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anteallach wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:38 am How is the surname Nortje actually pronounced in Afrikaans? Cricket commentators are anglicising it as /nɔːˈkiːə/ or similar.

Pabappa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:29 am Miyake's idea is that proto-Japanese had a much more complicated vowel inventory than just /a i u ə/, and uses Ryukyuan languages as evidence.

By the way, whats up with yo₂? Do we believe that there really was a labialized version of /yo/? That one has been tough for me to accept.

Ser wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:10 pmThe table describes the V2 order that's common across Germanic.

Ser wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:10 pmSatsadverbial is probably a term that's particular to Swedish linguistics... Judging by the table and the examples, it sounds like it might encompass any basic adverb that can appear in that specific slot. In French grammar, only a few basic adverbs and pronouns can interrupt a compound verb (je l'ai toujours aidé, il n'a rien vu). Maybe Swedish has something similar with its satsadverbial.

Ser wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:10 pm

Why is "på Melodifestivalen" an adverbial and not a complement? It begins with a preposition, but I don't see why that matters.

"Complement clause" usually refers to a subordinate sentence that serves as an argument (subject or object) of a verb. A prepositional phrase doesn't normally count as a complement clause at all.

Meanwhile, the term "adverbial" normally includes adverbs (when used as adjuncts of time, place, manner, attitudes of the speaker towards the information, evidentiality, etc.), prepositional phrases (when they express similar things: "[relaxed] as always", "during X", "from X", "[nowhere] at all", "with utmost sincerity"...), and subordinate clauses (idem: "when I...", "because you...", "if he...", "although she...", "so that we...").

Pabappa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:28 pm https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com ... L1000_.jpg <--- "COCK Flavoured soup mix" .... its not like this is some Asian import, ...the packaging is in English and in English only. I dont get it. Why "cock" when "chicken" would do? Is there a difference? Perhaps there is, because the company seems to also sell a chicken-flavoured one, but still, it's not clear what the difference is or why they felt the need to use that word.

Pabappa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:28 pm https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com ... L1000_.jpg <--- "COCK Flavoured soup mix" .... its not like this is some Asian import, ...the packaging is in English and in English only. I dont get it. Why "cock" when "chicken" would do? Is there a difference? Perhaps there is, because the company seems to also sell a chicken-flavoured one, but still, it's not clear what the difference is or why they felt the need to use that word.

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:08 am

anteallach wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:38 am How is the surname Nortje actually pronounced in Afrikaans? Cricket commentators are anglicising it as /nɔːˈkiːə/ or similar.

Both my parents were born in South Africa and know a bit of Afrikaans, so I asked them. The consensus seems to be that it’s most probably /nortʃiə/, with /norkiə/ also a possibility. But Afrikaans orthography is ambiguous between the two pronunciations, so I won’t know which pronunciation is correct unless I manage to find a video in Afrikaans which mentions him by name.

anteallach wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:23 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:08 am

anteallach wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:38 am How is the surname Nortje actually pronounced in Afrikaans? Cricket commentators are anglicising it as /nɔːˈkiːə/ or similar.

Both my parents were born in South Africa and know a bit of Afrikaans, so I asked them. The consensus seems to be that it’s most probably /nortʃiə/, with /norkiə/ also a possibility. But Afrikaans orthography is ambiguous between the two pronunciations, so I won’t know which pronunciation is correct unless I manage to find a video in Afrikaans which mentions him by name.

Thanks!

How did Afrikaans end up with this orthographic ambiguity for <tj>?

bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:50 pmNot a clue. I know very little about Afrikaans: all I know about this particular topic is that when a word ends in the diminutive suffix ⟨-tjie⟩ (or possibly ⟨-tje⟩), it’s pronounced with /k/.

Linguoboy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:55 pm

bradrn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:50 pmNot a clue. I know very little about Afrikaans: all I know about this particular topic is that when a word ends in the diminutive suffix ⟨-tjie⟩ (or possibly ⟨-tje⟩), it’s pronounced with /k/.

I thought -tje was Dutch and -tjie was Afrikaans. But then proper names are so very often exceptions in any case.

Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:08 pm When I listen for it, examples of what I'd call flap elision are very easy to find - for instance, the person on the message on the phone for my daughter's orthodontist's office pronounces dental as [tɜ̃ːɤ̯]. Likewise, linguoboy at least observes that this is a common phenomenon in at least NAE. Yet I have not seen the least bit of reference to this phenomenon aside from what linguoboy has said. Why?

Space60 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:15 pm

Travis B. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:08 pm When I listen for it, examples of what I'd call flap elision are very easy to find - for instance, the person on the message on the phone for my daughter's orthodontist's office pronounces dental as [tɜ̃ːɤ̯]. Likewise, linguoboy at least observes that this is a common phenomenon in at least NAE. Yet I have not seen the least bit of reference to this phenomenon aside from what linguoboy has said. Why?

A question about flap elision. Is it less likely to occur in uncommon or technical words like "rhotic"? I'm guessing so, but then again I don't have flap elision in my speech.

Pabappa wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:37 pm Awesome. I've always loved Polynesian languages, especially those with no velar sounds. And a language with a small consonant inventory but yet one distinctive sound, which for me in this case is /v/, makes it even better.

The phoneme g is a voiced "non-aspirated" uvular affricate. Schooling (1981:49) says, "The term 'non-aspirated' is used to indicate that even though there is some frication, there is no breathiness."