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Prenasalisation resolves into extrasyllabic vowels ([n m] > [ɐ ʊ]) before voiceless stops:

[ⁿdɔ̃:˩˧] - dóahn
[ɐt͡ski˧] - atski
[nɪrja˥] - niryá
[tno˧] - tno
[ɪpʰã:˧] - ipahn
[ɬʃi˧] - lhshi
[ɬsɒ:˧] - lhsaoh
[ⁿdɔ:j˩] - dòaih
[ʊptã˧] - uptan
[nʲt͡sʲi:˥] - nhtsíh

Addition of a prosthetic glottal stop before initial vowels.

[ⁿdɔ̃:˩˧] - dóahn
[ʔɐt͡ski˧] - atski
[nɪrja˥] - niryá
[tno˧] - tno
[ʔɪpʰã:˧] - ipahn
[ɬʃi˧] - lhshi
[ɬsɒ:˧] - lhsaoh
[ⁿdɔ:j˩] - dòaih
[ʔʊptã˧] - uptan
[nʲt͡sʲi:˥] - nhtsíh

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:38 pm Addition of a prosthetic glottal stop before initial vowels.

[ⁿdɔ̃:˩˧] - dóahn
[ʔɐt͡ski˧] - atski
[nɪrja˥] - niryá
[tno˧] - tno
[ʔɪpʰã:˧] - ipahn
[ɬʃi˧] - lhshi
[ɬsɒ:˧] - lhsaoh
[ⁿdɔ:j˩] - dòaih
[ʔʊptã˧] - uptan
[nʲt͡sʲi:˥] - nhtsíh

Stops lenite to fricatives in clusters

[ⁿdɔ̃:˩˧] - dóahn
[ʔɐt͡sxi˧] - atskhi
[nɪrja˥] - niryá
[tno˧] - tno
[ʔɪpʰã:˧] - ipahn
[ɬʃi˧] - lhshi
[ɬsɒ:˧] - lhsaoh
[ⁿdɔ:j˩] - dòaih
[ʔʊftã˧] - uphtan
[nʲt͡sʲi:˥] - nhtsíh

Loss of vowel length.

[ⁿdɔ̃˩˧] - dóan
[ʔɐt͡sxi˧] - atskhi
[nɪrja˥] - niryá
[tno˧] - tno
[ʔɪpʰã˧] - ipan
[ɬʃi˧] - lhshi
[ɬsɒ˧] - lhsao
[ⁿdɔj˩] - dòai
[ʔʊftã˧] - uphtan
[nʲt͡sʲi˥] - nhtsí

Vowels break to house contour tones.

[ⁿdõã˩˧] - dóan
[ʔɐt͡sxi˧] - atskhi
[nɪrja˥] - niryá
[tno˧] - tno
[ʔɪpʰã˧] - ipan
[ɬʃi˧] - lhshi
[ɬsɒ˧] - lhsao
[ⁿdɔj˩] - dòai
[ʔʊftã˧] - uphtan
[nʲt͡sʲi˥] - nhtsí

Loss of presyllables; where glottal stops were present in presyllables, they are lost and turn plosives into ejectives in following major syllable onsets into ejectives. Front vowels in presyllables palatalize the resulting new onsets, and rounded vowels in presyllables labialize them.

[ⁿdõã˩˧] - dóan
[t͡sʼxi˧] - atskhi
[nʲrʲja˥] - niryá
[tno˧] - tno
[pʲʼã˧] - ipan
[ɬʃi˧] - lhshi
[ɬsɒ˧] - lhsao
[ⁿdɔj˩] - dòai
[fʷtʷʼã˧] - uphtan
[nʲt͡sʲi˥] - nhtsí

Loss of nasal vowels:

[ⁿdoa˩˧] - dóa
[t͡sʼxi˧] - ts'khi
[nʲrʲja˥] - nryiá
[tno˧] - tno
[pʲʼa˧] - pya
[ɬʃi˧] - lhshi
[ɬsɒ˧] - lhsao
[ⁿdɔj˩] - dòai
[fʷtʷʼã˧] - phtwa
[nʲt͡sʲi˥] - nhtsyí

Palatisation of consonants before front vowels.

[ⁿdoa˩˧] - dóa
[t͡sʲʼxʲi˧] - ts'khi
[nʲrʲja˥] - nryiá
[tno˧] - tno
[pʲʼa˧] - pya
[ɬʲʃʲi˧] - lhshi
[ɬsɒ˧] - lhsao
[ⁿdɔj˩] - dòai
[fʷtʷʼa˧] - phtwa
[nʲt͡sʲi˥] - nhtsyí

Palatals resolve with degemination where geminates would otherwise occur: [tsʲ pʲ xʲ ɬʲ ʃ nʲ rʲ] > [cɕ cɕ ç ɕ ɕ ɲ j].

[ⁿdoa˩˧] - dóa
[cɕʼçi˧] - ch'khi
[ɲja˥] - nyiá
[tno˧] - tno
[cɕʼa˧] - cha
[ɕi˧] - shi
[ɬsɒ˧] - lhsao
[ⁿdɔj˩] - dòai
[fʷtʷʼa˧] - phtwa
[ɲcɕi˥] - nchí

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:34 pm Palatals resolve with degemination where geminates would otherwise occur: [tsʲ pʲ xʲ ɬʲ ʃ nʲ rʲ] > [cɕ cɕ ç ɕ ɕ ɲ j].

[ⁿdoa˩˧] - dóa
[cɕʼçi˧] - ch'khi
[ɲja˥] - nyiá
[tno˧] - tno
[cɕʼa˧] - cha
[ɕi˧] - shi
[ɬsɒ˧] - lhsao
[ⁿdɔj˩] - dòai
[fʷtʷʼa˧] - phtwa
[ɲcɕi˥] - nchí

I motion that we forbid changing consonants into alveolopalatals or palatals en masse.

It's an extremely common sound change.

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:57 pm It's an extremely common sound change.

Yes, but I'm growing tired of [cɕ ɕ ç].

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:15 pm

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:57 pm It's an extremely common sound change.

Yes, but I'm growing tired of [cɕ ɕ ç].

It seemed the best way to stabilise that clearly unstable inventory, especially since [ɬʲ ʃʲ] were both already present.

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:34 pm

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:15 pm

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 9:57 pm It's an extremely common sound change.

Yes, but I'm growing tired of [cɕ ɕ ç].

It seemed the best way to stabilise that clearly unstable inventory, especially since [ɬʲ ʃʲ] were both already present.

The thing is it's often too symmetrical-looking. E.g. in this case I might have done something like:

[tsʲ pʲ xʲ ɬʲ ʃ nʲ rʲ] > [tʃ pʲ ç ʃ ʃ ɲ ʒ]

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:48 pm

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:34 pm

Travis B. wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:15 pm

Yes, but I'm growing tired of [cɕ ɕ ç].

It seemed the best way to stabilise that clearly unstable inventory, especially since [ɬʲ ʃʲ] were both already present.

The thing is it's often too symmetrical-looking. E.g. in this case I might have done something like:

[tsʲ pʲ xʲ ɬʲ ʃ nʲ rʲ] > [tʃ pʲ ç ʃ ʃ ɲ ʒ]

The plain [ʃ] in the original sequence is a typo, it was [ʃʲ] (essentially [ɕ]) already, so I would expect the others to shift into a similar position rather than [ʃ] to depalatalise when there aren't any palatoalveolars present yet.

Oh boy Rounin Ryuuji is at it again with his palatals.

Chain shift of /cɕ/ → /ç/ → /s/ → /h/

[ⁿdoa˩˧] - dóa
[çʼsi˧] - ch'khi
[ɲja˥] - nyiá
[tno˧] - tno
[çʼa˧] - cha
[si˧] - shi
[ɬhɒ˧] - lhsao
[ⁿdɔj˩] - dòai
[fʷtʷʼa˧] - phtwa
[ɲçi˥] - nchí

[ⁿdoa˩˧] - dóa
[jʼsi˧] - y'khi
[ɲja˥] - nyiá
[tno˧] - tno
[jʼa˧] - y'a
[si˧] - shi
[ɬhɒ˧] - lhsao
[ⁿdɔj˩] - dòai
[fʷtʷʼa˧] - phtwa
[ɲji˥] - nyí

*ç > *j

/jʼ/ → /ʔʲ/

[ⁿdoa˩˧] - dóa
[ʔʲsi˧] - y'khi
[ɲja˥] - nyiá
[tno˧] - tno
[ʔʲa˧] - y'a
[si˧] - shi
[ɬhɒ˧] - lhsao
[ⁿdɔj˩] - dòai
[fʷtʷʼa˧] - phtwa
[ɲji˥] - nyí

Nasal + Consonant sequences yield new instances of prenasalisation: [ɲj tn] > [^ɲɟ ⁿd]

[ⁿdoa˩˧] - dóa
[ʔʲsi˧] - y'khi
[^ɲɟa˥] - gyá
[ⁿdo˧] - do
[ʔʲa˧] - qya
[si˧] - shi
[ɬhɒ˧] - lhsao
[ⁿdɔj˩] - dòai
[fʷtʷʼa˧] - phtwa
[^ɲɟi˥] - gyí