited based on this (German orthographic tendencies also simply become common):
Northwestern A: [ɔː] > [yɛ]
[ˈfyɛ.ɕɪ.ki]
Füeschycki
Northwestern B: The same shift spreads from Northwestern-A
[ˈfyɛ.ɕɪ.xi]
Füeszyhi
Northeastern A: [ɔː] > [ɔʊ]
[ˈpfɔʊ.tsə.ʃi]
Pfauzeschi
Northeastern B: As above
[ˈpfɔʊ.sə.ʃi]
Pfauseschi
Northeastern C: [ɔː] > [yɛ], under influence from Northeastern A and B:
[ˈpfyɛ.sə.ʃi]
Pfüesëschi
Southern: [tʲ] > [s]
[ˈpʰoː.gɯs]
Pogyss
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 6:24 pm
by foxcatdog
Gonna incorporate both your changes into a post
Northwestern A dialect:
[ˈfyɛ.ʂɪ.ki]
Füeschycki
Northwestern B dialect:
[ˈfyɛ.ɕɪ.çi]
Füeszyhi
Northeastern A dialect:
[ˈfɔʊ.tsə.ʃi]
Fauzeschi
Northeastern B1 dialect:
[ˈpfoʊ.sə.ʃi]
Pfauseschi
Northeastern B2 dialect:
[ˈpfyɛ.sə.ʃi]
Pfüesëschi
Southern Dialect:
[ˈpʰuo.gɯ.s]
Pogyss
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 6:35 pm
by foxcatdog
Northwestern A dialect: *k > *ts before *i
[ˈfyɛ.ʂɪ.tsi]
Füeschycci
Northwestern B dialect: Final *i > *e
[ˈfyɛ.ɕɪ.çe]
Füeszyhie
Northeastern A dialect: Final *i > *aj
[ˈfɔʊ.tsə.ʃaj]
Fauzeschi
Northeastern B1 dialect: *pf > *p
[ˈpoʊ.sə.ʃi]
Pauseschie
Northeastern B2 dialect: Final *i > *e
[ˈpfyɛ.sə.ʃe]
Pfüesëschie
Southern Dialect: *g fortition
[ˈpʰuo.kɯ.s]
Pogyss
Far Southern Dialect: *g > *y
[ˈpʰuo.yɯ.s]
Pogyss
I wonder how a full language evolution game would go
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 7:34 pm
by Travis B.
Northwestern A dialect: No change.
[ˈfyɛ.ʂɪ.tsi]
Füeschycci
Northwestern B dialect: [ɪ] > [i]
[ˈfyɛ.ɕi.çe]
Füeszyhie
Northeastern A dialect: [oʊ] > [ɑo]
[ˈfɑo.tsə.ʃaj]
Fauzeschi
Northeastern B1 dialect: [oʊ] > [ɑo]
[ˈpɑo.sə.ʃi]
Pauseschie
Northeastern B2 dialect: Final [e] > [ə]
[ˈpfyɛ.sə.ʃə]
Pfüesëschë
Southern Dialect: Final [s] > [h]
[ˈpʰuo.kɯh]
Pogyss
Far Southern Dialect: [y] > [j]
[ˈpʰuo.jɯ.s]
Pogyss
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 7:47 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Globally — the German colonial administration of wherever this is provides printing blocks for ß, and orders spelling updates to include it and other reforms to match the spelling used "At Home".
Northwestern A: [yɛ] > [øː]
[ˈføː.ʂɪ.tsi]
Föschycci
Northwestern B: As above
[ˈføː.ɕi.çe]
Föszihje
Northeastern A: Disaffrication
[ˈfɑo.sə.ʃaj]
Faußeschai
Northeastern B1: [ə] > [e]
[ˈpɑo.sə.ʃi]
Paußeschie
Northeastern B2: Loss of medial schwa:
[ˈpfyɛs.ʃə]
Pfües'sche
Southern: Terminal [h] fortifies to [x]
[ˈpʰuo.kɯh]
Puogych
Far Southern Dialect: [y] > [j]
[ˈpʰuo.jɯ.s]
Puojyß
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:07 pm
by foxcatdog
Revoiutionaries engage in a 30 year long civil war to destroy all established order, which they lose but manage to takeover a few of germanies colonies. As such they begin reforms one of which is to start using vowel letters as consonants and consonant letters as vowels. The people are for some reason okay with this.
Northwestern A: *ʂ > *sr
[ˈføː.srɪ.tsi]
aoinmaaieausoaiaait
Northwestern B: Palatals fricatives lenite
[ˈføː.ɕi.je]
aoinmaéiteéun
Northeastern A: Medial schwas lost
[ˈfɑo.s.ʃaj]
Faußeschai
Northeastern B1: Metaphony
[ˈpɑu.si.ʃi]
ooirhpaaitaeit
Northeastern B2: Loss of final schwas with compensatory lenghthening of vowels
[ˈpfyɛ:sʃ]
Pfües'sche
Central Southern: Chain shift in stop voicing
[ˈpuo.gɯh]
Puogych
Southern: *ɯ merges with *i
[ˈpʰuo.kih]
Puogych
Far Southern Dialect: Glides lost with compensatory lenghtening
[ˈpʰuo:.ɯs]
Puojyß
Revolutionary Southern Dialect: Final *s > *tʰ
[ˈpʰuo.jɯtʰ]
ouapmitoia
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:14 am
by Rounin Ryuuji
After another year, the revolutionaries end up starved out, and Germany retakes its colonies; the natives are little bothered by this, and accept a return to Germanesque orthography.
Northwestern A: [ts] > [tʃ] before high front vowels:
[ˈføː.srɪ.tsi]
Föhsrytschi
Northwestern B: [ije] collapses to [iː]
[ˈføː.ɕi.je]
Föhschieh
Northeastern A: [f] > [h]
[ˈhɑos.ʃaj]
Haußeschai
Northeastern B1: [s] > [ʃ] before [i]
[ˈpɑu.ʃi.ʃi]
Pauschischi
Terminal [ʃ] lost after [s]
[ˈpfyɛ:sʃ]
Pfüeß
Central Southern: Non-initial [g h] > [x]
[ˈpuo.xɯx]
Puochuch
Southern: Terminal [h] > [ç] after front vowels
[ˈpʰuo.kiç]
Puogych
Far Southern: Hiatus resolution:
[ˈpʰuo:.ɯs]
Puohyß
Revolutionary Southern: [uo] > [uː]
[ˈpʰuo.jɯtʰ]
Puujut
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:09 am
by foxcatdog
Northwestern A: [ts] > [tʃ] before high front vowels:
[ˈføː.srɪ.tʃi]
Föhsrytschi
Northwestern B: [ije] collapses to [iː]
[ˈføː.ɕi:]
Föhschieh
Northeastern A: [f] > [h]
[ˈhɑos.ʃaj]
Haußeschai
Northeastern B1: [s] > [ʃ] before [i]
[ˈpɑu.ʃi.ʃi]
Pauschischi
Terminal [ʃ] lost after [s]
[ˈpfyɛ:s]
Pfüeß
Central Southern: Non-initial [g h] > [x]
[ˈpuo.xɯx]
Puochuch
Southern: Terminal [h] > [ç] after front vowels
[ˈpʰuo.kiç]
Puogych
Far Southern: Hiatus resolution:
[ˈpʰuo::s]
Puohyß
Revolutionary Southern: [uo] > [uː]
[ˈpʰu:.jɯtʰ]
Puujut
You didn't apply half of these.
(Edit) nevermind applied them through i don't know how the hiatus resolution would have resolved
Re: Word evolution game
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:56 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Northwestern A: metathesis
[ˈføː.sɪr.tʃi]
Föhsirtschi
Northwestern B: [øː] > [yː] in syllables preceding high vowels and [j]:
[ˈfyː.ɕi:]
Fühschieh
Northeastern A: Diphthongs to long monophthongs
[ˈhoːs.ʃeː]
Hoßschee
Northeastern B1: As above
[ˈpoː.ʃi.ʃi]
Poschischi
Northeastern B2: Deaffrication
[fyɛ:s]
Füeß
Central Southern: [uo] > [oː]
[ˈpoː.xɯx]
Pochuch
Southern: As above
[ˈpʰoː.kiç]
Pogych
Far Southern: Nonsyllabic [u] > [v]:
[ˈpʰvo::s]
Pwohoß
Revolutionary Southern: [u uː] > [y yː] in contact with [i j]
[ˈpʰy:.jytʰ]
Püjütt