Natural languages and linguistics
Zju
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by Zju » Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:51 am
It may interest you to know that there are more than six vowel letters.
....no, don't tell me that <l> represents a vowel as well.
So would that be a seven vowel system? Don't know what to make out of <ukewyglhce>.
Many vowels, longish words, simple-ish syllable structure, no tones... some Bantu language?
ninja'd: Arawak? Mayan? I give up!
/j/ <j>
Ɂaləɂahina asəkipaɂə ileku omkiroro salka.
Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
bradrn
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by bradrn » Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:51 am
Nortaneous wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:48 am
bradrn wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:48 am
Nortaneous wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:45 am
It may interest you to know that there are more than six vowel letters.
I
knew it. The more I look at it, the more certain I become that ⟨l⟩ is a vowel here.
That's one of them.
‘Stakeholders were not aligned‘ must be the understatement of the year, then.
So, it’s not Asian or Pacific, it’s definitely not Australian and unlikely to be European… from the Americas?
Yes.
South America, perchance?
Nortaneous
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by Nortaneous » Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:52 am
Zju wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:51 am
It may interest you to know that there are more than six vowel letters.
....no, don't tell me that <l> represents a vowel as well.
So would that be a seven vowel system? Don't know what to make out of <ukewyglhce>.
The orthography is poorly described in the literature I have access to and doesn't correspond one-to-one with the modern linguistic transcription. I could be wrong, but I think there are nine and a half.
bradrn wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:51 am
‘Stakeholders were not aligned‘ must be the understatement of the year, then.
There were some policy issues.
South America, perchance?
No.
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
bradrn
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by bradrn » Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:57 am
Nortaneous wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:52 am
South America, perchance?
No.
It’s probably Central American, then. (By which I include countries from Mexico to Panama.)
Nortaneous
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by Nortaneous » Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:59 am
bradrn wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:57 am
Nortaneous wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:52 am
South America, perchance?
No.
It’s probably Central American, then. (By which I include countries from Mexico to Panama.)
North.
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
bradrn
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by bradrn » Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:02 am
Nortaneous wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:59 am
bradrn wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:57 am
It’s probably Central American, then. (By which I include countries from Mexico to Panama.)
North.
Huh.
Well, like I said, it’s getting late here. I’ll continue on guessing tomorrow (if no-one else has got it by then).
Zju
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by Zju » Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:18 am
Languages in the north part of NA tend to have few vowels, so could it be from California, perhaps? And languages of the east coast tend to be poorly documented.
/j/ <j>
Ɂaləɂahina asəkipaɂə ileku omkiroro salka.
Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
Nortaneous
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by Nortaneous » Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:46 am
Zju wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:18 am
Languages in the north part of NA tend to have few vowels, so could it be from California, perhaps? And languages of the east coast tend to be poorly documented.
It's not from California.
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
Zju
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by Zju » Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:23 pm
Is it a Siouan language? Alternatively, is it a language isolate, such as Tunica, Calusa or Takelma?
It doesn't look like it has long vowels or nasal vowels.
/j/ <j>
Ɂaləɂahina asəkipaɂə ileku omkiroro salka.
Loɂ ɂerleku asəɂulŋusikraɂə seləɂahina əɂətlahɂun əiŋɂiɂŋa.
Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ. Hərlaɂ.
Nortaneous
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by Nortaneous » Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:55 pm
Zju wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:23 pm
Is it a Siouan language?
Yes.
To make things faster, I'll say that <d> is also a vowel.
Duaj teibohnggoe kyoe' quaqtoeq lucj lhaj k'yoejdej noeyn tucj.
K'yoejdaq fohm q'ujdoe duaj teibohnggoen dlehq lucj.
Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq. Teijp'vq.
bradrn
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by bradrn » Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:07 pm
Nortaneous wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:55 pm
To make things faster, I'll say that <d> is also a vowel.
This gets worse and worse.
‘Mass literacy’ suggests that this is a reasonably widely-spoken language. Crow?
fusijui
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by fusijui » Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:02 pm
I know the answer (I think) but am not going to say, because the thread is too entertaining to cut short.
Nort is not only draining our precious cranial juices, but metabolizing them into dry humor.
Travis B.
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by Travis B. » Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:22 pm
Nortaneous wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:55 pm
Zju wrote: ↑ Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:23 pm
Is it a Siouan language?
Yes.
To make things faster, I'll say that <d> is also a vowel.
Oh dear gawd...
Yaaludinuya siima d'at yiseka wohadetafa gaare.
Ennadinut'a gaare d'ate eetatadi siiman.
T'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa t'awraa.