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Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 7:37 pm
by bradrn
Nortaneous wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 7:36 pm
this orthography is complicated but I tried
De̠ha̠n ka ge̠, c'lak ge̠ a wa̠ni 'a̠ra̠mn a̠n e̠se̠. Kan 'e̠s co ge̠ nanze'o Tukkuwa. Gam c'pask dkal dkala. Unwa tubala̠m dwiri. Daava̠nl wel anetana, nanze'o Zo̠o̠re. A unoka, male tuhan a̠n rig baa cetaco. To̠, ase ula a uhan ugo̠tte gwe̠l ka̠nka̠n lo̠gine, ugiiti, ubala̠mta dwiri, uhata uhwa. Sai kaa ge kullun ho̠dune, kullun ho̠dune. A icetain a̠n d'hwen, abala̠mka a̠n'a neta v'ru, nanze neta unl Zo̠o̠re. Cetaco rega̠dko kaana, utat bo̠ neta v'ru a̠n k'ta̠a̠sna̠. A utatin neta v'ru a̠n k'ta̠a̠sna, rema̠n wo̠mk k'usipk ta̠m k'gwe̠le̠, natat bo̠ ka ge̠ neta v'ru a̠n k'ta̠a̠sna, ukana. Ato̠uz a'soma, agyiuz n u'bu. Aagyitin n u'bu, cet zanta bo̠ uhava uze, "Zo̠o̠r, i ye̠ ka n ciin kavo, a̠n s'ta̠ngla̠ tahna?" Uze, "za dai i cet a̠n taina̠m de̠e̠de̠ da, rema̠n gwe̠l i'ru da? Ay mhivka̠'u gwe̠le̠." Cbala̠msa ka ge̠, cke̠ka̠l ge̠. He̠, i male tu'ema. Cnapk ay i 'un.
Michif? Or if not, is it some other mixed or creole language?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 7:38 pm
by Nortaneous
bradrn wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 7:37 pm
Michif? Or if not, is it some other mixed or creole language?
no
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 7:40 pm
by bradrn
Nortaneous wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 7:38 pm
bradrn wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 7:37 pm
Michif? Or if not, is it some other mixed or creole language?
no
I thought so, but figured it was worth a guess. OK then… Is it a North American language? (I don’t have much confidence in this guess either, but I can’t think of anything better.)
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 7:58 pm
by Nortaneous
bradrn wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 7:40 pm
Is it a North American language?
no
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 6:09 am
by Frislander
African?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 7:09 pm
by Nortaneous
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 7:28 pm
by bradrn
Is it Nilo-Saharan? If not, then I’m pretty sure it’s Chadic.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 7:37 pm
by Nortaneous
bradrn wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 7:28 pm
Is it Nilo-Saharan? If not, then I’m pretty sure it’s Chadic.
neither
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 6:00 am
by Frislander
Cushitic?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 1:32 pm
by Birdlang
Is it Iraqw?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 1:45 pm
by Karch
C'lela? If not, it's definitely a Plateau language.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 10:21 pm
by Nortaneous
Karch wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 1:45 pm
C'lela?
yes
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 12:08 pm
by Karch
Mystery language wrote:waminá kawičí nawésama éči kapitáni jeanée: buwirási siˀnéami mapoˀná éči warubéra simínama. gará wačinási buwé. arí bičé waminá kawičí we gará nawéska pagóri éči juáni. arí bičé bačá nawésari mapurigá siˀnéami aučé siˀnú garabéara ˀnatáma mapurigá wikáwarami níima mapurigá we čáti orári.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 7:15 pm
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 12:08 pm
Mystery language wrote:waminá kawičí nawésama éči kapitáni jeanée: buwirási siˀnéami mapoˀná éči warubéra simínama. gará wačinási buwé. arí bičé waminá kawičí we gará nawéska pagóri éči juáni. arí bičé bačá nawésari mapurigá siˀnéami aučé siˀnú garabéara ˀnatáma mapurigá wikáwarami níima mapurigá we čáti orári.
Alright, so… This uses both ⟨ˀn⟩ and ⟨č⟩, suggesting some variant of Americanist notation, and the presence of at least one glottalised nasal. Is it Penutian?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 7:30 pm
by Pabappa
Well, the only j's in the entire passage are in what looks like the names Jean and Juan, and one of those is preceded by a word that looks a lot like "captain", so .... my first thought was that it was spoken somewhere on the border between French and Spanish speaking territories, probably by the sea .... but that isnt helping me since the languages spoken in e.g. Guyana seem to look nothing like this. Also, the only cluster in the entire text is /sk/. I have never seen a language that has /ˀn/ without having at least one other glottalized consonant, so unless this is a very selectively chosen text, that is probably the biggest clue we have.
As usual Im completely stumped, ... I can only notice the patterns.
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 12:31 am
by Nortaneous
Is it spoken in South America?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 4:11 am
by Karch
It's neither Penutian nor spoken in South America, though it's spoken in a Spanish-speaking country
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 4:12 am
by bradrn
Karch wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 4:11 am
It's neither Penutian nor spoken in South America, though it's spoken in a Spanish-speaking country
Is it from Mesoamerica, then?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 8:56 am
by Frislander
Oto-Manguean?
Re: Name That Language!
Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 10:42 am
by Karch
It is from Mesoamerica, but it isn't Oto-Manguean.