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Imralu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:26 pm Wi nyogya zi do na i zodu o lu buvya. Na i zo hi u zwe dyazowe. Wi nyo zyu na i lindwo do i zwani. I ho u lo lu buvya wi nyogya wi zwani.

wi

ADV-COP

nyogya

night

zi

RETₑ

do

thus

na

1S

i

COP

zodu

walkₐ

o

ADV

lu

LOCATEDₑ

buvya

forest

.

na

1S

i

COP

zo

moveₐ

hi

DEMₑ

u

ADV

zwe

useₐ

dyazowe

bus

wi

ADV-COP

nyo

time

zyu

GEN.C

na

1S

i

COP

lindwo

go.outsideₐ

do

thus

i

COP

zwani

rain

i

COP

ho

goodₑ

u

ADV

lo

situation

lu

locatedₑ

buvya

forest

wi

ADV-COP

nyogya

night

wi

ADV-COP

zwani

rain

.
I went for a walk in the forest last night. I went there by bus. When I got off the bus. it was raining. It is nice to be in the forest at nighttime in the rain.

|naⁿ-tramə-nu-təna-it

DIST-forest-LOC-go-NMLZ

əʷ-wə-pe-weʷ-iɲem.

3s.O-1s.A-NP-HAB-like

sitni

Sydney

əʷ-əʷ-rəʷ-pe-weʷ-nu-tham-kəŋ

3s.O-3s.IO-3s.A-NP-HAB-LOC-is-OBJ

əʷ-əʷ-rəʷ-pe-riaʷ-nu-tham|

3s.O-3s.IO-3s.A-NP-INT-LOC-is

|nīm

here

iʷ-riaʷ-naⁿ-sathe-wat:

3ns.A-INT-DIST-flower-do:

wothu,

wattle,

pəŋksiya,

banksia,

sɨmpɨtiyəm,

cymbidium,

ˡ=sathe

3s.POSS=flower

rəʷ-weʷ-weꞵa-chaꞵa-kɨ,

3s.A-HAB-hair-resemble-AGT,

əʷ-tha-kiep-kɨ.

3s.O-INCH-fenestrated-AGT

əʷ-wə-pe-riaʷ-naⁿ-iɲem|

3s.O-1s.A-NP-INT-DIST-like

bradrn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:22 amNīm yērasathēwat: wothū, Paŋksiyā, Sɨmpithiyam, zathē rəwēweꞵāchaꞵāchɨ, thēchepkɨ. Waꞵerēraniɲēm.
/niːm ˈjeːrasaˌɹeːwat | woˈɹuː | ˈpaŋk.siˌjaː | sɨˈmpiɹiˌjam | zaˈɹeː rəˈweːweˌβaːɰaˌβaːɰɨ | ˈɹeːɰep.kɨ ‖ ˈwaβeˌreːraniˌɲeːm/

|nīm

here

iʷ-riaʷ-naⁿ-sathe-wat:

3ns.A-INT-DIST-flower-do:

wothu,

wattle,

pəŋksiya,

banksia,

sɨmpɨtiyəm,

cymbidium,

ˡ=sathe

3s.POSS=flower

rəʷ-weʷ-weꞵa-chaꞵa-kɨ,

3s.A-HAB-hair-resemble-AGT,

əʷ-tha-kiep-kɨ.

3s.O-INCH-fenestrated-AGT

əʷ-wə-pe-riaʷ-naⁿ-iɲem|

3s.O-1s.A-NP-INT-DIST-like

Everything is flowering here: wattle, Banksia, Cymbidium, bottlebrush tree, swiss-cheese plant. It is very pretty.


(Note on plant names: wothū, Paŋksiyā and Sɨmpithiyam are phonetic loans, zathē rəwēweꞵāchaꞵāchɨ is a calque, and thēchepkɨ is native.)

na

1S

i

COP

mu

knowₐ

zyi

GEN.DEFₑ

va

allₑ

hi

DEMₑ

dyi

word

vya

plant

gwe

and

zyi

GEN.DEFₑ

ndo

way

zyu

GEN.C

dwe

DEF.PLₑ

i

COP

nevwe

be.seenₐ

mye

but

na

1S

i

COP

nyembo

still.nowₑ

ze

NEGₑ

mu

knowₐ

zyu

GEN.C

ma

what

vyada

tree

ye

ATTR

luna

here.1ₑ

ye

ATTR

lu

locatedₑ

Yudopo

Europe

i

COP

ne

haveₐ

ma

what

dyi

word

.

.

Rounin Ryuuji wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:03 pm "Is that a(nother) Japonic language?"

Imralu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:45 am

na

1S

i

COP

mu

knowₐ

zyi

GEN.DEFₑ

va

allₑ

hi

DEMₑ

dyi

word

vya

plant

gwe

and

zyi

GEN.DEFₑ

ndo

way

zyu

GEN.C

dwe

DEF.PLₑ

i

COP

nevwe

be.seenₐ

mye

but

na

1S

i

COP

nyembo

still.nowₑ

ze

NEGₑ

mu

knowₐ

zyu

GEN.C

ma

what

vyada

tree

ye

ATTR

luna

here.1ₑ

ye

ATTR

lu

locatedₑ

Yudopo

Europe

i

COP

ne

haveₐ

ma

what

dyi

word

.

.

I know all those plant names and what they look like, but I still don't know what tree has what name here in Europe.

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Like, just by being an anglophone, I have all of these words filed away in my brain as "northern hemisphere tree": birch, larch, spruce, fir, oak, elm, beech, poplar, maple, chestnut, juniper, willow, lime (Linden ... not the citrus one). I can recognise oaks, chestnuts, poplars and weeping willows and that's about it. The rest, when someone tells me "That's a ______," I think "Ah, so this one is a __________" and then often forget it it. In Brisbane, I know all the common trees in suburban areas: Moreton Bay fig (Ficus macrophylla), weeping fig (Ficus benjamina), poinciana (Delonix regia), Jacaranda (Jacaranda mimosifolia), African Tulip (Spathodea campanulata), golden rain (Koelreuteria paniculata), camphor laurel (Cinnamomum camphora), leopard tree (Libidibia ferrea), Tipuana tipu, Lemon myrtle (Backhousia citriodora), macadamia (Macadamia sp.), she-oaks (Casuarina sp.), hoop pine (Araucaria cunninghamii), Norfolk Island pine (Araucaria heterophylla), bunya pine (Araucaria bidwillii), umbrella tree (Schefflera actinophylla), Alexandra palm (Archontophoenix alexandrae), queen palm (Syagrus romanzoffiana), royal palm (Roystonea regia), travellers' "palm" (Ravenala madagascariensis) mango (Mangifera indica), lillypilly (Syzigium sp.), silky "oak" (Grevillea robusta) and various wattles (Acacia sp.), bottlebrushes (Callistemon sp.), paperbarks (Melaleuca sp.) and gums (Eucalyptus sp.) that I don't know to the species level. Here in Germany I'm like "... Baum."

|əʷ-rəʷ-pe-riaʷ-tewə-tham-kɨ

3s.O-3s.A-NP-INT-leg-is-AGT

əʷ-wə-pe-weʷ-nu-umə-kəŋ

3s.O-1s.A-NP-HAB-LOC-sleep-PAT

əʷ-rəʷ-pe-maⁿ-nu-tham|

3s.O-3s.O-NP-PFV-LOC-is.

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:21 amDo I now get the prize for ‘most relative clauses and applicatives in a single sentence?

jal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:19 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:21 amDo I now get the prize for ‘most relative clauses and applicatives in a single sentence?

That depends on whether this is the normal way for you language to express things . Looks very North American to me...

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:21 am what-has-many-legs

Ndaxuunuu

1S>3P-want.PROX

tyélá

this-CL:spoken

waxeká!

NPST-MIR.WIT>UNC-DECL.AFF

Xuunúúná,

want.CONJ-and

kaxankulál

name.of.language-CL:spoken-INSTR

ndapaa

1S>3P-call.PROX

haakáá

now

xákáletexunku

many-CL:leg-COM-CL:invertebrate

ká.

PST.WIT>UNC-DECL.AFF

Travis B. wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:40 pm ʔɛ́k ŋɑ́ ʔɐglɑ́ ʔṵ nɪɟɜ́ jɑ̤n ʔṵ ʔɐwæ̀ŋ mɪtʰṵu mæ̀
1S EQU AGT-like POSS.3S ACTION-use more POSS.3S phrase APASS-join EGO
I am a fan of the massive overuse of relative clauses.

Fu

1S.COP.PROX

xáte

also

laxuunuuzoolatyayun

1P>3P-want-much-CL:spoken-SBJ.NMZ-CL:person

uká.

NPST-WIT>UNC-DECL.AFF

|sɨtni

Sydney

44

44

əʷ-rəʷ-e-yat-nu-[srachə:iɲat:kəŋ\srachīɲatkaŋ]-tham.

3s.O-3s.A-NP-today-LOC-[lung:ill:OBJ\COVID-19]-is.

nā

this

kapa-kəŋ

big-OBJ

əʷ-wi-e-riaʷ-am-krem.

3s.O-1ns.A-NP-INT-BEN-worry.

chat-ən-kəŋ

1-ORD-OBJ

tɨ-əʷ-rəʷ-sə-ꞵiⁿ-riaʷ-maⁿ-naⁿ-icə-tham|

1ns.O-3s.O-3s.A-sit/lie-PL-INT-PERF-DIST-CAUS-is.

jal wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:19 am

bradrn wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:21 amDo I now get the prize for ‘most relative clauses and applicatives in a single sentence?

That depends on whether this is the normal way for you language to express things . Looks very North American to me...

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:06 am Sitni 44 yēyatnusrāchīɲatkāŋtham. Nā kaꞵāchəŋ wīreāŋkrem. Chathaŋkəŋ tayəsaꞵinēwananīcəthām.
/ˈsitni 44 ˈjeːjatnuˌʂaːɰiːɲatˌkaːŋɹam ‖ naː kaˈβaːɰəŋ ˈwiːreˌaːŋkrəm ‖ ɰaˈɹaŋkəŋ ˈtajəˌsaβiˌneːwanaˌniːcəɹaːm/

|sɨtni

Sydney

44

44

əʷ-rəʷ-e-yat-nu-[srachə:iɲat:kəŋ\srachīɲatkaŋ]-tham.

3s.O-3s.A-NP-today-LOC-[lung:ill:OBJ\COVID-19]-is.

nā

this

kapa-kəŋ

big-OBJ

əʷ-wi-e-riaʷ-am-krem.

3s.O-1ns.A-NP-INT-BEN-worry.

chat-ən-kəŋ

1-ORD-OBJ

tɨ-əʷ-rəʷ-sə-ꞵiⁿ-riaʷ-maⁿ-naⁿ-icə-tham|

1ns.O-3s.O-3s.A-sit/lie-PL-INT-PERF-DIST-CAUS-is.

There were 44 COVID-19 cases in Sydney today. We are all very worried about this huge outbreak. The Premier has imposed a very strict lockdown.

|‘ti-krə-mpə-naⁿ-wɨye-nu-təna-tən’:

‘2ns.A-IRR-NEG-DIST-home-LOC-go-IMP’:

tɨ-əʷ-sə-ꞵiⁿ-səʷ-naⁿ-nə-icə-tham-it

1ns.O-3s.O-sit/lie-PL-CONT-DIST-MID-CAUS-is-ACT

Sɨtni

Sydney

əʷ-wi-ꞵiⁿ-tha-am-ācho|

3s.O-1ns.O-PL-INCH-BEN-ready

Imralu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:45 am Ha i li bawe, do ze he nge dyi ye mwowe wege. He nge dyi ye mwowe ya Gwedisi!
If it gets big, don't call it the third wave. Call it Gladys's wave!

|˻ɨʷ-ꞵiⁿ-wat-kɨ˼

˻PL-do-AGT˼

əʷ-iʷ-ꞵiⁿ-krə-tha-kizəm

3s.O-3ns.A-NP-IRR-INCH-say

əʷ-wə-e-riaʷ-ntisho|

3s.O-1s.A-NP-INT-think

Na i zi vwe zabawengwovyo wi wehonyogya zi we.
I saw a centipede a few weeks ago.

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:27 am Naam nibey lhiise?
/naːm ˈnibəj ˈɬiːsə/
what 2s=Q see?

Which [kind] did you see?

xxx wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:08 pm the blob has turned brown

Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:04 am ⟨Ꞵ⟩ kré khaak mà tiu'itóoun ũ aláa ũ Linak ẽe ék sí.
/⟨Ꞵ⟩ kɾɛ́ kʰɑ̄ɑk mɑ̀ tɨʔɪtóon ʔṵ ʔɐlɑ́ɑ ʔṵ lɪnɑ̄k ʔɛ̰ɛ ʔɛ́k sí/
⟨Ꞵ⟩ appear ugly INST QUALITY-write POSS.3S AGT-do POSS.3S Linux DAT 1S DIR
⟨Ꞵ⟩ looks ugly in the font on my Linux box.

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:08 am

xxx wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:08 pm the blob has turned brown

Kərēchrəŋzīnūtriŋkāŋthamiŋ?
/kəˈreːɰrəŋˌziːnuːʈiˌŋkaːŋɹaˌmiŋ/
|kə-rəʷ-e-krə-ŋəzi-[nə-utriŋ-kəŋ\nūtriŋkaŋ]-tham-ɨŋ|
2s.O-3s.A-NP-IRR-PF-[MID-draw-PAT\picture]-is-Q?

Have you got a picture?

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:08 am

Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:04 am ⟨Ꞵ⟩ kré khaak mà tiu'itóoun ũ aláa ũ Linak ẽe ék sí.
/⟨Ꞵ⟩ kɾɛ́ kʰɑ̄ɑk mɑ̀ tɨʔɪtóon ʔṵ ʔɐlɑ́ɑ ʔṵ lɪnɑ̄k ʔɛ̰ɛ ʔɛ́k sí/
⟨Ꞵ⟩ appear ugly INST QUALITY-write POSS.3S AGT-do POSS.3S Linux DAT 1S DIR
⟨Ꞵ⟩ looks ugly in the font on my Linux box.

Luyeŋay nifawetl ŋay nii ŋew?
/ˈlujəŋaj niˈfawət͡ɬ ŋaj niː ŋəw/
why 2s=say 3s COP bad?

Why do you say it looks ugly?

Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:00 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:08 am

xxx wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:08 pm the blob has turned brown

Kərēchrəŋzīnūtriŋkāŋthamiŋ?
/kəˈreːɰrəŋˌziːnuːʈiˌŋkaːŋɹaˌmiŋ/
|kə-rəʷ-e-krə-ŋəzi-[nə-utriŋ-kəŋ\nūtriŋkaŋ]-tham-ɨŋ|
2s.O-3s.A-NP-IRR-PF-[MID-draw-PAT\picture]-is-Q?

Have you got a picture?

|xxx

xxx

əʷ-wə-e-am-kizəm,

3s.O-1s.A-NP-BEN-say,

əʷ-wə-e-yu-am-yəthu|

3s.O-1s.A-NP-but-BEN-good.

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:08 am

Travis B. wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:04 am ⟨Ꞵ⟩ kré khaak mà tiu'itóoun ũ aláa ũ Linak ẽe ék sí.
/⟨Ꞵ⟩ kɾɛ́ kʰɑ̄ɑk mɑ̀ tɨʔɪtóon ʔṵ ʔɐlɑ́ɑ ʔṵ lɪnɑ̄k ʔɛ̰ɛ ʔɛ́k sí/
⟨Ꞵ⟩ appear ugly INST QUALITY-write POSS.3S AGT-do POSS.3S Linux DAT 1S DIR
⟨Ꞵ⟩ looks ugly in the font on my Linux box.

Luyeŋay nifawetl ŋay nii ŋew?
/ˈlujəŋaj niˈfawət͡ɬ ŋaj niː ŋəw/
why 2s=say 3s COP bad?

Why do you say it looks ugly?

⟨Ꞵ⟩ kré mà lòun chàu sí.
/⟨Ꞵ⟩ kɾɛ́ mɑ̀ lòn cʰɑ̀u sí/
⟨Ꞵ⟩ appear INST place wrong DIR
⟨Ꞵ⟩ looks out of place.

|ə-əʷ-e-weʷ-am-taꞵə-yəthu|

1s.O-3s.A-NP-HAB-BEN-VIS-good

bradrn wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:08 am Kərēchrəŋzīnūtriŋkāŋthamiŋ?
/kəˈreːɰrəŋˌziːnuːʈiˌŋkaːŋɹaˌmiŋ/
|kə-rəʷ-e-krə-ŋəzi-[nə-utriŋ-kəŋ\nūtriŋkaŋ]-tham-ɨŋ|
2s.O-3s.A-NP-IRR-PF-[MID-draw-PAT\picture]-is-Q?
Have you got a picture?