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Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:21 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
This must be so far into the future I haven't projected what "proper" Imishimé would sound like at this stage, but probably (if I had to guess), like [ɣɐ̞̀.ʑŷᵝːj].

Speaking of which, let's have all these languages reborrow it!

Global shift to inherited words using Tesséki (Hiragana) spellings, and classical reborrowings using Amézéki (Kanji) spellings:

Language 1-A: [ç] > [ɕ]:
Indefinite: しゃあや゙いゔ | shâléil | [ɕâ.lê̞ᵝːv]
Definite: しゃや゙と | shâlét | [ɕâ.lé̞ᵝt̪ʰ]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajûil | [ɣà.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajucchi | [ɣà.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]

Language 1-A2: [ɣ f] merge to [x] in contact with back vowels, or [ç] in contact with front vowels
Indefinite: にぇへや゙いご | nheiléigh | [ɲê̞ᵝː.lê̞ːç]
Definite: にぇへや゙っと | nheilétt | [ɲê̞ᵝː.lé̞t̪ʰ]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | ghajûil | [xɐ̞̀.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | ghajucchi | [xɐ̞̀.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]

Language 1-B: Vowel affecton
Indefinite: ぎょゆ゙うを | gyolûwo | [ɲɟòᵝ.ɫɯ̂woᵝ]
Definite: ぎょゆ゙っとぅ | gyolutto | [ɲɟòᵝ.ɫɯ́t̪:ʰoᵝ]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | geujûil | [ɣø̀ᵝ.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | geujucchi | [ɣø̀ᵝ.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]

Language 2-A1: Semivowel fortition with subsequent voicing assimilation:
Indefinite: あぼねぢ | abnej | [àb.n̪ê̞ʑ]
Definite: あぼねしと | abnesht | [àb.n̪ê̞ɕt̪ʰ]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajûj | [ɣà.ʑŷᵝːʑ]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajucchi | [ɣà.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]

Language 2-A2: Front vowels deround:
Indefinite: あごねい | aghnei | [àː.n̪ê̞ː]
Definite: あごねそ | aghnes | [àː.n̪é̞s̪]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajîl | [ɣà.ʑîᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajicchi | [ɣà.ʑíc.cɕì]

Language 2-B: As above
Indefinite: はにぇい | hanyei | [hà.n̪jê̞ᵝː]
Definite: はにぇいそ | hanyeis | [hà.n̪jê̞ᵝːs]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajîl | [ɣà.ʑîᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajicchi | [ɣà.ʑíc.cɕì]

Language 3-A: Loss of reduced vowels
Indefinite: じひい゙ | jîl | [ʑiːlʲ]
Definite: じっと | jitt | [ʑit̪ʰː]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gjûil | [ɣʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gjucch | [ɣʑýᵝcɕː]

Language 3-B: Loss of posttonic short vowels.
Indefinite: えいじい゙ | êjl | [e̞ːʑlʲ]
Definite: えいそ | êss | [e̞ːsː]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajûil | [ɣà.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajucch | [ɣà.ʑýᵝcɕː]

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:25 pm
by foxcatdog
Language 1-A: [ç] > [ɕ]:
Indefinite: しゃあや゙いゔ | shâléil | [ɕâ.ʎê̞ᵝːv]
Definite: しゃや゙と | shâlét | [ɕâ.ʎé̞ᵝt̪ʰ]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajûil | [ɣà.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajucchi | [ɣà.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]

Language 1-A2: Final *t fricates but this time ending up as an affricate
Indefinite: にぇへや゙いご | nheiléigh | [ɲê̞ᵝː.lê̞ːç]
Definite: にぇへや゙っと | nheilétt | [ɲê̞ᵝː.lé̞ts]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | ghajûil | [xɐ̞̀.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | ghajucchi | [xɐ̞̀.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]

Language 1-B1: *w lost umlauting certai vowels
Indefinite: ぎょゆ゙うを | gyolûwo | [ɲɟòᵝ.ɫû.oᵝ]
Definite: ぎょゆ゙っとぅ | gyolutto | [ɲɟòᵝ.ɫɯ́t̪:ʰoᵝ]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | geujûil | [ɣø̀ᵝ.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | geujucchi | [ɣø̀ᵝ.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]

Language 1-B2: Geminate *t Frication
Indefinite: ぎょゆ゙うを | gyolûwo | [ɲɟòᵝ.ɫɯ̂woᵝ]
Definite: ぎょゆ゙っとぅ | gyolutto | [ɲɟòᵝ.ɫɯ́s:ʰoᵝ]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | geujûil | [ɣø̀ᵝ.ʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | geujucchi | [ɣø̀ᵝ.ʑýᵝc.cɕì]

Language 2-A1: *cɕ > *s:
Indefinite: あぼねぢ | abnej | [àb.n̪ê̞ʑ]
Definite: あぼねしと | abnesht | [àb.n̪ê̞ɕt̪ʰ]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajûj | [ɣà.ʑŷᵝːʑ]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajucchi | [ɣà.ʑýᵝc.s:ì]

Language 2-A2: *ɣ > *g
Indefinite: あごねい | aghnei | [àː.n̪ê̞ː]
Definite: あごねそ | aghnes | [àː.n̪é̞s̪]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajîl | [gà.ʑîᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajicchi | [gà.ʑíc.cɕì]

Language 2-B: *h lost and velar fricatives take its place
Indefinite: はにぇい | hanyei | [à.n̪jê̞ᵝː]
Definite: はにぇいそ | hanyeis | [à.n̪jê̞ᵝːs]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajîl | [hà.ʑîᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajicchi | [hà.ʑíc.cɕì]

Language 3-A: Gemiate *t frication also takes place but more sequences are fricated
Indefinite: じひい゙ | jîl | [ʑiːlʲ]
Definite: じっと | jitt | [ʑisː]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gjûil | [ɣʑŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gjucch | [ɣʑýᵝsː]

Language 3-B: Sibilant weakening
Indefinite: えいじい゙ | êjl | [e̞ːʝlʲ]
Definite: えいそ | êss | [e̞ːsː]

Indefinite: 鳷 | がでおい゙ | gajûil | [ɣà.ʝŷᵝːj]
Definite: 鳷ち | がでおい゙ち | gajucch | [ɣà.ʝýᵝcɕː]

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:03 pm
by Zju
New word:

[ˈpʰɔsɪti]

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 4:46 pm
by Travis B.
Northern dialect:

[ˈpfɔsɪti]

Southern dialect:

[ˈpʰɔzɪti]

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 4:52 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Northern dialect: [s t] > [ɕ cɕ] before high front vowels:

[ˈpfɔ.ɕɪ.cɕi]
Poŝiĉi

Southern Dialect: Rhotacism:
[ˈpʰɔ.ʁɪ.ti]
Poṙiti

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:30 pm
by Travis B.
Northern dialect: [ɕ cɕ] > [ʃ ɕ]
[ˈpfɔ.ʃɪ.ɕi]
Pošiśi

Southern Dialect: Vowel lengthening in stressed open syllables.
[ˈpʰɔː.ʁɪ.ti]
Poṙiti

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:34 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Northern dialect: Vowels lengthening spreads:
[ˈpfɔː.ʃɪ.ɕi]
Pōšyśi

Southern Dialect: Long-vowel raising:
[ˈpʰoː.ʁɪ.ti]
Pōṙyti

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:36 pm
by foxcatdog
Northwestern dialect: Palatals backed
[ˈpfɔː.ɕɪ.xi]
Pōśyxi

Northeastern dialect: Palatals fronted
[ˈpfɔː.sɪ.ʃi]
Pōsyši

Southern Dialect: *ʁ > *g
[ˈpʰoː.gɪ.ti]
Pōgyti

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:40 pm
by Travis B.
Northwestern dialect: Initial [pf] > [f]
[ˈfɔː.ɕɪ.xi]
Pōśyxi

Northeastern dialect: Unstressed [ɪ] > [ə]
[ˈpfɔː.sə.ʃi]
Pōsyši

Southern Dialect: [ɪ] > [ɯ] after dorsal consonants
[ˈpʰoː.gɯ.ti]
Pōgyti

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:48 pm
by foxcatdog
Northwestern A dialect: *x > *k
[ˈfɔː.ɕɪ.ki]
Pōśyki

Northwestern B dialect: *x > *ç before front vowels
[ˈfɔː.ɕɪ.çi]
Pōśyxi

Northeastern A dialect: *s > *ts under influence of the other affricate
[ˈpfɔː.tsə.ʃi]
Pōtsyši

Northeastern B dialect: No change
[ˈpfɔː.sə.ʃi]
Pōsyši

Southern Dialect:Final *i lost palatising the previous consonant
[ˈpʰoː.gɯ.tʲ]
Pōgyti

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:56 pm
by Travis B.
Northwestern A dialect: [ɕ] > [ʂ]
[ˈfɔː.ʂɪ.ki]
Fōšyki

Northwestern B dialect: No change (simply corrected missed change)
[ˈfɔː.ɕɪ.çi]
Fōśyxi

Northeastern A dialect: [pf] > [f] under northwestern influence
[ˈfɔː.tsə.ʃi]
Fōtsyši

Northeastern B dialect: [ɔː] > [oː]
[ˈpfoː.sə.ʃi]
Pōsyši

Southern Dialect: [oː] > [uo]
[ˈpʰuo.gɯ.tʲ]
Pōgyti

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 6:02 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Orthographic reforms: printing is introduced, however the characters are introduced from Late Mediaeval Germany, and the charactersets available are limited based on this (German orthographic tendencies also simply become common):

Northwestern A: [ɔː] > [yɛ]
[ˈfyɛ.ɕɪ.ki]
Füeschycki

Northwestern B: The same shift spreads from Northwestern-A
[ˈfyɛ.ɕɪ.xi]
Füeszyhi

Northeastern A: [ɔː] > [ɔʊ]
[ˈpfɔʊ.tsə.ʃi]
Pfauzeschi

Northeastern B: As above
[ˈpfɔʊ.sə.ʃi]
Pfauseschi

Northeastern C: [ɔː] > [yɛ], under influence from Northeastern A and B:
[ˈpfyɛ.sə.ʃi]
Pfüesëschi

Southern: [tʲ] > [s]
[ˈpʰoː.gɯs]
Pogyss

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 6:24 pm
by foxcatdog
Gonna incorporate both your changes into a post
Northwestern A dialect:
[ˈfyɛ.ʂɪ.ki]
Füeschycki

Northwestern B dialect:
[ˈfyɛ.ɕɪ.çi]
Füeszyhi

Northeastern A dialect:
[ˈfɔʊ.tsə.ʃi]
Fauzeschi

Northeastern B1 dialect:
[ˈpfoʊ.sə.ʃi]
Pfauseschi

Northeastern B2 dialect:
[ˈpfyɛ.sə.ʃi]
Pfüesëschi

Southern Dialect:
[ˈpʰuo.gɯ.s]
Pogyss

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 6:35 pm
by foxcatdog
Northwestern A dialect: *k > *ts before *i
[ˈfyɛ.ʂɪ.tsi]
Füeschycci

Northwestern B dialect: Final *i > *e
[ˈfyɛ.ɕɪ.çe]
Füeszyhie

Northeastern A dialect: Final *i > *aj
[ˈfɔʊ.tsə.ʃaj]
Fauzeschi

Northeastern B1 dialect: *pf > *p
[ˈpoʊ.sə.ʃi]
Pauseschie

Northeastern B2 dialect: Final *i > *e
[ˈpfyɛ.sə.ʃe]
Pfüesëschie

Southern Dialect: *g fortition
[ˈpʰuo.kɯ.s]
Pogyss

Far Southern Dialect: *g > *y
[ˈpʰuo.yɯ.s]
Pogyss

I wonder how a full language evolution game would go

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 7:34 pm
by Travis B.
Northwestern A dialect: No change.
[ˈfyɛ.ʂɪ.tsi]
Füeschycci

Northwestern B dialect: [ɪ] > [i]
[ˈfyɛ.ɕi.çe]
Füeszyhie

Northeastern A dialect: [oʊ] > [ɑo]
[ˈfɑo.tsə.ʃaj]
Fauzeschi

Northeastern B1 dialect: [oʊ] > [ɑo]
[ˈpɑo.sə.ʃi]
Pauseschie

Northeastern B2 dialect: Final [e] > [ə]
[ˈpfyɛ.sə.ʃə]
Pfüesëschë

Southern Dialect: Final [s] > [h]
[ˈpʰuo.kɯh]
Pogyss

Far Southern Dialect: [y] > [j]
[ˈpʰuo.jɯ.s]
Pogyss

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 7:47 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Globally — the German colonial administration of wherever this is provides printing blocks for ß, and orders spelling updates to include it and other reforms to match the spelling used "At Home".

Northwestern A: [yɛ] > [øː]
[ˈføː.ʂɪ.tsi]
Föschycci

Northwestern B: As above
[ˈføː.ɕi.çe]
Föszihje

Northeastern A: Disaffrication
[ˈfɑo.sə.ʃaj]
Faußeschai

Northeastern B1: [ə] > [e]
[ˈpɑo.sə.ʃi]
Paußeschie

Northeastern B2: Loss of medial schwa:
[ˈpfyɛs.ʃə]
Pfües'sche

Southern: Terminal [h] fortifies to [x]
[ˈpʰuo.kɯh]
Puogych

Far Southern Dialect: [y] > [j]
[ˈpʰuo.jɯ.s]
Puojyß

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:07 pm
by foxcatdog
Revoiutionaries engage in a 30 year long civil war to destroy all established order, which they lose but manage to takeover a few of germanies colonies. As such they begin reforms one of which is to start using vowel letters as consonants and consonant letters as vowels. The people are for some reason okay with this.

Northwestern A: *ʂ > *sr
[ˈføː.srɪ.tsi]
aoinmaaieausoaiaait

Northwestern B: Palatals fricatives lenite
[ˈføː.ɕi.je]
aoinmaéiteéun

Northeastern A: Medial schwas lost
[ˈfɑo.s.ʃaj]
Faußeschai

Northeastern B1: Metaphony
[ˈpɑu.si.ʃi]
ooirhpaaitaeit

Northeastern B2: Loss of final schwas with compensatory lenghthening of vowels
[ˈpfyɛ:sʃ]
Pfües'sche

Central Southern: Chain shift in stop voicing
[ˈpuo.gɯh]
Puogych

Southern: *ɯ merges with *i
[ˈpʰuo.kih]
Puogych

Far Southern Dialect: Glides lost with compensatory lenghtening
[ˈpʰuo:.ɯs]
Puojyß

Revolutionary Southern Dialect: Final *s > *tʰ
[ˈpʰuo.jɯtʰ]
ouapmitoia

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:14 am
by Rounin Ryuuji
After another year, the revolutionaries end up starved out, and Germany retakes its colonies; the natives are little bothered by this, and accept a return to Germanesque orthography.

Northwestern A: [ts] > [tʃ] before high front vowels:
[ˈføː.srɪ.tsi]
Föhsrytschi

Northwestern B: [ije] collapses to [iː]
[ˈføː.ɕi.je]
Föhschieh

Northeastern A: [f] > [h]
[ˈhɑos.ʃaj]
Haußeschai

Northeastern B1: [s] > [ʃ] before [i]
[ˈpɑu.ʃi.ʃi]
Pauschischi

Terminal [ʃ] lost after [s]
[ˈpfyɛ:sʃ]
Pfüeß

Central Southern: Non-initial [g h] > [x]
[ˈpuo.xɯx]
Puochuch

Southern: Terminal [h] > [ç] after front vowels
[ˈpʰuo.kiç]
Puogych

Far Southern: Hiatus resolution:
[ˈpʰuo:.ɯs]
Puohyß

Revolutionary Southern: [uo] > [uː]
[ˈpʰuo.jɯtʰ]
Puujut

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:09 am
by foxcatdog
Northwestern A: [ts] > [tʃ] before high front vowels:
[ˈføː.srɪ.tʃi]
Föhsrytschi

Northwestern B: [ije] collapses to [iː]
[ˈføː.ɕi:]
Föhschieh

Northeastern A: [f] > [h]
[ˈhɑos.ʃaj]
Haußeschai

Northeastern B1: [s] > [ʃ] before [i]
[ˈpɑu.ʃi.ʃi]
Pauschischi

Terminal [ʃ] lost after [s]
[ˈpfyɛ:s]
Pfüeß

Central Southern: Non-initial [g h] > [x]
[ˈpuo.xɯx]
Puochuch

Southern: Terminal [h] > [ç] after front vowels
[ˈpʰuo.kiç]
Puogych

Far Southern: Hiatus resolution:
[ˈpʰuo::s]
Puohyß

Revolutionary Southern: [uo] > [uː]
[ˈpʰu:.jɯtʰ]
Puujut

You didn't apply half of these.
(Edit) nevermind applied them through i don't know how the hiatus resolution would have resolved

Re: Word evolution game

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:56 pm
by Rounin Ryuuji
Northwestern A: metathesis
[ˈføː.sɪr.tʃi]
Föhsirtschi

Northwestern B: [øː] > [yː] in syllables preceding high vowels and [j]:
[ˈfyː.ɕi:]
Fühschieh

Northeastern A: Diphthongs to long monophthongs
[ˈhoːs.ʃeː]
Hoßschee

Northeastern B1: As above
[ˈpoː.ʃi.ʃi]
Poschischi

Northeastern B2: Deaffrication
[fyɛ:s]
Füeß

Central Southern: [uo] > [oː]
[ˈpoː.xɯx]
Pochuch

Southern: As above
[ˈpʰoː.kiç]
Pogych

Far Southern: Nonsyllabic [u] > [v]:
[ˈpʰvo::s]
Pwohoß

Revolutionary Southern: [u uː] > [y yː] in contact with [i j]
[ˈpʰy:.jytʰ]
Püjütt