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Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Wed May 28, 2025 4:43 am
by Lērisama
/m n ŋ ɴ/ ⟨m n ŋ ň⟩
/p t k q ʔ/ ⟨p t k q ‘⟩
/p' t' k' q'/ ⟨p‘ t‘ k‘ q‘⟩
/ᵐb ⁿd ᵑg ᶰɢ/ ⟨mp nt ŋk ňq⟩¹
/s t͡s k͡x h/ ⟨s c x h⟩
/ɾ l w/ ⟨r l w⟩

/i ɨ ɯ u e ɤ o a/ ⟨ei i u ou e ao o a⟩
/iː ɨː ɯː uː eː ɤː oː aː/ ⟨êi î û ôu ê âo ô â⟩

If stress is on neither the first vowel of all vowels are short, or the first long vowel otherwise, then mark the stressed vowel with an acute

/t͡sa ɴa.ˈneː ˈa.q'i ɯ p'oː ɨ ɴoː.ˈte.ᶰɢo ᵐbi/
/poː ɴa.ˈneː ˈa.ʔɯ ɯ t͡sa ˈi.ho ᵐbi/
/ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu/
Ca ňanê aq‘ei u p‘ô i ňôté nqo mpei.
Pô naňê a‘u u ca eiho mpei.
‘Ôpou. ‘Ôpou. ‘Ôpou. ‘Ôpou. ‘Ôpou. ‘Ôpou. ‘Ôpou.


¹ If they contrast with N+/p t k q/, then ⟨mb nd ŋg ňǧ⟩ instead

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Wed May 28, 2025 5:09 am
by ophois
/m n ŋ ɴ/ <m n ñ ç>
/p t k q ʔ/ <p t k q x>
/p' t' k' q'/ <p' t' k' q'>
/ᵐb ⁿd ᵑg ᶰɢ/ <b d g c>
/s t͡s k͡x h/ <s z j h>
/ɾ l w/ <r l w>

/i ɨ ɯ u e ɤ o a/ <i y eu u e eo o a>
/iː ɨː ɯː uː eː ɤː oː aː/ <ii yy eeu uu ee eeo oo aa>

Stress <á...> unless in the first syllable.

/t͡sa ɴa.ˈneː ˈa.q'i ɯ p'oː ɨ ɴoː.ˈte.ᶰɢo ᵐbi/ <Za çanée aq'i eu p'oo y çootéco bi.>
/poː ɴa.ˈneː ˈa.ʔɯ ɯ t͡sa ˈi.ho ᵐbi/ <Poo çanée axeu eu za iho bi.>
/ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu/ <Xoopu. Xoopu. Xoopu. Xoopu. Xoopu. Xoopu. Xoopu.>

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Wed May 28, 2025 11:25 am
by Karch
/m n ŋ ɴ/ <m n ng ngh>
/p t k q ʔ/ <p t k q '>
/p' t' k' q'/ <pb td kg qg>
/ᵐb ⁿd ᵑg ᶰɢ/ <mb nd ngg ngq>
/s t͡s k͡x h/ <s c kh h>
/ɾ l w/ <r l w>

/i ɨ ɯ u e ɤ o a/ <i ï ü u e ö o a>
/iː ɨː ɯː uː eː ɤː oː aː/ <ii ui iu uu ee oe oo aa>

/t͡sa ɴa.ˈneː ˈa.q'i ɯ p'oː ɨ ɴoː.ˈte.ᶰɢo ᵐbi/
/poː ɴa.ˈneː ˈa.ʔɯ ɯ t͡sa ˈi.ho ᵐbi/
/ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu || ˈʔoːpu/

Ca nghanee aqgi ü pboo ï nghootengqo mbi.
Poo nghanee a'ü ü ca iho mbi.
'Oopu.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Wed May 28, 2025 8:24 pm
by ophois
Proto-Neshetic:
/m mʶ n nʶ ŋ/
/p t tʶ t͡ʃ k q/
/b bʶ d dʶ d͡ʒ g/
/f fʶ s sʶ ʃ x h/
/β βʶ ð ðʶ z l lʶ j ʁ/

/i iː u uː/
/ə/
/a aː/

/ae̯ ao̯ əi̯ əu̯/

No sentences but here's some vocab:
/nəʃitʶ bat͡ʃiːq ʁəbu sanʶəu̯ tʶuːsʶae̯s gaːjao̯ lʶəquːd nao̯ŋiða baʃət/

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Wed May 28, 2025 9:28 pm
by /ˌnɐ.ˈɾɛn.dɚ.ˌduːd/
/m mʶ n nʶ ŋ/ <m mr n nr ŋ>
/p t tʶ t͡ʃ k q/ <p t tr c k q>
/b bʶ d dʶ d͡ʒ g/ <b br d dr ʒ g>
/f fʶ s sʶ ʃ x h/ <f fr s sr sh kh h>
/β βʶ ð ðʶ z l lʶ j ʁ/ <v vr þ þr z l lr y r>

/i iː u uː/ <i ī u ū>
/ə/ <e>
/a aː/ <a ā>

/ae̯ ao̯ əi̯ əu̯/ <ae ao ei eu>

/nəʃitʶ bat͡ʃiːq ʁəbu sanʶəu̯ tʶuːsʶae̯s gaːjao̯ lʶəquːd nao̯ŋiða baʃət/

neshitr bacīq rebu sanreu trūsraes gāyao lreqūd naongiþa bashet

edit: removed a part I forgot to earlier

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Thu May 29, 2025 7:07 am
by Lērisama
Proto-Neshetic:
/m mʶ n nʶ ŋ/ ⟨m m̌ n ň ng⟩
/p t tʶ t͡ʃ k q/ ⟨p t ť tx k q⟩
/b bʶ d dʶ d͡ʒ g/ ⟨b b̌ d ď dx g⟩
/f fʶ s sʶ ʃ x h/ ⟨f f̌ s š x ch h⟩
/β βʶ ð ðʶ z l lʶ j ʁ/ ⟨v v̌ r ř z l ľ j y⟩

/i iː u uː/ ⟨i ī u ū⟩
/ə/ ⟨e⟩
/a aː/ ⟨a ā⟩

/ae̯ ao̯ əi̯ əu̯/ ⟨ae ao ei eu⟩

No sentences but here's some vocab:
/nəʃitʶ bat͡ʃiːq ʁəbu sanʶəu̯ tʶuːsʶae̯s gaːjao̯ lʶəquːd nao̯ŋiða baʃət/ ⟨nexiť batxīq yebu saňeu ťūšaes gājao ľeqūd naongira baxet⟩

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Thu May 29, 2025 7:37 am
by bradrn
An all-ASCII one:

/m mʶ n nʶ ŋ/ ⟨m mr n nr w⟩
/p t tʶ t͡ʃ k q/ ⟨p t tr c k q⟩
/b bʶ d dʶ d͡ʒ g/ ⟨b br d dr j g⟩
/f fʶ s sʶ ʃ x h/ ⟨f fr s sr x e h⟩
/β βʶ ð ðʶ z l lʶ j ʁ/ ⟨v vr j jr z l lr y r⟩

/i iː u uː/ ⟨i ii u uu⟩
/ə/ ⟨e⟩
/a aː/ ⟨a aa⟩

/ae̯ ao̯ əi̯ əu̯/ ⟨ae au ei eu⟩

/nəʃitʶ bat͡ʃiːq ʁəbu sanʶəu̯ tʶuːsʶae̯s gaːjao̯ lʶəquːd nao̯ŋiða baʃət/
nexitr baciiq rebu sanreu truusraes gaayau lrequud nauwija baxet

I’m assuming here that /Cʶ/ doesn’t contrast with /Cʁ/. I know ⟨w e⟩ /ŋ x/ is cursed, but the latter at least is hardly worse than Aklanon ⟨e⟩ /ɣ/.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 11:00 am
by Karch
Mongsen as Chungli (as far as I've been able to discern):

/p t ʦ ʧ k ʔ/ <p/b t/d ts/tz j k/g 0>
/pʰ tʰ ʦʰ ʧʰ kʰ/ <ph th ths ch kh>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ <hm hn hng>
/s z h/ <s/sh z h>
/w ɹ l j/ <w r l y>
/w̥ ɹ̥ l̥ j̊/ <hw hr hl hy>

The alveolar fricatives are pronounced as alveo-palatal before the front vowel /i/.

/i u ə a a̰/ <i/e u/o e/ü a a>

The vowel /u/ is often pronounced, and also written, as [o] in the vicinity of velars. /a̰/ is rare and occurs only in five roots, always before /w/.
There are three tones, high, mid and low, which are unmarked, though see below.

/wàzàʔ tə̀luʔ la tsəpàʔ məsəm wa || təɹ | kʰə̀liŋlì, təɹ wàzàʔ təniŋ à li || təɹ kʰə̀liŋlìla tʃu, tsəpàʔ məsəməkə ìnti pʰitʰùŋtʃùku, pa mə̀ɹàlà || tə̀pànə wàzàʔ tə̀luʔ səntəpəɹ | pa tələm ku tsə̀pànə tələm tʃu apaktʃuk || təɹ pa tsəpàʔ ku atsə mə̀tʃəməjùʔ || təɹ pa tsəɹ̥ə̀tʰùŋku tsə́ŋí tʃakə "tsə́ŋí tsə́ŋí" tə̀ asaɹə̀ | atʃu ku pa nə ásátʰùŋku, tsəŋi ɹàɹə̀ || təɹ tsəŋi ɹàpàʔ táŋ tʃu | pa səŋàwà aɹa ku kə̀tpàʔ táŋ tʃəmlítʃəmlíʔ waɹuʔ || tə̀ atʃu táŋúʔ || j̊utsə tʃa atʃu/
/wa̰samali | tʰuku táŋ kəməɹ lili | anukàʔ wà̰sasili | tʰuku táŋ kəməɹ lili tə̀tʃʰaɹ.../

Waza telu la tsüba mesem wa. Ter, khelingli, ter waza tening a li. Ter khelinglila jo, tsüba mesemekü indi phithongjogo, pa merala. Tepanü waza telu senteper, pa telem ko tsübanü telem jo abakjok. Ter pa tsüba ko atsü mejemeyo. Ter pa tsürhüthonggo tsüngi jakü "tsüngi tsüngi" de asarü, ajo ko pa nü asathonggo, tsüngi rarü. Ter tsüngi raba dang jo, pa sengawa ara ko ketba dang jemlijemli waro. De aju dango, yhutsü ja ajo.
Wasamali, thogo dang kemer lili, anoga wasasili, thogo dang kemer lili dejar...


or, if we mark tones as systematically as possible (i.e. low tone = voiced consonant):

Waza delu la tzüba mesem wa. Ter, khelingli, ter waza tening a li. Ter khelinglila jo, tzüba mesemeke inti phithongjoko, pa merala. Debanü waza delu senteper, pa telem ku tzübanü telem ju apakjok, ter ba tsüba ko atsü mejemeyo. Ter pa tsürhüthongko tsüngi jakü "tsüngi tsüngi" de asarü, ajo ko pa nü asathongko, tsüngi rarü. Ter tsüngi raba tang ju, pa sengawa ara ko getba tang jemlijemli waro. De ajo tango, yhutsü ja ajo.
Wasamali, thoko tang kemer lili, anoga wasasili, thoko tang kemer lili dechar...

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:19 pm
by Travis B.
Karch wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 11:00 am Mongsen as Chungli (as far as I've been able to discern):

/p t ʦ ʧ k ʔ/ <p/b t/d ts/tz j k/g 0>
/pʰ tʰ ʦʰ ʧʰ kʰ/ <ph th ths ch kh>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ <hm hn hng>
/s z h/ <s/sh z h>
/w ɹ l j/ <w r l y>
/w̥ ɹ̥ l̥ j̊/ <hw hr hl hy>

The alveolar fricatives are pronounced as alveo-palatal before the front vowel /i/.

/i u ə a a̰/ <i/e u/o e/ü a a>

The vowel /u/ is often pronounced, and also written, as [o] in the vicinity of velars. /a̰/ is rare and occurs only in five roots, always before /w/.
There are three tones, high, mid and low, which are unmarked, though see below.

/wàzàʔ tə̀luʔ la tsəpàʔ məsəm wa || təɹ | kʰə̀liŋlì, təɹ wàzàʔ təniŋ à li || təɹ kʰə̀liŋlìla tʃu, tsəpàʔ məsəməkə ìnti pʰitʰùŋtʃùku, pa mə̀ɹàlà || tə̀pànə wàzàʔ tə̀luʔ səntəpəɹ | pa tələm ku tsə̀pànə tələm tʃu apaktʃuk || təɹ pa tsəpàʔ ku atsə mə̀tʃəməjùʔ || təɹ pa tsəɹ̥ə̀tʰùŋku tsə́ŋí tʃakə "tsə́ŋí tsə́ŋí" tə̀ asaɹə̀ | atʃu ku pa nə ásátʰùŋku, tsəŋi ɹàɹə̀ || təɹ tsəŋi ɹàpàʔ táŋ tʃu | pa səŋàwà aɹa ku kə̀tpàʔ táŋ tʃəmlítʃəmlíʔ waɹuʔ || tə̀ atʃu táŋúʔ || j̊utsə tʃa atʃu/
/wa̰samali | tʰuku táŋ kəməɹ lili | anukàʔ wà̰sasili | tʰuku táŋ kəməɹ lili tə̀tʃʰaɹ.../

Waza telu la tsüba mesem wa. Ter, khelingli, ter waza tening a li. Ter khelinglila jo, tsüba mesemekü indi phithongjogo, pa merala. Tepanü waza telu senteper, pa telem ko tsübanü telem jo abakjok. Ter pa tsüba ko atsü mejemeyo. Ter pa tsürhüthonggo tsüngi jakü "tsüngi tsüngi" de asarü, ajo ko pa nü asathonggo, tsüngi rarü. Ter tsüngi raba dang jo, pa sengawa ara ko ketba dang jemlijemli waro. De aju dango, yhutsü ja ajo.
Wasamali, thogo dang kemer lili, anoga wasasili, thogo dang kemer lili dejar...
What are the allography rules in this version of the orthography?

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 6:11 am
by Nortaneous
/p t ʦ ʧ k ʔ/ <p/b t/d c/z q/j k/g ä/...>
/pʰ tʰ ʦʰ ʧʰ kʰ/ <ph/bh th/dh ch/zh qh/jh kh/gh>
/m n ŋ/ <m n g̈>
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ <mh nh g̈h>
/s z h/ <s/z x h>
/w ɹ l j/ <w r l y>
/w̥ ɹ̥ l̥ j̊/ <wh rh lh yh>
/mp nt.../ <'p/'b 't/'d...>

/i u ə a a̰/ <i u 0/' a a>
/wa̰/ <ẅa>
coda <ṁ...>

Waxä dlü la cbä msṁ wa. Tṙ, ghliġli, tṙ waxä tniġ a li. Tṙ ghliġlila qu, cbä msmk i'ti phidhuġjuku, pa mrala. Dban waxä dluu s'tpṙ, pa tlṁ ku zban tlṁ qu apaḳquḳ. Tṙ pa cbä ku ac mqmyü. Tṙ pa crhdhu'ku cg̈i qak "cg̈i cg̈i" d asar, aqu ku pa n asadhu'ku, cg̈i rar. Tṙ cg̈i rabä taġ qu, pa sg̈awa ara ku gṭbä taġ qṁliqṁlï warü. D aqu tag̈ü. Yhuc qa aqu. Ẅasamali, thuku taġ kmṙ lili, anugä ẅasasili, thuku taġ kmṙ lili dqhaṙ...

or

Waxa' dlo la cba' ms'm wa. T'r, ghli'gli, t'r waxa' tni'g a li. T'r ghli'glila qu, cba' msmk i'nti phidhu'gjuku, pa mrala. Dban waxa' dluu s'ntp'r, pa tl'm ku zban tl'm qu apa'kqu'k. T'r pa cba' ku ac mqmyu'. T'r pa crhdhu'gku "cg'i cg'i" d asar, aqu ku pa n asadhu'gku, cg'i rar. T'r cg'i raba' ta'g qu, pa sg'awa ara ku g'tba' ta'g q'mliq'mli' waru'. D aqu tag'u'. Yhuc qa aqu. W'asamali, thuku ta'g km'r lili, anuga' w'asasili, thuku ta'g km'r lili dqha'r...

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 6:44 am
by Darren
/p t ʦ ʧ k ʔ/ <b d st j g ck>
/pʰ tʰ ʦʰ ʧʰ kʰ/ <p t sk ch k>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ <mp nt nk>
/s z h/ <s z h>
/w ɹ l j/ <w r l y>
/w̥ ɹ̥ l̥ j̊/ <wh sh th sq>


/i u ə a a̰/ <ee/i/ea oo/u/oa ei/e/eu ou/o/oi au/a/ai> (H/M/L)

Woizoick deuluck lo steboick mesem wo. Der, keulinglea, der woizoick tening oi li. Der keulinglealo chu, steboick mesemege eendi pitoongjoogu, bo meuroiloi. Deuboine woizoick deuboine woizoick deuluck sendeber, bo delem gu steuboine delem chu obogjug. Der bo stesheutoonggu steingee joge "steingee steingee" deu osoreu, oju gu bo ne ousoutoanggu, stengi roireu. Der stengi roiboick doung ju, bo sengoiwoi oro gu geudboick doung jemleejemleeck woruck. Deu oju doungoock. Squste jo oju. Wasomoli, tugu doung gemer lili, onugoick waisosili, tugu doung gemer lili deuchor...

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 8:25 am
by Lērisama
Onsets:
/p t ʦ ʧ k (ʔ)¹/ ⟨p t c j k ∅⟩ ⟨b d ds dj g ∅⟩
/pʰ tʰ ʦʰ ʧʰ kʰ/ ⟨ph th ch jh kh⟩ ⟨bh dh dsh djh gh⟩
/m n ŋ/ ⟨m n nk⟩ ⟨mb nd ng⟩
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ ⟨mh nh nkh⟩ ⟨mbh ndh ngh⟩
/s z h/ ⟨sh s h⟩ ⟨zh z h⟩
/w ɹ l j/ ⟨w r l y⟩ ⟨w r l y⟩
/w̥ ɹ̥ l̥ j̊/ ⟨wh rh lh yh⟩ ⟨wh rh lh yh⟩

Before a medium or high tone vowel, the left hand set is used, but before a low tone vowel, the right hand set is.

Vowels:
/i u ə a a̰/ ⟨i u e a o⟩

Doubled if high tone

Codae²:
/t k ʔ m ŋ r/ ⟨t k ∅ m n r⟩ ⟨d g h m n r⟩

The left option is used after mid and high tone vowels, the right one after low tone vowels. A flying point ⟨·⟩ is used to separate otherwise ambiguous clusters.

Wazah delu la cebah meshem wa. Ter, ghelinli, ter wazah tenin a li. Ter ghelinlila ju, cebah meshemeke inti phidhundjuku, pa merala. Debane wazah delu senteper. Pa telem ku dsebane telem ju apakjuk. Ter pa cebah ku ace mejemeyuh. Ter pa cerhedhun·ku ceenkii jake «Ceenkii ceenkii» de ashare, aju ku pa ne aashaadhun·ku, cenki rare. Ter cenki rabah taan ju, pa sengawa ara ku gedbah taan jemliijemlii waru. De aju taankuu. Yhuce ja aju.


Woshamali, thuku taan kemer lili, anugah woshashili, thuku taan kemer lili dejhar…



¹ Unattested in this position in the sample. If it does occur, it would be unwritten
² Guessed from sample

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 11:58 am
by Nortaneous
/p t ʦ ʧ k ʔ/ <p t tz tj k V>
/pʰ tʰ ʦʰ ʧʰ kʰ/ <p' t' tz' tj' k'>
/m n ŋ/ <m n v>
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ <m' n' v'>
/s z h/ <s' s hj>
/w ɹ l j/ <w rr l y>
/w̥ ɹ̥ l̥ j̊/ <w' rr' l' y'>

/i u ə a a̰/ <i u 0 a ä>

/-p -t -k -m -n -ñ -r/ <-f -c -q -b -d -g -r>

/á a à/ <txa ta tha>

Whashaa thluu la tzphaa ms'b wa. Tr, k'hlhiglhi, tr whashaa tnig ha li. Tr kh'liglhila tju, tzphaa mçmk hidti p'it'hugtjhuku, pa mhrrhalha. Thphan whashaa thluu s'dtpr, pa tlb ku tzhphan tlb tju apaqtjuq. Tr pa tzphaa ku atz mhtjmyuu. Tr pa tzrr'ht'hugku tzxvxi tjak "tzxvxi tzxvxi" th as'arh, atju ku pa n xas'xat'hugku, tzvi rrharrh. Tr tzvi rrxapxaa thag tju, pa çvxawxa arra ku khcphaa thaag tjmlhitjmlhii warruu. Th atju thavhuu. Y'utz tja atju. Waas'amali, t'uku thag kmr lili, anukhaa whaas'as'ili, t'uku thag kmr lili thtj'ar...

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/p t ʦ ʧ k ʔ/ <p t ts ch k h>
/pʰ tʰ ʦʰ ʧʰ kʰ/ <ph th tsh chh kh>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ <mh nh ngh>
/s z h/ <s-/-ss- z-/-s- h>
/w ɹ l j/ <w r l y>
/w̥ ɹ̥ l̥ j̊/ <wh h' lh sh>

/i u ə a/
/ _C <iCC euCC~ooCC uCC~eCC oCC>
/ _{# V} <e oo a aw>
/ _ʔ <e oo a ah>
/ _C[velar] <eCC oC/oaC uCC oCC>

/ju əɹ/ <ew#~euC er>

/áC/ various
/àPP/ <aBP>

/wàzàʔ tə̀luʔ la tsəpàʔ məsəm wa || təɹ | kʰə̀liŋlì, təɹ wàzàʔ təniŋ à li || təɹ kʰə̀liŋlìla tʃu, tsəpàʔ məsəməkə ìnti pʰitʰùŋtʃùku, pa mə̀ɹàlà || tə̀pànə wàzàʔ tə̀luʔ səntəpəɹ | pa tələm ku tsə̀pànə tələm tʃu apaktʃuk || təɹ pa tsəpàʔ ku atsə mə̀tʃəməjùʔ || təɹ pa tsəɹ̥ə̀tʰùŋku tsə́ŋí tʃakə "tsə́ŋí tsə́ŋí" tə̀ asaɹə̀ | atʃu ku pa nə ásátʰùŋku, tsəŋi ɹàɹə̀ || təɹ tsəŋi ɹàpàʔ táŋ tʃu | pa səŋàwà aɹa ku kə̀tpàʔ táŋ tʃəmlítʃəmlíʔ waɹuʔ || tə̀ atʃu táŋúʔ || j̊utsə tʃa atʃu/
Wozzah tullooh law tsuppah mussum waw. Ter, khullingle, ter wozzah tunning aw le. Ter khullinglilla chew, tsuppah mussumucka indte phitthoongdjeukkoo, paw murrallaw. Tubpanna wozzah tullooh suntupper, pa tullum koo tsubpanna tullum chew oppockchook. Ter paw tsuppah koo atsa mudjummiu. Ter pa tsurhudthongkoo tsunge chocka "tsungee tsungee" ta ossara, achew koo paw na ausauthongkoo, tsunge rarra. Ter tsunge robpah tong chew, pa sungowaw arraw koo kudpaw taung chumlee-chumlee worroo. Ta achew taungoo. Shootsa cha achew.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 7:17 pm
by Darren
/p t ʦ ʧ k ʔ/ ⟨b d dz y g h⟩
/pʰ tʰ ʦʰ ʧʰ kʰ/ ⟨p t z ch qu⟩
/m n ŋ/ ⟨m n ñ⟩
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ ⟨jm jn jñ⟩
/s z h/ ⟨c s j⟩
/w ɹ l j/ ⟨gu r l ll⟩
/w̥ ɹ̥ l̥ j̊/ ⟨cu jr jl jll⟩

/í i ì ú u ù ə́ ə ə̀ á a à á̰ a̰ à̰/ ⟨í i ie ú u ue é e ó á a o ay ía ia io⟩

/-t -k -ʔ -m -ŋ -ɹ/ ⟨d j s m n r⟩

Guosos dólus la dzebos mesem gua. Der, quólinlie, der guosos denin o li. Der quólinliela yu, dzebos mecemeque iendi pituenyuegu, ba mórolo. Dóbone guosos dólus cendeber, ba delem gu dzóbone dólóm yu abajyuj. Der ba dzebos gu adze móyemellues. Der ba dzejrótuengu dzéñí yaque "Dzéñí dzéñí" dó acaró, ayu gu ba ne ácátuengu, dzeñi robos dán yu. Ba ceñoguo ara gu gódbos dán yemlíyemlís guarus. Dó ayu dáñús. Jlludze ya ayu. Guiacamali, tugu dán gemer lili, anugos guiocacili, tugu dán gemer lili dóchar.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 1:15 pm
by Travis B.
Darren wrote: Sat Jul 19, 2025 7:17 pm /p t ʦ ʧ k ʔ/ ⟨b d dz y g h⟩
/pʰ tʰ ʦʰ ʧʰ kʰ/ ⟨p t z ch qu⟩
/m n ŋ/ ⟨m n ñ⟩
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ ⟨jm jn jñ⟩
/s z h/ ⟨c s j⟩
/w ɹ l j/ ⟨gu r l ll⟩
/w̥ ɹ̥ l̥ j̊/ ⟨cu jr jl jll⟩

/í i ì ú u ù ə́ ə ə̀ á a à á̰ a̰ à̰/ ⟨í i ie ú u ue é e ó á a o ay ía ia io⟩

/-t -k -ʔ -m -ŋ -ɹ/ ⟨d j s m n r⟩

Guosos dólus la dzebos mesem gua. Der, quólinlie, der guosos denin o li. Der quólinliela yu, dzebos mecemeque iendi pituenyuegu, ba mórolo. Dóbone guosos dólus cendeber, ba delem gu dzóbone dólóm yu abajyuj. Der ba dzebos gu adze móyemellues. Der ba dzejrótuengu dzéñí yaque "Dzéñí dzéñí" dó acaró, ayu gu ba ne ácátuengu, dzeñi robos dán yu. Ba ceñoguo ara gu gódbos dán yemlíyemlís guarus. Dó ayu dáñús. Jlludze ya ayu. Guiacamali, tugu dán gemer lili, anugos guiocacili, tugu dán gemer lili dóchar.
This looks awfully like a traditional Hispanosphere orthography the way it comes out (which was probably your intent).

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 2:07 pm
by Nortaneous
as Ziwan:
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/p t ʦ ʧ k ʔ/ <b d z dr g 0>
/pʰ tʰ ʦʰ ʧʰ kʰ/ <p t c rh k>
/m n ŋ/ <m n/ny ng>
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ <hm hn/hny hng>
/s z h/ <s ss h>
/w ɹ l j/ <w rr r y>
/w̥ ɹ̥ l̥ j̊/ <hw sh hr x>

zero onset <hh>
/-p -t -k -n -ŋ -r/ <-b -c -g -nn -n -r>

/i u ə a a̰/ <i/y u/v y/z/0 a/q a/q> (/i u/ <i u> in closed syllables or after +nasal; /ə/ <y> in open syllables after +strident, <0> after +sonorant except <rr sh>)
/iʔ uʔ əʔ aʔ/ <i/e u/o z x> (<e o> after +nasal)
/á a à/ <at al/a ap> (mid tone unwritten finally after a coda or <z>)
Wqpssxp dzprul ral zylbxp mlsym wql. Dzr, kzprinryp, dzr wqpssxp dzlnyinl hhap ril. Dzr kzprinlrypral drvl, zylbxp mlsylmlkzl yinnpdyl pyltunpdrvpgvl, bql mzprraprap. Dzpbapnz wqpssxp dzprul synnldzlbzr, bql dzlrym gvl zypbqpnz dzlrym drvl hhalpqgldrug. Dzr bql zylbxp gvl hhalcyl mpdrylmlyup. Dzr bql zylshyptunpgvl zytngit dralgz "zytngit zytngit" dzp hhalsalrrzp, hhaldrvl gvl bql nl hhatsattunpgvl, zylngil rraprrzp. Dzr zylngil rrapbxp dant drvl, bql sylngapwqp hhalrral gvl gzdpbxp dant drymlrrytdrymlrrit wqlrrul. Dzp hhaldrvl datngot. Xvlzyl dral hhaldrvl.

as Hluic:
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/p t ʦ ʧ k ʔ/ <p/b t/d ts/dz c/j k/g q>
/pʰ tʰ ʦʰ ʧʰ kʰ/ <ph th tsh ch kh>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ <hm hn hng>
/s z h/ <hs h>
/w ɹ l j/ <w r l y>
/w̥ ɹ̥ l̥ j̊/ <hw hr hl x>

/i u ə a a̰/ <i/e u/o oe/ue a oa>
/á a à/ <á a/Pa à/Ba>
Wàsàq doelu la tsoebaq moesuem wa. Toer, koèlenglì, doer wàsàq toening à li. Toer khoèlenglìla cu, tsoebaq moesoemoekoe ìnti phithòngjoko, pa moèràlà. Doebanoe wàsàq doeluq soentoepoer, pa toeloem ku dzoebanue toeloem cu apakcok. Toer pa tsoehroèthòngko tsoéngí cakue "tsoéngí tsoéngí" doe asaruè, acu ko pa noe ásáthòngko, tsoengi ràroè. Toer tsoengi ràbaq táng cu, pa soengàwà ara ku goetbaq tang coemlícoemléq waroq. Doe acu tángóq. Xutsue ca acu.

as Hathic:
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/p t ʦ ʧ k ʔ/ <b d dz dz g -t>
/pʰ tʰ ʦʰ ʧʰ kʰ/ <p t ts ts k>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ <hm hn hng>
/s z h/ <s z h>
/w ɹ l j/ <w r l g>
/w̥ ɹ̥ l̥ j̊/ <f sh lh sh>

/i u ə a/ <i o u/ô# a>
/ə́ əC/ <ô> (əC only when nonfinal; both when not <e>)
/ʦi ʦu ʦə ʦa/ <tsê tso tsu tsâ> (+ /ʦʰ k kʰ ɹ̥/)
/ʧi ʧu ʧə ʧa/ <tsi tsou tse tsa> (+ /ʧʰ j - j̊/)
/-p -t -k/ <-b -d -g>
Wazat dulot la dzubat musum wa. Dur, kulingli, dur wazat duning a li. Dur kulinglila dzou, dzubat musumugô indê pitongdzougo, ba murala. Dubanô wazat dulot sôndubur, ba dulum go dzubanô dulum dzou abagdzoug. Dur ba dzubat go adzu mudzemugout. Dur ba dzushutonggo dzôngi dzagô "dzôngi dzôngi" dô asarô, adzou go ba nô asatonggo, dzungi rarô. Dur dzungi rabat dang dzou, ba sungawa ara go gudbat dang dzômlidzômlit warot. Dou atsou dangot. Shoudzô dza adzou.

as Haruan:
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/p t ʦ ʧ k ʔ/ <p t ts tz k>
/pʰ tʰ ʦʰ ʧʰ kʰ/ <ph/-pp- th/-tt- tsh/-tts- tzh/-ttz- kh/-kk->
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ <hm hn hng>
/s z h/ <s x h>
/w ɹ l j/ <w r l j>
/w̥ ɹ̥ l̥ j̊/ <f rr ll z>

/i u ə a/ <i u e a>
/á a à/ <á a à>
Wàxàh tèluh la tsepàh mesem wa. Ter, khèlinglì, ter wàxàh tening à li. Ter khèlinglìla tzu, tsepàh mesemeke ìnti phittùngtzùku, pa mèràlà. Tèpàne wàxàh tèluh senteper, pa telem ku tsèpàne telem tzu apaktzuk. Ter pa tsepàh ku atse mètzemejùh. Ter pa tserrettùngku tséngí tzake "tséngí tséngí" tè asarè, atzu ku pa ne ásáttùngku, tsengi ràrè. Ter tsengi ràpàh táng tzu, pa sengàwà ara ku kètpàh táng tzemlítzemlíh waruh. Tè atzu tángúh. Zutse ta atzu.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2025 4:23 am
by ophois
/p t ʦ ʧ k ʔ/ <b d dz j g Vt>
/pʰ tʰ ʦʰ ʧʰ kʰ/ <p t ts c k>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/m̥ n̥ ŋ̊/ <mh nh nk>
/s z h/ <s z h>
/w ɹ l j/ <w r l y>
/w̥ ɹ̥ l̥ j̊/ <f rh lh x>

/i u ə a a̰/ <i u e a ea>

<Vh V VV> for tones. Digraphs disambiguated with apostrophes.

/wàzàʔ tə̀luʔ la tsəpàʔ məsəm wa || təɹ | kʰə̀liŋlì, təɹ wàzàʔ təniŋ à li || təɹ kʰə̀liŋlìla tʃu, tsəpàʔ məsəməkə ìnti pʰitʰùŋtʃùku, pa mə̀ɹàlà || tə̀pànə wàzàʔ tə̀luʔ səntəpəɹ | pa tələm ku tsə̀pànə tələm tʃu apaktʃuk || təɹ pa tsəpàʔ ku atsə mə̀tʃəməjùʔ || təɹ pa tsəɹ̥ə̀tʰùŋku tsə́ŋí tʃakə "tsə́ŋí tsə́ŋí" tə̀ asaɹə̀ | atʃu ku pa nə ásátʰùŋku, tsəŋi ɹàɹə̀ || təɹ tsəŋi ɹàpàʔ táŋ tʃu | pa səŋàwà aɹa ku kə̀tpàʔ táŋ tʃəmlítʃəmlíʔ waɹuʔ || tə̀ atʃu táŋúʔ || j̊utsə tʃa atʃu/
/wa̰samali | tʰuku táŋ kəməɹ lili | anukàʔ wà̰sasili | tʰuku táŋ kəməɹ lili tə̀tʃʰaɹ.../ <Waazaat deelut la dzebaat mesem wa. Der, keelinglii, der waazaat dening aa li. Der keelingliila ju, dzebaat mesemege iinti pituungjuugu, ba meeraalaa. Deebaane waazaat deelut sendeber, ba delem gu dzeebaane delem ju abagjug. Der ba dzebaat gu adze meejemeyuut. Der ba dzerheetuunggu dzehngih jage "dzehngih dzehngih" dee asaree, aju gu ba ne ahsahtuunggu dzengi raaree. Der dzengi raabaat dahng ju, ba sengaawaa ara gu geedbaat dahng jemliijemliit warut. De aju dahnguht. Xudze ja aju. Weasamali, tugu dahng gemer lili, anukaat weahsasili, tugu dahng gemer lili deechar...>

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2025 12:05 pm
by Skookum
Phonology for a language I'm tentatively calling Kvanasc̣a:

/p t ts tɬ ʈʂ ʈꞎ tʃ k q ʔ/
/p' t' ts' tɬ' ʈʂ' ʈꞎ' tʃ' k' q'/
/s ɬ ʂ ꞎ ʃ x χ h/
/ʋ r l ɻ ɭ y/
/ʋ' r' l' ɻ' ɭ' y'/
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/
/m' n' ɳ' ɲ' ŋ'/

/i ĩ ɛ ɛ̃ u ũ/ ("light" vowels)
/ɪ ɪ̃ a ã ʊ ʊ̃/ ("dark" vowels)
/ə ə̃/ (neutral)

Dark vowels are phonemic (i.e., they occur underlyingly in roots), but are also predictable allophones of the light vowels before retroflexes and uvulars. There is a vowel harmony process where light vowels in suffixes change to their darkened counterpart when the root has a dark vowel. Schwa is neutral and transparent to this harmony.

Syllable structure is C(C)(C)V(C)(C)(C). Consonant clusters follow sonoroity sequencing of: sonorant (ʔ is treated as a sonorant) > nasal > fricative > stop/affricate, where clusters must rise in sonority as you get closer to the nucleus. The exception is that coronal obstruents may cluster with other obstruents if the coronal is farther from the nucleus; so /tk/ is an acceptable initial cluster, and /kt/ is an acceptable final cluster.

No sentences yet, but some example words:

/ʈꞎ'ɛŋ'χ ʂꞎəp’ kʋənaʂʈʂa ʋiʃɛqt tk̓ram ʂulun mrasan lə̃́q'ə̃n qʋiɬxən ʈꞎ'ɛptən ʃʊktsən ʂəlútnɛ mrəsatna qʋəɬxətnɛ ʔʊ̃q' ts'ʔəɻx/

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2025 12:03 am
by ophois
/kʋənaʂʈʂa/ <Kvanashchah>

/p t ts tɬ ʈʂ ʈꞎ tʃ k q ʔ/ <p t c tł ch tłh č k kh q>
/p' t' ts' tɬ' ʈʂ' ʈꞎ' tʃ' k' q'/ <p' t' c' tł' ch' tłh' č' k' kh'>
/s ɬ ʂ ꞎ ʃ x χ h/ <s ł sh łh š j jh h>
/ʋ r l ɻ ɭ y/ <v r l rh lh y>
/ʋ' r' l' ɻ' ɭ' y'/ <v' r' l' rh' lh' y'>
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n nh ñ g>
/m' n' ɳ' ɲ' ŋ'/ <m' n' nh' ñ' g'>

/i ĩ ɛ ɛ̃ u ũ/ ("light" vowels) <i ĩ e ẽ u ũ>
/ɪ ɪ̃ a ã ʊ ʊ̃/ ("dark" vowels) <i(h) ĩ(h) a(h) ã(h) u(h) ũ(h)>
/ə ə̃/ (neutral) <a-e ã-ẽ>

The final <-h> after dark vowels is not written before retroflexes or uvulars. Schwa is written <e> in this environment to disambiguate.

/ʈꞎ'ɛŋ'χ ʂꞎəp’ kʋənaʂʈʂa ʋiʃɛqt tk̓ram ʂulun mrasan lə̃́q'ə̃n qʋiɬxən ʈꞎ'ɛptən ʃʊktsən ʂəlútnɛ mrəsatna qʋəɬxətnɛ ʔʊ̃q' ts'ʔəɻx/
<tłh'eg'jh słhap' Kvanashchah višekht tk'rahm shulun mrahsahn lẽkh'ãn khviłjan tłh'eptan šuhkcan shalutne mrasahtnah khvałjatne qũkh' c'qerhj>

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2025 7:42 am
by Lērisama
/kʋənaʂʈʂa/ ⟨kvenascra⟩

A horrifying ASCII-only monster for you. Hyphens are used to separate otherwise ambiguous clusters, and I've replaced the mysterious accutes in the sample with vowel letter doubling.

/p t ts tɬ ʈʂ ʈꞎ tʃ k q ʔ/ ⟨b d z zl rz rzl j g rg ∅¹⟩
/p' t' ts' tɬ' ʈʂ' ʈꞎ' tʃ' k' q'/ ⟨p t c cl rc rcl q k rk⟩
/s ɬ ʂ ꞎ ʃ x χ h/ ⟨s f rs rf sy x rx h⟩
/ʋ r l ɻ ɭ j/ ⟨v vr l r rl y⟩
/ʋ' r' l' ɻ' ɭ' j'/ ⟨pv tvr tl tr rtl jy⟩
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ ⟨m n rn ny ng⟩
/m' n' ɳ' ɲ' ŋ'/ ⟨pm tn rtn qny kng⟩

/i ĩ ɛ ɛ̃ u ũ/ ⟨i inh e enh w wnh⟩
/ɪ ɪ̃ a ã ʊ ʊ̃/ ⟨u unh a anh o onh⟩
/ə ə̃/ ⟨e enh⟩

There seems to be some sort of retroflex assimilation going on, so I'm not working the second ⟨r⟩ in a sequence of two retroflexes.

/ʈꞎ'ɛŋ'χ ʂꞎəp’ kʋənaʂʈʂa ʋiʃɛqt tk̓ram ʂulun mrasan lə̃́q'ə̃n qʋiɬxən ʈꞎ'ɛptən ʃʊktsən ʂəlútnɛ mrəsatna qʋəɬxətnɛ ʔʊ̃q' ts'ʔəɻx/
⟨Rclekngrx rsfep kvenarsza visyergd dkram rsulun mvrasan leenhrkenhn rgvifxen rclebden syogzen rseluut-ne mrasat-na rgvefxet-ne onhrk ccer-x⟩.

¹ A glottal stop after a consonant is signified by doubling the consonant before it, replacing the second repetition with the glottalised version thereof if possible. E.g. /kʔ k'ʔ χʔ ŋ'ʔ/ ⟨gk kk rxx nkng⟩