Conlang fluency thread

[bradrn]

Bal ngen qegsaam pawtiq tleŋ ndiyamŋu siphu!!! Bewaalh pawtiq tleŋ, bena mandaŋtsi ŋawat-qamese yam thaŋ ndiyamtsi siphu!

1s POSS exam all DEF.PL become-TEL finished!!! 1s=go all DEF.PL, 1s=thus pass-DIM year-half one DEF.SG become-DIM finished

All my exams are done!!! If I pass all of them, I only have one semester to go before I graduate!


Naa, mbagad kiŋkhew pawtiq tleŋmu, nduy qifas bal ngen yunefiilseti thaŋ, qimeqe ndiyamŋu quŋay phuum. Besiwi meqe qitham tlii yusaye sasay thaŋ. Qantana sil nii meqe kiŋkhew taway thaŋ, besiwe lheybuq nduy besiwe ŋey waq ŋay thaŋ maag.

and, tree ginkgo all DEF.PL=PST, REL 3s=stand 1s POSS university DEF.SG, 3s=leaf become.PFV-TEL yellow IDEO. 1s=take.PFV leaf some INDEF.PL come.PFV home DEF.SG. now=thus here COP leaf ginkgo five DEF.SG, 1s=have.IMPF knowledge REL 1s=take 3p do 3s DEF.SG NEG

Also, the leaves of all the ginkgo trees at my university have turned a beautiful yellow, and I took some leaves home. Now I have five ginkgo leaves at home and I have no idea what to do with them.

Wa i limu mya?
[wɐj ˈlɪmʊ mjɐ]

wa

2S

i

COP

limu

learn

mya

what.GEN

What are you studying?

Physics (just completed: quantum mechanics, electrodynamics and optics) and chemistry (just completed: analytical, medicinal).

[Imralu]

I zi nendwe nga u zwe nggyodi ya lo zyebi nyabadivwi ye kovidi wi nginwa.
[ɪ zɪ ˈnɛndwe ŋɐw zwɛ ˈŋɡjɔɾɪ jɐ lɔ ˌʒɛbɪ ˈɲɐbɐɾɪvwɪ jɛ ˈkɔvɪɾɪ wɪ ˈŋinwɑ]

i

COP

zi

RETₑ

ne-ndwe

undergoₐ-protectₐ

nga

GEN.1S

u

ADV

zwe

useₐ

nggyo-di

spear-smallₑ

ya

GEN

lo

situation

zye-bi

causeₐ-ceaseₐ

nya-ba-di-vwi

bug-extremeₑ-smallₑ-disgustingₑ

ye

ATTR

kovidi

Covid(LOAN)

u-i

ADV-COP

ngi-nwa

event-one

I got my first vaccination against covid.

Physics (just completed: quantum mechanics, electrodynamics and optics) and chemistry (just completed: analytical, medicinal).

I ho. Na i le.
[ɪ ˈhɔ | ˌnɐj ˈlɛ]

i

COP

ho

goodₑ

|

|

na

1S

i

COP

le

likeₐ

Cool. I like.

Naa, mbagad kiŋkhew pawtiq tleŋmu, nduy qifas bal ngen yunefiilseti thaŋ, qimeqe ndiyamŋu quŋay phuum. Besiwi meqe qitham tlii yusaye sasay thaŋ. Qantana sil nii meqe kiŋkhew taway thaŋ, besiwe lheybuq nduy besiwe ŋey waq ŋay thaŋ maag.

and, tree ginkgo all DEF.PL=PST, REL 3s=stand 1s POSS university DEF.SG, 3s=leaf become.PFV-TEL yellow IDEO. 1s=take.PFV leaf some INDEF.PL come.PFV home DEF.SG. now=thus here COP leaf ginkgo five DEF.SG, 1s=have.IMPF knowledge REL 1s=take 3p do 3s DEF.SG NEG

Also, the leaves of all the ginkgo trees at my university have turned a beautiful yellow, and I took some leaves home. Now I have five ginkgo leaves at home and I have no idea what to do with them.

(HE) MO ZY'WE!
[(hɛ) ˈmɔ ʒwɛ]

(he)

(JUSSₑ)

mo

consumeₐ

zyi

DEFₑ.GEN

we

PLₑ

EAT THEM!

[bradrn]

Naa, mbagad kiŋkhew pawtiq tleŋmu, nduy qifas bal ngen yunefiilseti thaŋ, qimeqe ndiyamŋu quŋay phuum. Besiwi meqe qitham tlii yusaye sasay thaŋ. Qantana sil nii meqe kiŋkhew taway thaŋ, besiwe lheybuq nduy besiwe ŋey waq ŋay thaŋ maag.

and, tree ginkgo all DEF.PL=PST, REL 3s=stand 1s POSS university DEF.SG, 3s=leaf become.PFV-TEL yellow IDEO. 1s=take.PFV leaf some INDEF.PL come.PFV home DEF.SG. now=thus here COP leaf ginkgo five DEF.SG, 1s=have.IMPF knowledge REL 1s=take 3p do 3s DEF.SG NEG

Also, the leaves of all the ginkgo trees at my university have turned a beautiful yellow, and I took some leaves home. Now I have five ginkgo leaves at home and I have no idea what to do with them.

(HE) MO ZY'WE!
[(hɛ) ˈmɔ ʒwɛ]

(he)

(JUSSₑ)

mo

consumeₐ

zyi

DEFₑ.GEN

we

PLₑ

EAT THEM!

Begadqii meqe tlii? Nduy bewaalhi qunden siwe ŋay? Naambey bal nii, khayan?

1s=eat leaf INDEF.PL? REL 1s=go ground take 3s? what=Q 1s COP, possum?

Eat leaves? Which I picked up off the ground? What am I, a possum?

[Rounin Ryuuji]

Naa, mbagad kiŋkhew pawtiq tleŋmu, nduy qifas bal ngen yunefiilseti thaŋ, qimeqe ndiyamŋu quŋay phuum. Besiwi meqe qitham tlii yusaye sasay thaŋ. Qantana sil nii meqe kiŋkhew taway thaŋ, besiwe lheybuq nduy besiwe ŋey waq ŋay thaŋ maag.

and, tree ginkgo all DEF.PL=PST, REL 3s=stand 1s POSS university DEF.SG, 3s=leaf become.PFV-TEL yellow IDEO. 1s=take.PFV leaf some INDEF.PL come.PFV home DEF.SG. now=thus here COP leaf ginkgo five DEF.SG, 1s=have.IMPF knowledge REL 1s=take 3p do 3s DEF.SG NEG

Also, the leaves of all the ginkgo trees at my university have turned a beautiful yellow, and I took some leaves home. Now I have five ginkgo leaves at home and I have no idea what to do with them.

(HE) MO ZY'WE!
[(hɛ) ˈmɔ ʒwɛ]

(he)

(JUSSₑ)

mo

consumeₐ

zyi

DEFₑ.GEN

we

PLₑ

EAT THEM!

Begadqii meqe tlii? Nduy bewaalhi qunden siwe ŋay? Naambey bal nii, khayan?

1s=eat leaf INDEF.PL? REL 1s=go ground take 3s? what=Q 1s COP, possum?

Eat leaves? Which I picked up off the ground? What am I, a possum?

雨書: 考れず！
風書:「いゑれず！」
狼間書: Iwerezu!
[i.ʋé̞ˑ.ɾ̪é̞.z̪ʉ̀ᵝ]
think/believe.EXCLAMATORY.NEGATIVE
"I should think not!"

雨書: せけれがら、其葉ら 奇しみ 之間も へい？
風書:「せけれがら、せい゙はら ゆつくしめ いまも？」
狼間書: Sekyore-kara, seppara yukkuschemi imamo he?
[s̪è̞.c͡çi̯ó̞ᵝˑ.ɾ̪é̞.kɐ̞̀.ɾ̪ɐ̞̀ | s̪è̞p.pɐ̞́.ɾ̪ɐ̞́ jỳᵝ.kʉ́ʉ́ᵝ.ʃɘ̥̆̀.mᶣí ì.mɐ̞́.mó̞ᵝ çé]
MESIAL-DEMONSTRATIVE.LOC.PRONOMINALISER.-leaf MESIAL-DEMONSTRATIVE.leaf.DEFINITE-PLURAL pretty.INFINITIVE now.NEGATIVE-CONJECTURAL QUESTION-PARTICLE
"Oh, but on that note, are the leaves (still) pretty?"

[bradrn]

雨書: せけれがら、其葉ら 奇しみ 之間も へい？
風書:「せけれがら、せい゙はら ゆつくしめ いまも？」
狼間書: Sekyore-kara, seppara yukkuschemi imamo he?
[s̪è̞.c͡çi̯ó̞ᵝˑ.ɾ̪é̞.kɐ̞̀.ɾ̪ɐ̞̀ | s̪è̞p.pɐ̞́.ɾ̪ɐ̞́ jỳᵝ.kʉ́ʉ́ᵝ.ʃɘ̥̆̀.mᶣí ì.mɐ̞́.mó̞ᵝ çé]
MESIAL-DEMONSTRATIVE.LOC.PRONOMINALISER.-leaf MESIAL-DEMONSTRATIVE.leaf.DEFINITE-PLURAL pretty.INFINITIVE now.NEGATIVE-CONJECTURAL QUESTION-PARTICLE
"Oh, but on that note, are the leaves (still) pretty?"

Beba suqeg ŋiifeŋel, ŋiidaw nduy fas mbagad thaŋ tshaal ŋay.

1s=still like 3p-colour, 3p-nice REL stand tree DEF.SG leave 3s

I still like their colour, but they looked nicer on the tree.

[Imralu]

Begadqii meqe tlii? Nduy bewaalhi qunden siwe ŋay? Naambey bal nii, khayan?

1s=eat leaf INDEF.PL? REL 1s=go ground take 3s? what=Q 1s COP, possum?

Eat leaves? Which I picked up off the ground? What am I, a possum?

Ze. Wa i ngo, do he zyembwi zy'we u zwezwa wi zi zyu wa i mo zy'we.
[ˈzɛ | ˌwɐj ˈŋɔ | dɔ hɛ ˈʒɛmbwɪ ʒwɛw ˈzwɛzwɐ wɪ ˈzɪ ʒʊ ˌwɐj ˈmɔ ʒwɛ]
No. You're a human, so wash them before you eat them.

[bradrn]

Begadqii meqe tlii? Nduy bewaalhi qunden siwe ŋay? Naambey bal nii, khayan?

1s=eat leaf INDEF.PL? REL 1s=go ground take 3s? what=Q 1s COP, possum?

Eat leaves? Which I picked up off the ground? What am I, a possum?

Ze. Wa i ngo, do he zyembwi zy'we u zwezwa wi zi zyu wa i mo zy'we.
[ˈzɛ | ˌwɐj ˈŋɔ | dɔ hɛ ˈʒɛmbwɪ ʒwɛw ˈzwɛzwɐ wɪ ˈzɪ ʒʊ ˌwɐj ˈmɔ ʒwɛ]
No. You're a human, so wash them before you eat them.

Waꞵiŋkrazothemiŋ? Thētrət waꞵimisothēm, chiŋkō waꞵiŋkrawɨmpazothem.
/ˈwaβiˌŋkrazoˌɹemiŋ ‖ ˈɹeːʈət ˈwaβiˌmisoˌɹeːm | ɰiˈŋkoː ˈwaβiˌŋkrawɨˌmpazoɹem/

|ɨʷ-wə-ꞵiⁿ-krə-sə-otem-ɨŋ?

3NP.O-1SG.A-PL-IRR-ABIL-eat-Q?

thētrət

lettuce

ɨʷ-wə-ꞵiⁿ-wɨⁿ-sə-otem,

3NP.O-1SG.A-PL-HAB-ABIL-eat,

chiŋko

ginkgo

ɨʷ-wə-ꞵiⁿ-krə-wɨⁿ-mpə-sə-otem|

3NP.O-1SG.A-PL-IRR-HAB-NEG-ABIL-eat

Is ginkgo even edible? Lettuce, yes, but not ginkgo.

(And even if it is, I don’t think it’s so edible anymore after being pressed under a book for three days…)

[Imralu]

Is ginkgo even edible? Lettuce, yes, but not ginkgo.

(And even if it is, I don’t think it’s so edible anymore after being pressed under a book for three days…)

Ndwa. Na i zi mo vye lya ya Ginggo, gwe na i ze nwo.
Yes. I have eaten Ginkgo leaves before and I'm not dead.

Mye dwe i zi myu.
They were green though.

[Nortaneous]

Waꞵiŋkrazothemiŋ? Thētrət waꞵimisothēm, chiŋkō waꞵiŋkrawɨmpazothem.
/ˈwaβiˌŋkrazoˌɹemiŋ ‖ ˈɹeːʈət ˈwaβiˌmisoˌɹeːm | ɰiˈŋkoː ˈwaβiˌŋkrawɨˌmpazoɹem/

|ɨʷ-wə-ꞵiⁿ-krə-sə-otem-ɨŋ?

3NP.O-1SG.A-PL-IRR-ABIL-eat-Q?

thētrət

lettuce

ɨʷ-wə-ꞵiⁿ-wɨⁿ-sə-otem,

3NP.O-1SG.A-PL-HAB-ABIL-eat,

chiŋko

ginkgo

ɨʷ-wə-ꞵiⁿ-krə-wɨⁿ-mpə-sə-otem|

3NP.O-1SG.A-PL-IRR-HAB-NEG-ABIL-eat

Is ginkgo even edible? Lettuce, yes, but not ginkgo.

jihma nyoemhlaehnyila, yoet wongya kuhla ggwexak ggowabahlaehnyila chueni
[ⁿȡim̥ɔ ɲɤmɬæɲ̥ilɔ jɤd βʊŋjɔ kkuɬɔ ɠweçɔg ɠoβɔⁿbɔɬæɲ̥ilɔ ȶʰɯnˠi]
Ginkgo seeds are edible, but the leaves aren't, although they're what you make into extract.

[Rounin Ryuuji]

jihma nyoemhlaehnyila, yoet wongya kuhla ggwexak ggowabahlaehnyila chueni
[ⁿȡim̥ɔ ɲɤmɬæɲ̥ilɔ jɤd βʊŋjɔ kkuɬɔ ɠweçɔg ɠoβɔⁿbɔɬæɲ̥ilɔ ȶʰɯnˠi]
Ginkgo seeds are edible, but the leaves aren't, although they're what you make into extract.

ほっい、恐しい 語 在り！高しい！
「ほっい、をそしい いふ あり！たかしい！」
Hoi, wososhi iyu ari! Takashi !
[xó̞ᵝˑì | ʋò̞ᵝ.s̪ó̞ᵝˑ.ɕí íˑ.jỳᵝ ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì || t̪ɐ̞́ˑ.kɐ̞̀.ɕí]
EXCLAMATORY-PARTICLE scary.ATTRIBUTIVE language COPULA.PREDICATIVE. high.PREDICATIVE!
"Wow, that's a scary language! Cool!"

銀杏の 葉ら 食𛀁物が 在れず。
「しよつればしはの はら は𛀁もどが あれず。」
Shobashiya-no hara haemodo-ga arezu.
[ɕò̞ò̞ᵝ.bɐ̞́ˑ.ɕí.jɐ̞̀ n̪͜ò̞ᵝ xɐ̞́.ɾ̪ɐ̞̀ xɐ̞̀è̞.mó̞ᵝ.d̪ò̞ᵝ gɐ̞̀ ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪è̞.z̪ʉ̀ᵝ]
silver.aprocot.GENITIVE leaf.DEFINITE-PLURAL eat.thing.INDEFINITE copula.INFLECTIONAL-STEM.NEGATIVE
"Ginko leaves aren't food."

Notes:

• 銀杏 shōbashiya, literally "silver apricot" is a calque from Japanese; Ginko trees aren't a native plant in-setting, so I didn't have a word for them handy;
• The element 銀 shō, Proto-Tinasan-Ineshîmé *siyo, likely related to 皓 shiro ("brilliant white, very bright white"), initially a bound element in 銀鍊 ("shōgane"), in which form it is still frequently seen; compare 皓鍊 shirogane, cognate to Japanese 銀 shirogane ("silver"), but now referring to platinum;
• The element 杏, as a standalone pashiya, Early Ineshîmé pashiha, Old Tinasan pasiha, is probably an Indo-European borrowing, note Greek melon persikon; internally, however, it may stem from a form *pàsí pá > *basifa > pasifa, pasiha (f > h was common dialectally in early Tinasan), with the first element meaning "bridge, crossing, steps" and the second probably from the first element in Proto-Tinasan-Ineshîmé *pàrá "field" — originally a place name Pàsípárà > Pàsípá, where such fruits were grown; the form would yield expected *bashiya, the initial devoicing being probably analogical;
• 食𛀁 hae is the stem of the verb 食𛀁る haeru "be edible", a transitive-switched form of 食ゆ hayu "eat"; the initial element of Proto-Tinasan-Ineshîmé *páyo2-u is probably cognate with *pá "leaf", Proto-Japonic *pa "leaf, tooth, edge, blade, feather(?)"; the element is also used on its own to mean "food"; other forms include 食𛀁方 haegata (once formal, using the polite pronoun suffix 方 kata, -gata, literally "direction"), 喰 keuil ("thing put in one's mouth"), 喰𛀁る keuyeru ("to put in one's mouth"), 喰𛀁う keuyeu ("to gobble up"), all having a vaguely childish tone to them.

[Nortaneous]

jihma nyoemhlaehnyila, yoet wongya kuhla ggwexak ggowabahlaehnyila chueni
[ⁿȡim̥ɔ ɲɤmɬæɲ̥ilɔ jɤd βʊŋjɔ kkuɬɔ ɠweçɔg ɠoβɔⁿbɔɬæɲ̥ilɔ ȶʰɯnˠi]
Ginkgo seeds are edible, but the leaves aren't, although they're what you make into extract.

ほっい、恐しい 語 在り！高しい！
「ほっい、をそしい いふ あり！たかしい！」
Hoi, wososhi iyu ari! Takashi !
[xó̞ᵝˑì | ʋò̞ᵝ.s̪ó̞ᵝˑ.ɕí íˑ.jỳᵝ ɐ̞́ˑ.ɾ̪ʲì || t̪ɐ̞́ˑ.kɐ̞̀.ɕí]
EXCLAMATORY-PARTICLE scary.ATTRIBUTIVE language COPULA.PREDICATIVE. high.PREDICATIVE!
"Wow, that's a scary language! Cool!"

gae tu yuhmun hngoelsue hmaggwyolya ang?
[ⁿgæ ttu jum̥un ŋ̊ɤlsɯ m̥ɔɠɥɵjɔɔŋ]
gae tu ru-hmun n\hoel-tsɿ̀ hma-r-ggwi-bo-lya oeng
what EGO.PFV 2.DAT AUG\scared-ness ∃DAT-2.DAT-VEN-CAUS-go.3 Q
What's so scary about it?

(the plosive series are prenasal, implosive, aspirate, and fortis; r > j initially and 0 finally in this dialect, and l > 0 / _i _j)

[Rounin Ryuuji]

(the plosive series are prenasal, implosive, aspirate, and fortis; r > j initially and 0 finally in this dialect, and l > 0 / _i _j)

其れが。
「せれが」
Sere-ga.
[s̪é̞ˑ.ré̞.gɐ̞̀]
MESIAL-DEMONSTRATIVE.PRONOMINALISER.INDEFINITE
"That."

[Karch]

Lsuh ñmanf dvqmin ñkefttit' kvtañb kkuñf. Ñahrkhvn-dñatf ñmvn ñtutf'.
[ˈɬú ˈŋmàn ˈʈʰɨ̌ːmɪn ˈŋɡètɪˀt xəˈd̥àːŋ ˈkːùŋ || ˈŋárʁənˌʈŋàt ˈŋmàn ˈŋdùˀt]
lsú ñ-màn thï̀ḯmun ñ-ke-ttù'-t ke-tàañ kkùñ || ñárqan-thñàt ñ-màn ñ-ttù'-t
Hlu CL4-TOP fear CL4-NEG-hold-PRS NEG-man NEG.thing || Nargun-speech CL4-TOP CL4-hold-PRS
Hlu isn't scary at all. Mhra, however, is.
(Half of this scariness however comes from the "working orthography" (scare quotes since I'm actually satisfied with it, unlike all the other attempts), which is basically an adaptation of Nort's Pan-Swampish Phonetic Alphabet.)

[bradrn]

Is ginkgo even edible? Lettuce, yes, but not ginkgo.

(And even if it is, I don’t think it’s so edible anymore after being pressed under a book for three days…)

Ndwa. Na i zi mo vye lya ya Ginggo, gwe na i ze nwo.
Yes. I have eaten Ginkgo leaves before and I'm not dead.

Mye dwe i zi myu.
They were green though.

Khapekhap, baawaq siwe lheybuq.

surprise.IDEO, 1p=do have knowledge

Well well well, we live and learn.

(Half of this scariness however comes from the "working orthography" (scare quotes since I'm actually satisfied with it, unlike all the other attempts), which is basically an adaptation of Nort's Pan-Swampish Phonetic Alphabet.)

Sikbey fas naal?

this=Q stand where?

Is this [documented] anywhere?

[masako]

this=Q stand where?

tatsi kue semye ka
Standing is like annotation?

[bradrn]

this=Q stand where?

tatsi kue semye ka
Standing is like annotation?

Not at all. fas is a locative verb, with the core meaning of ‘stand at a place’. So Sikbey fas naal means ‘Is this anywhere?’; the ‘documented’ is recoverable from context (hence the square brackets).

[Imralu]

this=Q stand where?

tatsi kue semye ka
Standing is like annotation?

I go hindo u lu zyenge Dyamani.
COP similar DEM-way ADV located language Germany
It's kind of like that in German.

Was steht auf dem Schild?
what stand.PRES.3S on DEF.NEUT.DAT sign
What does the sign say.

Wo steht das?
where stand.PRES.3S that.NOM
Where does it say that?

[bradrn]

this=Q stand where?

tatsi kue semye ka
Standing is like annotation?

I go hindo u lu zyenge Dyamani.
COP similar DEM-way ADV located language Germany
It's kind of like that in German.

Was steht auf dem Schild?
what stand.PRES.3S on DEF.NEUT.DAT sign
What does the sign say.

Wo steht das?
where stand.PRES.3S that.NOM
Where does it say that?

…and yet again, I discover another unexpected polysemy which in hindsight is completely understandable. Thanks for these examples!

(I’m not even going to try translating that into a conlang…)

[Imralu]

…and yet again, I discover another unexpected polysemy which in hindsight is completely understandable. Thanks for these examples!

(I’m not even going to try translating that into a conlang…)

Wa i zi nozyo zyi zu o ze me.
2S COP RET invent GEN.DEF.3S same ADV NEG accompany
You invented the same thing independently.

(I just came up with the word for "invent" and it is give-head, lmao.)

[Karch]

Sikbey fas naal?
this=Q stand where?
Is this [documented] anywhere?

Most of the documentation is on a private discord server, however I've been slowly porting stuff over to Anthologica.