Zompist Bboard Again

Salmoneus wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:01 pm

<Ser> oye, pásame tu pack 'hey, can you send me your starter pack?' (where "starter pack" is a clothing attire)

I have never seen either 'pack' or 'starter pack' used in that sense in English. Although admittedly, teenage fashion discussions are something I don't have a lot of experience of.

Salmoneus wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:01 pm

<Ser> (in the same post) te reto, sashay away 'I challenge you, sashay away' ("sashay away" is a RuPaul expression meaning 'you're defeated, now walk like a proper sexy girl', sashay itself is a deformation of French enchanté since people get charmed by the sexy walk)

I seriously doubt the latter! It sounds like a folk etymology. [a) that's really semantically stressed, b) that's very mangled diachronics, and c) the 'sexy walk' meaning of 'sashay' is secondary; it can also just mean to move in a quick and lively manner, particularly to move sideways, particularly with a sense of freedom and ease. In England, it's not (all that) infrequently used to describe men playing sports]

Wiktionary and etymonline both have it from chassé, the name of a French dance move, via metathesis.

Salmoneus wrote:I'm not familiar with this particular phrase, but if it's a catchphrase of a specific US comedian I guess that would explain it. I'm not sure it really counts as "borrowing from English" if you're borrowing something from the idiosyncratic speech of a single English speaker, that most people wouldn't understand as having that meaning...

MacAnDàil wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:44 pmThe same metathesis is attested in Réunion Creole, especially among the local Highland poor whites, including in the word chécheresse.

MacAnDàil wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:29 amOther similar forms include [ʒyʃka] and [ʃaʃe].

Salmoneus wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:01 pm

<Ser> (in the same post) te reto, sashay away 'I challenge you, sashay away' ("sashay away" is a RuPaul expression meaning 'you're defeated, now walk like a proper sexy girl', sashay itself is a deformation of French enchanté since people get charmed by the sexy walk)

I seriously doubt the latter! It sounds like a folk etymology. [a) that's really semantically stressed, b) that's very mangled diachronics, and c) the 'sexy walk' meaning of 'sashay' is secondary; it can also just mean to move in a quick and lively manner, particularly to move sideways, particularly with a sense of freedom and ease. In England, it's not (all that) infrequently used to describe men playing sports]

Wiktionary and etymonline both have it from chassé, the name of a French dance move, via metathesis.

I'm not familiar with this particular phrase, but if it's a catchphrase of a specific US comedian I guess that would explain it. I'm not sure it really counts as "borrowing from English" if you're borrowing something from the idiosyncratic speech of a single English speaker, that most people wouldn't understand as having that meaning...

<Ser> Sorry not sorry, peros los ingenieros somos más en plan de: [Funcional > Estético]. 'Sorry but not sorry. We engineers are more of a [functional > aesthetic] mentality'

Interestingly, this is in my experience only something said by people in internet forums, who are just as likely not to be native speakers; it's not grammatical English.

Salmoneus wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:01 pmTo be fair, a lot of these either aren't exactly borrowings or aren't really from English...

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I think most of these borrowings are just, as it were, evanescent "coolth" markers, which have to be continually regenerated, and which as a result do indeed very often get borrowed from other language, but only a small number of which will leave any lasting impact, or else are technological terms for things that didn't yet have a fully established term in the language...

Salmoneus wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:56 amIt's horrific. Completely ungrammatical for me. I would assume non-native, or some sort of creole...

Salmoneus wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:56 am It's horrific. Completely ungrammatical for me. I would assume non-native, or some sort of creole...

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:27 pm “Calvin is sitting still now, staring at Dene mess with the recording equipment.”

missals wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:12 am I recently saw a reddit comment featuring "he literally post it on Facebook" - i.e. the past tense of post as post, not posted. This reflects an ongoing (centuries-long) trend of English verbs ending in /t/ and /d/ taking past tense forms identical to the stem. (I helped open the thread with a similar observation about the verb nut, but it got a cool reception...)