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Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2025 8:04 am
by Lērisama
And a more serious version as well, I think

/p t ts tɬ ʈʂ ʈꞎ tʃ k q ʔ/ ⟨p t ts tł tš tł̌ tc k q ˀ⟩
/p' t' ts' tɬ' ʈʂ' ʈꞎ' tʃ' k' q'/ ⟨ṗ ṭ ṭs ṭł ṭš ṭł̌ ṭc ḳ q̇⟩
/s ɬ ʂ ꞎ ʃ x χ h/ ⟨s ł š ł̌ c x hx h⟩
/ʋ r l ɻ ɭ y/ ⟨v r l ř ľ ȷ⟩
/ʋ' r' l' ɻ' ɭ' y'/ ⟨ṿ ṛ ḷ ṛ̌ ḷ̌ j⟩
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ ⟨m n ň ñ ŋ⟩
/m' n' ɳ' ɲ' ŋ'/ ⟨ṃ ṇ ṇ̌ ṇ̃ ŋ̇⟩

/i ĩ ɛ ɛ̃ u ũ/ ⟨i į ä ą̈ u ų⟩
/ɪ ɪ̃ a ã ʊ ʊ̃/ ⟨e ę a ą o ǫ⟩
/ə ə̃/ ⟨ë ę̈⟩

/ʈꞎ'ɛŋ'χ ʂꞎəp’ kʋənaʂʈʂa ʋiʃɛqt tk̓ram ʂulun mrasan lə̃́q'ə̃n qʋiɬxən ʈꞎ'ɛptən ʃʊktsən ʂəlútnɛ mrəsatna qʋəɬxətnɛ ʔʊ̃q' ts'ʔəɻx/
⟨tł̌äŋ̇hx šľëṗ kvënaštša viceqt tḳram šulun mrasan lę̋q̇ę̈n qviłxën ṭł̌eptën coktsen šelútne mresatna qvełxetne ˀǫq̇ ṫsˀëřx⟩

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2025 7:56 pm
by /ˌnɐ.ˈɾɛn.dɚ.ˌduːd/
/p t ts tɬ ʈʂ ʈꞎ tʃ k q ʔ/ p t ts tl tṣ tḷ tsh k q ʔ
/p' t' ts' tɬ' ʈʂ' ʈꞎ' tʃ' k' q'/ p' t' ts' tl' tṣ' tḷ' tsh' k' q'
/s ɬ ʂ ꞎ ʃ x χ h/ s hl ṣ hḷ sh kh qh h
/ʋ r l ɻ ɭ y/ v r l ṛ ḷ y
/ʋ' r' l' ɻ' ɭ' y'/ v' r' l' ṛ' ḷ' y'
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ m n ṇ ny ng
/m' n' ɳ' ɲ' ŋ'/ m' n' ṇ' ny' ng'

/i ĩ ɛ ɛ̃ u ũ/ í ĩ́ é ẽ́ ú ṹ
/ɪ ɪ̃ a ã ʊ ʊ̃/ i ĩ e ẽ u ũ
/ə ə̃/ ə ə̃

I have no clue why, but I seem to have an affinity for avoiding diacritics. somebody please cure me of this curse :cry:

/ʈꞎ'ɛŋ'χ ʂꞎəp’ kʋənaʂʈʂa ʋiʃɛqt tk̓ram ʂulun mrasan lə̃́q'ə̃n qʋiɬxən ʈꞎ'ɛptən ʃʊktsən ʂəlútnɛ mrəsatna qʋəɬxətnɛ ʔʊ̃q' ts'ʔəɻx/
tḷ'éng'qh ṣhḷəp' kvənaṣtṣe víshéqt ṣúlún mresen lə̃q'ə̃n qvíhlkhən tḷ'éptən shuktsən ṣəlútné mrəsetne qvəhlkhətné ʔũq' ts'ʔəṛkh

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2025 8:13 pm
by Travis B.
/p t ts tɬ ʈʂ ʈꞎ tʃ k q ʔ/ ⟨p t ts tl tsr tlr tc k q ˀ⟩
/p' t' ts' tɬ' ʈʂ' ʈꞎ' tʃ' k' q'/ ⟨p' t' ts' tl' tsr' tlr' tc' k' q'⟩
/s ɬ ʂ ꞎ ʃ x χ h/ ⟨s hl sr hlr c x xh h⟩
/ʋ r l ɻ ɭ y/ ⟨v r l rr lr j⟩
/ʋ' r' l' ɻ' ɭ' y'/ ⟨v' r' l' rr' lr' j'⟩
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ ⟨m n nr nj ng⟩
/m' n' ɳ' ɲ' ŋ'/ ⟨m' n' nr' nj' ng'⟩

/i ĩ ɛ ɛ̃ u ũ/ ⟨i ĩ ea ẽã u ũ⟩
/ɪ ɪ̃ a ã ʊ ʊ̃/ ⟨y ỹ a ã o õ⟩
/ə ə̃/ ⟨e ẽ⟩

When multiple retroflex consonants are in sequence, the ⟨r⟩ is only written on the last one.

The random acutes on vowels are marked with vowel doubling (note that ⟨ea⟩ and ⟨ẽã⟩ double to ⟨eea⟩ and ⟨ẽẽã⟩).

/ʈꞎ'ɛŋ'χ ʂꞎəp’ kʋənaʂʈʂa ʋiʃɛqt tk̓ram ʂulun mrasan lə̃́q'ə̃n qʋiɬxən ʈꞎ'ɛptən ʃʊktsən ʂəlútnɛ mrəsatna qʋəɬxətnɛ ʔʊ̃q' ts'ʔəɻx/
Tlr'eang'xh shlrep' kvenasastsra viceaqt tkram srulun mrasan lẽẽq'ẽn qvihlxyn tlr'eapten coktsen sreluutnea mresatna qvehlxetnea ˀõõq' ts'ˀerrx.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 4:27 am
by Nortaneous
/p t ts tɬ ʈʂ ʈꞎ tʃ k q ʔ/ <b d z zz zh zzh j g gh hh>
/p' t' ts' tɬ' ʈʂ' ʈꞎ' tʃ' k' q'/ <p t c cc ch cch q k kh>
/s ɬ ʂ ꞎ ʃ x χ h/ <s ss sh ssh x vh v xh>
/ʋ r l ɻ ɭ y/ <w rr l r ll y>
/ʋ' r' l' ɻ' ɭ' y'/ <wh rrh lh rh llh yh>
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n nn ny ng>
/m' n' ɳ' ɲ' ŋ'/ <mh nh nnh nyh ngh>

/i ĩ ɛ ɛ̃ u ũ/ <i i' ai ai' u u'>
/ɪ ɪ̃ a ã ʊ ʊ̃/ <y y' a a' o o'>
/ə ə̃/ <e e'>

/ʈꞎ'ɛŋ'χ ʂꞎəp’ kʋənaʂʈʂa ʋiʃɛqt tk̓ram ʂulun mrasan lə̃́q'ə̃n qʋiɬxən ʈꞎ'ɛptən ʃʊktsən ʂəlútnɛ mrəsatna qʋəɬxətnɛ ʔʊ̃q' ts'ʔəɻx/
Cchainghv shsshep gwenashcha wishaighd dkrram shulun mrasan le'fkhe'n ghwissvhen cchaibden xogzen shelufdnai mresadna ghwessvhetnai hho'kh chhervh.

/p t ts tɬ ʈʂ ʈꞎ tʃ k q ʔ/ <p t ɔ ç ε ꞓ ꞇ c q з>
/p' t' ts' tɬ' ʈʂ' ʈꞎ' tʃ' k' q'/ <b d z ʒ ꝣ ƶ ᵹ g ɋ>
/s ɬ ʂ ꞎ ʃ x χ h/ <s ş ꟙ ꞩ ꞅ x ⱶ h>
/ʋ r l ɻ ɭ y/ <ƿ r l ɍ ƚ y>
/ʋ' r' l' ɻ' ɭ' y'/ <ꟃ rз lз...>
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n ꞥ ñ ꝿ>
/m' n' ɳ' ɲ' ŋ'/ <mз...>

/i ĩ ɛ ɛ̃ u ũ/ <i ᴉ e ə ū ṉ>
/ɪ ɪ̃ a ã ʊ ʊ̃/ <y λ a ɐ ō o̱>
/ə ə̃/ <ʌ v>

/ʈꞎ'ɛŋ'χ ʂꞎəp’ kʋənaʂʈʂa ʋiʃɛqt tk̓ram ʂulun mrasan lə̃́q'ə̃n qʋiɬxən ʈꞎ'ɛptən ʃʊktsən ʂəlútnɛ mrəsatna qʋəɬxətnɛ ʔʊ̃q' ts'ʔəɻx/
Ƶeꝿзⱶ ꟙꞩʌb cƿʌnaꟙεa ƿiꞅeqt tgram ꟙūlūn mrasan lvɋvn qƿişxʌn ƶeptʌn ꞅōcɔʌn ꟙʌlūtne mrʌsatna qƿʌşxʌtne зo̱ɋ zзʌɍx.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 5:03 pm
by Karch
/p t ts tɬ ʈʂ ʈꞎ tʃ k q ʔ/ <p t ts thl tr lr ch k q 7>
/p' t' ts' tɬ' ʈʂ' ʈꞎ' tʃ' k' q'/ <b d dz dl dr rd j g gh>
/s ɬ ʂ ꞎ ʃ x χ h/ <s tl sh rl shy x xh h>
/ʋ r l ɻ ɭ y/ <v r l rh lh y>
/ʋ' r' l' ɻ' ɭ' y'/ <v' r' l' rh' lh' y'>
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n rn ny ng>
/m' n' ɳ' ɲ' ŋ'/ <m' n' rn' ny' ng'>

/i ĩ ɛ ɛ̃ u ũ/ <i ih e eh u uh>
/ɪ ɪ̃ a ã ʊ ʊ̃/ <e/ei eh/eih a ah o oh>
/ə ə̃/ <w wh>
stress marked with an apostrophe following the vowel

/ʈꞎ'ɛŋ'χ ʂꞎəp’ kʋənaʂʈʂa ʋiʃɛqt tk̓ram ʂulun mrasan lə̃́q'ə̃n qʋiɬxən ʈꞎ'ɛptən ʃʊktsən ʂəlútnɛ mrəsatna qʋəɬxətnɛ ʔʊ̃q' ts'ʔəɻx/
Rdeng'xh srlwb kvwnastra visheqt tgram shulun mrasan lwh'ghwn qvilhxwn rdeptwn shoktswn shwlu'tne mrwsatna qvwlhxwtne 7o'gh dz7erhx.

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...well this doesn't work. Let's try something different.

/p t ts tɬ ʈʂ ʈꞎ tʃ k q ʔ/ <p t c ł ċ ł̇ ꞓ k q '>
/p' t' ts' tɬ' ʈʂ' ʈꞎ' tʃ' k' q'/ <b d z ḻ ż ḻ̇ ƶ g ǥ>
/s ɬ ʂ ꞎ ʃ x χ h/ <s ḷ ṡ ɍ ꞩ x ẋ h>
/ʋ r l ɻ ɭ y/ <v r l ṙ l̇ y>
/ʋ' r' l' ɻ' ɭ' y'/ <v̂ r̂ l̂ r̈ l̈ ŷ>
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n ṅ ꞥ ɔ>
/m' n' ɳ' ɲ' ŋ'/ <m̂ n̂ n̈ ꞥ̂ ɔ̂>

/i ĩ ɛ ɛ̃ u ũ/ <i î e ê u û>
/ɪ ɪ̃ a ã ʊ ʊ̃/ <ɛ ɛ̂ a â o ô>
/ə ə̃/ <ȯ ö>
stressed vowels marked by underlining
/ʈꞎ'ɛŋ'χ ʂꞎəp’ kʋənaʂʈʂa ʋiʃɛqt tk̓ram ʂulun mrasan lə̃́q'ə̃n qʋiɬxən ʈꞎ'ɛptən ʃʊktsən ʂəlútnɛ mrəsatna qʋəɬxətnɛ ʔʊ̃q' ts'ʔəɻx/
Ḻ̇eɔ̂ẋ ṡɍȯb kvȯnaṡċa viꞩeqt tgram ṡulun mrasan lö̱ǥön qviḷxȯn ḻ̇eptȯn ꞩokcȯn ṡȯlu̱tne mrȯsatna qvȯḷxȯtne 'ôǥ z'ȯṙx.

...this doesn't work either. Let's try something else.

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/p t ts tɬ ʈʂ ʈꞎ tʃ k q ʔ/ <p t ts tł tr rł ch k q '>
/p' t' ts' tɬ' ʈʂ' ʈꞎ' tʃ' k' q'/ <b d dz dl dr rl j g gh>
/s ɬ ʂ ꞎ ʃ x χ h/ <s ł sh łh ŝ x xh h>
/ʋ r l ɻ ɭ y/ <w r l rh lh y>
/ʋ' r' l' ɻ' ɭ' y'/ <w' r' l' rh' lh' y'>
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n rn ny ng>
/m' n' ɳ' ɲ' ŋ'/ <m' n' rn' ny' ng'>

/i ĩ ɛ ɛ̃ u ũ/ <i î e ê u û>
/ɪ ɪ̃ a ã ʊ ʊ̃/ <ë ẽ a â ö õ>
/ə ə̃/ <o ô>
stress marked by an acute

/ʈꞎ'ɛŋ'χ ʂꞎəp’ kʋənaʂʈʂa ʋiʃɛqt tk̓ram ʂulun mrasan lə̃́q'ə̃n qʋiɬxən ʈꞎ'ɛptən ʃʊktsən ʂəlútnɛ mrəsatna qʋəɬxətnɛ ʔʊ̃q' ts'ʔəɻx/
Rleng'xh słhob kwonashtra wiŝeqt tgram shulun mrasan lốghôn qwiłxon rlepton ŝöktson sholútne mrosatna qwołxotne 7õgh dz7orhx.

Yeah, I'd say this works. Let's try underdifferentiation, though:

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/p t ts tɬ ʈʂ ʈꞎ tʃ k q ʔ/ <p t ts tl ch tl ch k q '>
/p' t' ts' tɬ' ʈʂ' ʈꞎ' tʃ' k' q'/ <b d dz dl dz dl j g g>
/s ɬ ʂ ꞎ ʃ x χ h/ <s lh sh lh sh x x h>
/ʋ r l ɻ ɭ y/ <w r l r l y>
/ʋ' r' l' ɻ' ɭ' y'/ <w' r' l' r' l' y>
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n n ny ng>
/m' n' ɳ' ɲ' ŋ'/ <m' n' n' ny' ng'>

/i ĩ ɛ ɛ̃ u ũ/ <i i e e u u>
/ɪ ɪ̃ a ã ʊ ʊ̃/ <i i a a u u>
/ə ə̃/ <e e>

/ʈꞎ'ɛŋ'χ ʂꞎəp’ kʋənaʂʈʂa ʋiʃɛqt tk̓ram ʂulun mrasan lə̃́q'ə̃n qʋiɬxən ʈꞎ'ɛptən ʃʊktsən ʂəlútnɛ mrəsatna qʋəɬxətnɛ ʔʊ̃q' ts'ʔəɻx/
Dleng'x slheb kwenashcha wisheqt tgram shulun mrasan legen qwilhxen dlepten shuktsen shelutne mresatna qwelhxetne 'ug dz'erx.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 7:34 pm
by ophois
Here's something new, not only a romanization challenge but an etymology one. All I'll say is that it's an posteriori language and that the words are direct roots from the proto-language via Wiktionary.

/m n ɲ/
/p t t͡s t͡ʃ k/
/b d d͡ʒ g/
/s ʃ/
/v ð l j/
/r/

/i y ɯ u/
/e ø ɤ o/
/æ ɑ/

+ a length contrast for all vowels

/vɑːt͡ʃ kɑj t͡ʃɑɲ ɑd͡ʒ ɲɑm pɤk tɑː kut͡ʃ keð mɯː vɑt͡ʃ kævðe pɑːk/

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 9:36 pm
by Travis B.
/m n ɲ/ ⟨m n nj⟩
/p t t͡s t͡ʃ k/ ⟨p t z kj k⟩
/b d d͡ʒ g/ ⟨b d gj g⟩
/s ʃ/ ⟨s sj⟩
/v ð l j/ ⟨v dh l j⟩
/r/ ⟨r⟩

/i y ɯ u/ ⟨i y ü u⟩
/e ø ɤ o/ ⟨e ø ö o⟩
/æ ɑ/ ⟨æ a⟩

Long vowels are doubled.

/vɑːt͡ʃ kɑj t͡ʃɑɲ ɑd͡ʒ ɲɑm pɤk tɑː kut͡ʃ keð mɯː vɑt͡ʃ kævðe pɑːk/
Vaakj kaj kjanj agj njam pök taa kukj kedh müü vakj kævdhe paak.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 10:37 pm
by Travis B.
Phonotactics

(((...ConsetVunstressed minor)ConsetVstressed minor)ConsetVunstressed minor)Conset({ɾ l})Vmajor({m n ŋ p t k})

Onset consonants

labialalveolarpalatalvelarglottal
nasalsmnɲŋ
implosivesɓɗ
voiced plosivesbdɟg
voiceless unaspirated plosivesptckʔ
voiceless aspirated plosives
fricativessh
liquidsɾ l
semivowelswj

Coda consonants

labialalveolarvelar
nasalsmnŋ
voiceless unaspirated plosivesptk

Stressed syllable vowels

Stressed syllables are always the last syllable in a word.

Monophthongs:

frontcentralback
closeiɨu
close-mideɘo
open-midɛɜɔ
openæɑ

Monophthongs in stressed syllables can be short or long, independent of quality.

Diphthongs:

front endcentral endback end
front startæiæɨæu
back startɑiɑɨɑu

Diphthongs are always long.

Minor syllable vowels

frontcentralback
near-closeɪɨʊ
near-openɐ

Minor syllable vowels are always short.

Stressed minor syllable vowels

'Stressed minor syllables' may seem like a contradiction in terms, but this occurs if two or more syllables are attached to a final stressed syllable, where then they form iambs, and the stressed syllables of each iamb other than the final syllable count as 'stressed minor syllables'.

frontcentralback
closeiɨu
opena

Stressed minor syllable vowels are always short.

Tones/registers

There are five tones/registers, low/modal, low/breathy, mid/modal, high/modal, and high/creaky.

Only final syllables are marked for tone/register.

Examples

ník ʔɪkʰæ̰m ʔɔ̤m nɪmikɐkʰæ̰m ʔṵ cʰǣp tʰɛ̀.

cʰǣp cʰɑ̄ kín wóŋ hí ʔɛ̰ɛ hɐwóŋ sí ʔɔ̤m lǣ lɨ́ bɑ̰ ɗɾɛ̄k.

nɑ̰ bɑ̰ cʰɑ̄ ɟḛe hɑ̀ mɐlḛk ʔɛ̰ɛ ɡɑ̄ bɑ̰ mæ̀.

lɐgæ̀k ɲìit jɔ̀ɔ ʔṵ lɨ́ bɑ̰ ŋō tʰɑ̀ kòp sí.

ʔakɐse̤k kɐɾúu wʊwóŋ jí ɾɑ̤ ɓɔ̄ɔk ʔṵ ɡɑ̄ bɑ̰ kɑ̤.

hɑ̀ ʔḭ kɐkʰæ̰m cʰǣp kɑ̤ ʔɔ̤m lǣ hɑ̀ ɾɛ̰ɛ cɛ́ɛ kín nɨ̄ cʰǣp.

lɔ̄ŋ ʔṵ hɐwóŋ cʰɑ̄ kamɪkín wʊwóŋ sí.

ʔakɐse̤k cʰɑ̄ kamɪkín ɟɔ̤p ʔī ʔɐjɑ̄m ʔī wʊwóŋ sí.

ɟū mɘ̤ cʰɑ̄ kǽ kɐkʰæ̰m wʊwóŋ kín ɟū ɟæ̀u sí.

hɑ̀ cʰɑ́ jí ŋɑ́ hɐwóŋ hí jí ɾɑ̤ nɨ̄ ʔɛ́k mɘ̤ kɑ̤.

ɓɔ̄ɔk cʰɑ́ cʰḭk ʔɐtʰḭm hí kɐse̤k sʊlæ̰i mɘ̤ kɑ̤.

wóŋ ɗæ̰i ɟæ̀u ʔɛ̰ɛ hɐwóŋ tʰɑ̀ lɨ́ mḛ sí.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 1:22 pm
by Karch
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny ng>
/ɓ ɗ/ <bh dh>
/b d ɟ ɡ/ <b d j g>
/p t c k ʔ/ <p t c k 0>
/pʰ tʰ cʰ kʰ/ <ph th ch kh>
/s h/ <s h>
/r l/ <r l>
/w j/ <w y>

/-m -n -ŋ -p -t -k/ <m n ng p t k>

/i ɨ u e ɘ o ɛ ɜ ɔ æ ɑ/ <i ü u e ö o ê ò ô ä a>
+ length <VV>
/æi æɨ æu ɑi ɑɨ ɑu/ <ei eü eu ai aü au>
[ɪ ɨ ʊ ɐ a] <i ü u a a>
low/modal, low/breathy, mid/modal, high/modal, and high/creaky <'(C)a a: ah a a(C)'>

ník ʔɪkʰæ̰m ʔɔ̤m nɪmikɐkʰæ̰m ʔṵ cʰǣp tʰɛ̀. cʰǣp cʰɑ̄ kín wóŋ hí ʔɛ̰ɛ hɐwóŋ sí ʔɔ̤m lǣ lɨ́ bɑ̰ ɗɾɛ̄k. nɑ̰ bɑ̰ cʰɑ̄ ɟḛe hɑ̀ mɐlḛk ʔɛ̰ɛ ɡɑ̄ bɑ̰ mæ̀. lɐgæ̀k ɲìit jɔ̀ɔ ʔṵ lɨ́ bɑ̰ ŋō tʰɑ̀ kòp sí. ʔakɐse̤k kɐɾúu wʊwóŋ jí ɾɑ̤ ɓɔ̄ɔk ʔṵ ɡɑ̄ bɑ̰ kɑ̤. hɑ̀ ʔḭ kɐkʰæ̰m cʰǣp kɑ̤ ʔɔ̤m lǣ hɑ̀ ɾɛ̰ɛ cɛ́ɛ kín nɨ̄ cʰǣp. lɔ̄ŋ ʔṵ hɐwóŋ cʰɑ̄ kamɪkín wʊwóŋ sí. ʔakɐse̤k cʰɑ̄ kamɪkín ɟɔ̤p ʔī ʔɐjɑ̄m ʔī wʊwóŋ sí. ɟū mɘ̤ cʰɑ̄ kǽ kɐkʰæ̰m wʊwóŋ kín ɟū ɟæ̀u sí. hɑ̀ cʰɑ́ jí ŋɑ́ hɐwóŋ hí jí ɾɑ̤ nɨ̄ ʔɛ́k mɘ̤ kɑ̤. ɓɔ̄ɔk cʰɑ́ cʰḭk ʔɐtʰḭm hí kɐse̤k sʊlæ̰i mɘ̤ kɑ̤. wóŋ ɗæ̰i ɟæ̀u ʔɛ̰ɛ hɐwóŋ tʰɑ̀ lɨ́ mḛ sí.
Nik ikhäm' ô:m nimikakhäm' u' chähp 'thê. Chähp chah kin wong hi êê' hawong si ô:m läh lü ba' dhrêk. Na' ba' chah jee' 'ha malek' êê' gah ba' 'mä. La'gäk 'nyiit 'yôô u' lü ba' ngoh 'tha 'kop si. Akase:k karuu wuwong yi ra: bhôôhk u' gah ba' ka:. 'Ha i' kakhäm' chähp ka: ô:m lä 'ha rêê' cêê kin nüh chähp. Lôhng u' hawong chah kamikin wuwong si. Akase:k chah kamikin jô:p ih ayahm ih wuwong si. Juh mö: chah kä kakham' wuwong kin juh 'jeu si. 'Ha cha yi nga hawong hi yi ra: nüh êk mö: ka:. Bhôôhk cha chik' athim' hi kase:k sulei' mö: ka:. Wong dhei' 'jeu êê' hawong 'tha lü me' si.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 2:18 pm
by Travis B.
Karch wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 1:22 pm low/modal, low/breathy, mid/modal, high/modal, and high/creaky <'(C)a a: ah a a(C)'>
I'm surprised you didn't use ⟨ah⟩ for low/breathy.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2025 5:16 am
by Lērisama
A Latin-1 compliant orthography, somehow

/m n ɲ ŋ/ ⟨mh nh ñh gnh⟩ *⟨m n ñ gn⟩
/ɓ ɗ/ ⟨bp dt⟩ *⟨bb dd⟩
/b d ɟ ɡ/ ⟨mp nt nc nk⟩ *⟨mb nd nzj ng⟩
/p t c k ʔ/ *⟨p t c k q⟩ ⟨b d zj g v⟩
/pʰ tʰ cʰ kʰ/ *⟨ph th ch kh⟩ ⟨bh dh zjh gh⟩
/s h/ *⟨s h⟩ ⟨z x⟩
/r l/ ⟨rh/Cr lh/Cl⟩ *⟨r l⟩
/w j/ ⟨wh jh⟩ *⟨w j⟩

/-m -n -ŋ -p -t -k/ ⟨m n ng p/b t/d k/g⟩

/i ɨ u e ɘ o ɛ ɜ ɔ æ ɑ/ ⟨i ý u é y ó e ø o ä a⟩
+ length ⟨ii iy ou ei ey ou ee eu oo ae ao⟩
/æi æɨ æu ɑi ɑɨ ɑu/ ⟨äi äu äo ae ai au⟩
[ɪ ɨ ʊ ɐ i ɨ u a] ⟨e i o a i y u a⟩

Low tones use the second option for their onset consonants and both breathy and creaky voice is marked with a following ⟨h⟩. The starred option for consonants is used outside the final syllable and for mid modal voice. If a mid modal syllable has a stop coda, than that will be of the other option to the onset, and it will be unambiguously mid.

ník ʔɪkʰæ̰m ʔɔ̤m nɪmikɐkʰæ̰m ʔṵ cʰǣp tʰɛ̀. cʰǣp cʰɑ̄ kín wóŋ hí ʔɛ̰ɛ hɐwóŋ sí ʔɔ̤m lǣ lɨ́ bɑ̰ ɗɾɛ̄k. nɑ̰ bɑ̰ cʰɑ̄ ɟḛe hɑ̀ mɐlḛk ʔɛ̰ɛ ɡɑ̄ bɑ̰ mæ̀. lɐgæ̀k ɲìit jɔ̀ɔ ʔṵ lɨ́ bɑ̰ ŋō tʰɑ̀ kòp sí. ʔakɐse̤k kɐɾúu wʊwóŋ jí ɾɑ̤ ɓɔ̄ɔk ʔṵ ɡɑ̄ bɑ̰ kɑ̤. hɑ̀ ʔḭ kɐkʰæ̰m cʰǣp kɑ̤ ʔɔ̤m lǣ hɑ̀ ɾɛ̰ɛ cɛ́ɛ kín nɨ̄ cʰǣp. lɔ̄ŋ ʔṵ hɐwóŋ cʰɑ̄ kamɪkín wʊwóŋ sí. ʔakɐse̤k cʰɑ̄ kamɪkín ɟɔ̤p ʔī ʔɐjɑ̄m ʔī wʊwóŋ sí. ɟū mɘ̤ cʰɑ̄ kǽ kɐkʰæ̰m wʊwóŋ kín ɟū ɟæ̀u sí. hɑ̀ cʰɑ́ jí ŋɑ́ hɐwóŋ hí jí ɾɑ̤ nɨ̄ ʔɛ́k mɘ̤ kɑ̤. ɓɔ̄ɔk cʰɑ́ cʰḭk ʔɐtʰḭm hí kɐse̤k sʊlæ̰i mɘ̤ kɑ̤. wóŋ ɗæ̰i ɟæ̀u ʔɛ̰ɛ hɐwóŋ tʰɑ̀ lɨ́ mḛ sí.
⟨Nhik qekhähm vohm nemikakhähm quh chäb dhe. Chäb cha kin whóng hi qeeh hawhóng si vohm lä lhý mbah ddrek. Nah mbah cha nceih xa malhehk qeeh nga mbah mä. Langäg ñiid joo quh lhý mbah gno tha gob si. Qakazéhg karhuu wowhóng jhi räh bbook quh nga mbah gah. Xa qih kakhäm chäb gah vohm lä xa rheeh cee kin ný chäb. Long quh hawhóng cha kamekin wowhóng si. Qakazehg cha kamekín nzjob qi qajam qi wowhòng si. Nzju nzjäo si. Xa cha jhi gnha hawhóng hi jhi rah ný qek myh kah. Bbook cha chihk qathihm hu kazehg solhäih myh gah. Whóng dtäi nzjäo qeeh hawhóng tha lhý mhéh si.⟩

Edit: fixed error. Bolded the change.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2025 12:50 pm
by Travis B.
That is a wacky orthography, I must say.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2025 6:41 pm
by Nortaneous
as Hluic

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <hm hn hny hng> / <m n ny ng>
/ɓ ɗ/ <pp tt> / <bb dd>
/b d ɟ ɡ/ <mp nt nc nk> / <br dr jr gr>
/p t c k ʔ/ <p t c k 0> / <pr tr cr kr r>
/pʰ tʰ cʰ kʰ/ <ph th ch kh> / <b d j g>
/s h/ <s h> / <sr hr>
/r l/ <hz hl> / <z l>
/w j/ <hw x> / <w y>

/-m -n -ŋ -p -t -k/ <m n ng b d g> / <mp nt nk p t k q>

/i ɨ u e ɘ o ɛ ɜ ɔ æ ɑ/ <i ue u e oe o ea aa ao ae a>
+ length <-h>
/æi æɨ æu ɑi ɑɨ ɑu/ <ei ee eu oi oo ou>
[ɪ ɨ ʊ ɐ a] <i ue u a a>
low: onset series 2
mid/high glottalic: onset series 1
high non-glottalic: -s
glottalic: coda series 2

/cʰǣp cʰɑ̄ kín wóŋ hí ʔɛ̰ɛ hɐwóŋ sí ʔɔ̤m lǣ lɨ́ bɑ̰ ɗɾɛ̄k. nɑ̰ bɑ̰ cʰɑ̄ ɟḛe hɑ̀ mɐlḛk ʔɛ̰ɛ ɡɑ̄ bɑ̰ mæ̀. lɐgæ̀k ɲìit jɔ̀ɔ ʔṵ lɨ́ bɑ̰ ŋō tʰɑ̀ kòp sí. ʔakɐse̤k kɐɾúu wʊwóŋ jí ɾɑ̤ ɓɔ̄ɔk ʔṵ ɡɑ̄ bɑ̰ kɑ̤. hɑ̀ ʔḭ kɐkʰæ̰m cʰǣp kɑ̤ ʔɔ̤m lǣ hɑ̀ ɾɛ̰ɛ cɛ́ɛ kín nɨ̄ cʰǣp. lɔ̄ŋ ʔṵ hɐwóŋ cʰɑ̄ kamɪkín wʊwóŋ sí. ʔakɐse̤k cʰɑ̄ kamɪkín ɟɔ̤p ʔī ʔɐjɑ̄m ʔī wʊwóŋ sí. ɟū mɘ̤ cʰɑ̄ kǽ kɐkʰæ̰m wʊwóŋ kín ɟū ɟæ̀u sí./
Chaeb cha kins wongs his ehq hawongs sis raomp hlae lis mpaq ttzeag. Naq braq cha nceah ha maleks eahs nca mpaqs mae. Lagraeg nyihd yaoh uq lues mpaqs hngo da krob sis. Akasrek kazuhs wuwongs yis zaq ppaog uq nka mpaq kra. Hra iq kakhaemp chaeb kraq raomp hlae zeahq ceahs kins hnue chaeb. Hlaong uq hawongs cha kamikins wuwongs sis. Akasrek cha kamikins jraop i axam i wuwongs sis. Ncu moeq cha kaes kakhaemp wuwongs kins ncu jreu sis.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2025 11:14 pm
by Travis B.
I tried my best to create a transcription that is both ASCII-compliant and sane.

/m n ɲ ŋ/ ⟨m n ny ng⟩
/ɓ ɗ/ ⟨b' d'⟩
/b d ɟ ɡ/ ⟨b d j g⟩
/p t c k ʔ/ ⟨p t c k 0⟩
/pʰ tʰ cʰ kʰ/ ⟨ph th ch kh⟩
/s h/ ⟨s h⟩
/r l/ ⟨r l⟩
/w j/ ⟨w y⟩

low/modal: /-m -n -ŋ -p -t -k -0/ ⟨rm rn rng rb rd rg r⟩
low/breathy: /-m -n -ŋ -p -t -k -0/ ⟨mh nh ngh bh dh gh h⟩
mid/modal : /-m -n -ŋ -p -t -k -0/ ⟨m n ng b d g 0⟩
high/modal: /-m -n -ŋ -p -t -k -0/ ⟨ms ns ngs ps ts ks s⟩
high/creaky: : /-m -n -ŋ -p -t -k -0/ ⟨'m 'n 'ng p t k '⟩

/i ɨ u e ɘ o ɛ ɜ ɔ æ ɑ/ ⟨i ui u e ue o ea oe oa ae a⟩
+ length ⟨ii uui uu ee uue oo eea ooe ooa aae aa⟩
/æi æɨ æu ɑi ɑɨ ɑu/ ⟨ei eui eu ai aui au⟩
[ɪ ɨ ʊ ɐ a] ⟨i ui u a a⟩

ník ʔɪkʰæ̰m ʔɔ̤m nɪmikɐkʰæ̰m ʔṵ cʰǣp tʰɛ̀. cʰǣp cʰɑ̄ kín wóŋ hí ʔɛ̰ɛ hɐwóŋ sí ʔɔ̤m lǣ lɨ́ bɑ̰ ɗɾɛ̄k. nɑ̰ bɑ̰ cʰɑ̄ ɟḛe hɑ̀ mɐlḛk ʔɛ̰ɛ ɡɑ̄ bɑ̰ mæ̀. lɐgæ̀k ɲìit jɔ̀ɔ ʔṵ lɨ́ bɑ̰ ŋō tʰɑ̀ kòp sí. ʔakɐse̤k kɐɾúu wʊwóŋ jí ɾɑ̤ ɓɔ̄ɔk ʔṵ ɡɑ̄ bɑ̰ kɑ̤. hɑ̀ ʔḭ kɐkʰæ̰m cʰǣp kɑ̤ ʔɔ̤m lǣ hɑ̀ ɾɛ̰ɛ cɛ́ɛ kín nɨ̄ cʰǣp. lɔ̄ŋ ʔṵ hɐwóŋ cʰɑ̄ kamɪkín wʊwóŋ sí. ʔakɐse̤k cʰɑ̄ kamɪkín ɟɔ̤p ʔī ʔɐjɑ̄m ʔī wʊwóŋ sí. ɟū mɘ̤ cʰɑ̄ kǽ kɐkʰæ̰m wʊwóŋ kín ɟū ɟæ̀u sí. hɑ̀ cʰɑ́ jí ŋɑ́ hɐwóŋ hí jí ɾɑ̤ nɨ̄ ʔɛ́k mɘ̤ kɑ̤. ɓɔ̄ɔk cʰɑ́ cʰḭk ʔɐtʰḭm hí kɐse̤k sʊlæ̰i mɘ̤ kɑ̤. wóŋ ɗæ̰i ɟæ̀u ʔɛ̰ɛ hɐwóŋ tʰɑ̀ lɨ́ mḛ sí.

Niks ikhae'm oamh nimikakhae'm u chaeb thear. Chaeb cha kins wongs his eea' hawongs sis oamh lae luis ba' d'reg. Na' ba' cha jee' har malek eea' ga ba' maer. Lagaerg nyiird yooar u luis ba' ngo thar korb sis. Akasegh karuus wuwongs yis rah b'ooag u ga ba' kah. Har i' kakhae'm chaeb kah oamh lae har reea' ceeas kins nui chaeb. Loang u hawongs cha kamikins wuwongs sis. Akasegh cha kamikins joabh i ayam i wuwongs sis. Ju mueh cha kaes kakhae'm wuwongs kins ju jeur sis. Har chas yis ngas hawongs his yis rah nui eaks mueh kah. B'ooag chas chik athi'm his kasegh sulei' mueh kah. Wongs d'ei' jeur eea' hawongs thar luis me' sis.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2025 10:22 am
by /ˌnɐ.ˈɾɛn.dɚ.ˌduːd/
/eːn mixiʃaː/

/m n/
/mː nː/
/p b t d k g/
/pː tː kː/
/ts tʃ cç/
/f v θ ð s ʃ x ɣ/
/fː θː sː ʃː xː/
/w l j/
/wː lː jː/

/a e i o u/
/aː eː iː oː uː/
/aːː eːː iːː oːː uːː/

max syllable structure is (C)(C)V(C). onset clusters can only consist of two voiceless obstruents or a nasal followed by any consonant, and may not contain a geminate. extra-long vowels can only occur in open syllables or word-final syllables.

Instead of a stress system, /mixiʃaː/ uses a pitch accent system. the pitch accent falls to the heaviest of the first two syllables in any given word, with initial bias, and then to every third post-pitch syllable.

sample text:

/la˥kt͡ʃawoːːs a˥ɣi o˥sumeːθːe at͡ʃuː˥maː aː˥msalkːuːl/
/fi˥vot͡ʃawna su˥msalkːuːl aː˥mjuːmaː se˥mlaːː mjeː˥θːe/
/mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k/

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2025 12:23 pm
by Lērisama
Ēn michixā

/m n/ ⟨m n⟩
/mː nː/ ⟨mm nn⟩
/p b t d k g/ ⟨p b t d k g⟩
/pː tː kː/ ⟨pp tt kk⟩
/ts tʃ cç/ ⟨ts tx tc⟩
/f v θ ð s ʃ x ɣ/ ⟨f v th dh s x ch gh⟩
/fː θː sː ʃː xː/ ⟨ff tth ss xx cch⟩
/w l j/ ⟨w l y⟩
/wː lː jː/ ⟨ww ll yy⟩

/a e i o u/ ⟨a e i o u⟩
/aː eː iː oː uː/ ⟨ā ē ī ō ū⟩
/aːː eːː iːː oːː uːː/ ⟨aa ee ii oo uu⟩

/la˥kt͡ʃawoːːs a˥ɣi o˥sumeːθːe at͡ʃuː˥maː aː˥msalkːuːl/
/fi˥vot͡ʃawna su˥msalkːuːl aː˥mjuːmaː se˥mlaːː mjeː˥θːe/
/mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k/

Laktxawoos aghi osumēthē atxūmā āmsalkkūl.
Fivotxawna sumalkkūl āmyūmā semlaa myētthe.
Mullak. Mullak. Mullak. Mullak. Mullak. Mullak. Mullak.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2025 12:32 pm
by Travis B.
/eːn mixiʃaː/ <én mihisjá>

/m n/ <m n>
/mː nː/ <mm nn>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/pː tː kː/ <pp tt kk>
/ts tʃ cç/ <z tj kj>
/f v θ ð s ʃ x ɣ/ <f v th dh s sj h gh>
/fː θː sː ʃː xː/ <ff tth ss ssj ch>
/w l j/ <w l j>
/wː lː jː/ <ww ll jj>

/a e i o u/ <a e i o u>
/aː eː iː oː uː/ <á é í ó ú>
/aːː eːː iːː oːː uːː/ <â ê î ô û>

As accentuation is not phonemic it is not marked.

/la˥kt͡ʃawoːːs a˥ɣi o˥sumeːθːe at͡ʃuː˥maː aː˥msalkːuːl/
/fi˥vot͡ʃawna su˥msalkːuːl aː˥mjuːmaː se˥mlaːː mjeː˥θːe/
/mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k/

Laktjawôs aghi osumétthe atjúmá ámsalkkúl.
Fivotjawna sumsalkkúl ámjúmá semlâ mjétthe.
Mullak. Mullak. Mullak. Mullak. Mullak. Mullak. Mullak.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2025 12:46 pm
by Starbeam
I appreciate it when people add stress systems to these hypothetical inventories. Likewise with allophony. Makes it much more plausible and therefore easier to work with.

Anyway:

Een Mihixaa

/m n w l j/ m n w l y
/m: n: w: l: j:/ mm nn ww ll yy
/p b t d k g/ p b t d k q
/p: t: k: ts tʃ cç/ pp tt kk ts tx kh
/f v θ ð s ʃ x ɣ/ f v c z s x h g
/fː θː sː ʃː xː/ ff cc ss xx hh
/a e i o u/ a e i o u
/aː eː iː oː uː/ aa ee ii oo uu, or a macron above a single vowel
/aːː eːː iːː oːː uːː/ aaa eee iii ooo uuu, or a plus sign above a single vowel

The pitch accent is regular, so it is unmarked.

/la˥kt͡ʃawoːːs a˥ɣi o˥sumeːθːe at͡ʃuː˥maː aː˥msalkːuːl/
/fi˥vot͡ʃawna su˥msalkːuːl aː˥mjuːmaː se˥mlaːː mjeː˥θːe/
/mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k || mulːa˥k/

Laktxawooos algi osumeecce atxuuma aamsalkkuul
Fivotxawna sumsalkkuul aamyuumaa semlaaa myeecce
Mullak mullak mullak mullak mullak mullak mullak. (seven mullaks for some reason)

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2025 2:15 pm
by Lērisama
Starbeam wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 12:46 pm Laktxawooos algi osumeecce atxuuma aamsalkkuul
Fivotxawna sumsalkkuul aamyuumaa semlaaa myeecce
Mullak mullak mullak mullak mullak mullak mullak. (seven mullaks for some reason)
I think it's the seven kill stele again.

Re: Romanization Challenge Thread v2.0

Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2025 4:07 pm
by /ˌnɐ.ˈɾɛn.dɚ.ˌduːd/
Lērisama wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 2:15 pm
Starbeam wrote: Fri Oct 24, 2025 12:46 pm Laktxawooos algi osumeecce atxuuma aamsalkkuul
Fivotxawna sumsalkkuul aamyuumaa semlaaa myeecce
Mullak mullak mullak mullak mullak mullak mullak. (seven mullaks for some reason)
I think it's the seven kill stele again.
yep, I seem drawn to using it every time I'm feeling out a new romanization or orthography. no clue why.